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[Icy Magebane]

Well, the only two users of Red Lyrium we have seen so far have become mad and murderous. I don't think there's much reason to look at, the same way you wouldn't ask yourself why the Venatori are enemies (unless you want to worship the Elder One, but that's in another thread).

Exactly.  The Red Templars seem to be nothing more than a hostile faction, and unless there is a sane, non-red lyrium user in charge, I don't think it's worth questioning or examining their motives too closely.  It's like trying to analyze the Illusive Man's motives in ME3

Spoiler

after you find out that he is indoctrinated.

[Tevinter Rose]

To be honest the only people who are being zealous are atheists who cant stand having the game having an organized religion. Some even threatening to burn their games if the chantry is left standing.

Im assuming ur some sort of ambassador of this "people". Who are these "people"? Care to explain.

 

Athiests, agnostics, skeptics all have different opinions about religion, they don't all hate them just because they don't believe in it. There are also people that belong to religious minorities that don't like organized religion. I think its unfair to categorize everyone that has a different view of the Chantry or organized religion in general as hating all religions and wanting to destroy them.

[Ianamus]

You compiled a three point category, truncating people who disagree with you into caricatures, taking potshots at them in each line. Am I supposed to take this remotely seriously, or was this your poor attempt at a joke?

 

For anyone who doesn't like the Chantry of Andraste, I doubt this is going to persuade them to fall in line with your point of view.

 

I'm not truncating "people who disagree with me" because I have no strong opinions about the Chantry whatsoever.

 

I'm just noting that from my perspective the vast majority of the people running around screaming about how the pretty standard fictional religion is the spawn of satan and they will hate the game if they do not have the ability to destory it are all a bit mad. Usually about the mages, the Dalish or real-life religions. Sometimes all three. 

 

I mean the very mention that the Inqusition is a primarily Andrastian organization has led to so much raging and yelling... 

[Medhia_Nox]

@The Flying Grey Warden:  "I got Ninja-verted by the Chantry and all I got was this stupid T-Shirt"

[Asdrubael Vect]

It would very bad idea to remove the Templars, they are needed for many reasons much like mages they both have a roll to play in the world.

 

Thedas does not need them as they live without them for more than 8500 years and majority of Thedas still do not need and many do not see Templars or heard about Orlais Chantry

 

Templars for just 700 years only make things worst and worst as a Orlais Chantry

[Master Warder Z_]

Exactly.  The Red Templars seem to be nothing more than a hostile faction, and unless there is a sane, non-red lyrium user in charge, I don't think it's worth questioning or examining their motives too closely.  It's like trying to analyze the Illusive Man's motives in ME3

Spoiler

after you find out that he is indoctrinated.

 

*Bangs head into desk*

 

I am still pissed about that.

[Steelcan]

*Bangs head into desk*

 

I am still pissed about that.

so disappointing

[Master Warder Z_]

Thedas does not need them for more than 8500 years andm majority of Thedas still do not need and many do not see Templars or heard about Orlais Chantry

 

...What...

[Black Jimmy]

The Chantry needs to make a few changes, but is other very beneficial to Thedas. The Maker is a bit to passive aggressive for my tastes though.

[Spicen]

Athiests, agnostics, skeptics all have different opinions about religion, they don't all hate them just because they don't believe in it. There are also people that belong to religious minorities that don't like organized religion. I think its unfair to categorize everyone that has a different view of the Chantry or organized religion in general as hating all religions and wanting to destroy them.

But what i said was true wasnt it? If the chantry was anything but similar to church, it wudnt have gotten as much hatred. Ppl like to take their real world grudge into the game. Thats their right, afterall they did pay money. But can we not talk about destroying chantry every single day. It gets a little sick frankly.

[Senya]

Take a good look around you, if that's not sufficient make a thread and tell us Christianity is the best thing ever. Observe. You will see these "people" I'm talking about. They particularly use the internet. There is a much higher chance to meet an atheist on the internet than anywhere else.

That's insulting to decent atheists. Like my brother.

Oh, he's pro-templar too.

[Master Warder Z_]

so disappointing

 

;_; Cerberus will rise again!

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Athiests, agnostics, skeptics all have different opinions about religion, they don't all hate them just because they don't believe in it. There are also people that belong to religious minorities that don't like organized religion. I think its unfair to categorize everyone that has a different view of the Chantry or organized religion in general as hating all religions and wanting to destroy them.

 

And people in organized religion don't all share the same opinion that everyone else is a heathen and a HERETIC! HERESY! ONLY THE GOD EMPEROR SHALL RULE!!! 

[Icy Magebane]

But what i said was true wasnt it? If the chantry was anything but similar to church, it wudnt have gotten as much hatred. Ppl like to take their real world grudge into the game. Thats their right, afterall they did pay money. But can we not talk about destroying chantry every single day. It gets a little sick frankly.

Well, the topic of the thread is the Chantry, so...

[Mistic]

in Tevinter magical ability is secondary to race, elves can be imperial citizens and enjoy full rights

 

True. But let's not forget which country made the survivors from Arlathan "its new elven slave class" (WoT, p. 22) and "killed elven culture, language and history" (WoT, p. 27) to the point that not even the most scholar Dalish can know the complete form of Elvish or find out what their ancestors really believed in. No organization (especially not the Chantry, as some dare to say) has done so many despicable things against elfdom than Tevinter.

[TTTX]

Right, Because when elven marauders break from their borders and attempt invasion it's quite alright to forgive their actions.

 

When they march upon the cities of Orlais, its fine, its the Humans who are being intolerant for their need of additional territory and resources, its the humans who remembering the second blight and how the Dales sat to the side and watched the Empire crumble around them and did not lift a finger to aid them while Orlais fought against the Darkspawn.

 

Because if you look at it logically, it looks suspiciously like the Dales were merely biding their time and launched an invasion when their neighbor grew weak.

 

You wish to believe that Shartan and what he believed doesn't matter?

 

Fine, i don't agree, i think its spitting in the eye of all the elves that died for Andraste and her cause, but when you actually sit there and type out it was an unprovoked response, i think do you just ignore bits of the lore that are inconvenient to you?

The chantry did poke at the Dales first the sent people to try and convert them however they were turned away from the border then Chantry sent Templars along with the religious people and apparently shortly after that The Dales attacked and apparently later sacked the Orlais which the Chantry called an exalted march which only Orlais answered who suddenly managed to kick the elves ass. 

 

But as we know it's the victors who writes history and to be frank it's sounds a bit fishy that Orlais and chantry all of the sudden could kick the elves ass after they had managed to get so far in Orlais after all the Chantry wasn't as powerful back then.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, the topic of the thread is the Chantry, so...

 

I think we should all take a breath.

 

Stay Calm.

 

And Support Gaspard for Emperor.

[Spicen]

Well, the topic of the thread is the Chantry, so...

......lets discuss its merits rather than how fun it wud be to destroy it. The title does indicate the discussion of its merits, so...

[X Equestris]

Thedas does not need them as they live without them for more than 8500 years and majority of Thedas still do not need and many do not see Templars or heard about Orlais Chantry
 
Templars for just 700 years only make things worst and worst as a Orlais Chantry

Um...the vast majority of Thedas's population follows the Chantry based in Orlais. I think they know about it. You can't deny there are cases of abuse of power by mages. You can't deny that the role played by the Templars isn't necessary.

[Asdrubael Vect]

how long it would take when people will stop saying that people who wanted to destroy Orlais Chantry from all others Chantries of Maker(Nevarran, Anderfels, Tevinter, Rivaini) does not want to destroy it because of their believes in some **** in fade what is not exist in Thedas universe and majority of Thedas know about it

[Jedi Master of Orion]

And yet the elves invaded Orlais and sacked Montsimmard. They were marching on Val Royeaux. We don't know exactly what precipitated the conflict. Don't try to pretend that the elves are perfect. They refused to intervene in the Second Blight. They would have let the world burn because...they think humans make them age?

 

That line of reasoning doesn't really make any sense. The premise of the Quickening is that the humans changed immortal elves having mortal lifespans like they do. Contact with Humans can't make them live even shorter lives. But what can reduce their lifespan to zero is contact with darkspawn. More likely the reason is that they didn't feel the need to risk their own to help foreigners. Which is the same reason everyone else has had for not intervening in Blights.

[Spicen]

I think we should all take a breath.

Stay Calm.

And Support Gaspard for Emperor.

No i support Fereldan despite its ungrateful citizens that supported the demon(loghain) ahead of their saviour.

[Steelcan]

That line of reasoning doesn't really make any sense. The premise of the Quickening is that the humans changed immortal elves having mortal lifespans like they do. Contact with Humans can't make them live even shorter lives. But what can reduce their lifespan to zero is contact with darkspawn. More likely the reason is that they didn't feel the need to risk their own to help foreigners. Which is the same reason everyone else has had for not intervening in Blights.

when the Blight is ravaging across the entirety of Thedas its time to put aside your petty grievances

[Master Warder Z_]

That line of reasoning doesn't really make any sense. The premise of the Quickening is that the humans changed immortal elves having mortal lifespans like they do. Contact with Humans can't make them live even shorter lives. But what can reduce their lifespan to zero is contact with darkspawn. More likely the reason is that they didn't feel the need to risk their own to help foreigners. Which is the same reason everyone else has had for not intervening in Blights.

 

And given they invade right after...

 

It appears as i have said for YEARS, to just have been militant opportunism.

[Spicen]

Um...the vast majority of Thedas's population follows the Chantry based in Orlais. I think they know about it. You can't deny there are cases of abuse of power by mages. You can't deny that the role played by the Templars isn't necessary.

You cant deny the chantry stooped the original templars from exterminating all mages.