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[KainD]

And blood mages suck blood.

 

They are not vampires lol. 

[CapivaRasgor]

I believe this is a case of what people at a lower level do vs what the people at a higher level do. To judge either based on the actions of the other is an inherently lackluster comparison. How so?

 

At a lower level

 

-The OP mentions the good work the Chantry does, like educating commoners, providing for the orphans, trying to prevent abuses from higher authorities, etc. But that is done at a local level i.e: each village/city chapter decides how much effort is put in humanitarian help and charity work. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but have we ever seen any evidence that the higher tiers of the Chantry actually coordinate charity efforts throughout Thedas? I believe no, we haven't. So judging the entirety of the Chantry on a positive light light is a partial judgement.

 

-On the other hand there is the Kirkwall Chantry, which had Mother Petrice and co. doing everything in their power and then some to provoke an unnecessary confrontation with the Qunari - one that could potentially spark another world scale war - based on what? Irrational zealotry? "Defending faith"? It's also worth mentioning that they turned a blind eye to questionable means their charges were doing(both in the Qunari and in the Mages' crisis). So the entirety of the Chantry is bad because of the actions of a single chapter? Action that were commited by a even fewer members of said chapter? But hey, what about the charity work those other chapters(and liekly this one as well) of the Chantry do?

 

At a higher level, this one is a bit easier to pinpoint as it is more centralised:

 

-On one side you have the Chantry acting as a rallying banner against outside threats, like the Qunari or Tevinter. They also serve as arbiters of international disputes that - if left without a neutral ground to allow the negotiation of a compromise - would have likely resulted in a war. They also preach for the spread a philosophy that is likely the only one in Thedas that has ever had - the Chant (if they go about it in an ethical way or if they even adhere to it is not the point here). So, is it valid to assume that everyone in the Chantry is a pair goody two shoes? Not one of them is zealot or a bigot? Or ever got to the position because of personal interests and power and use said position to further those interests? Aww.. Mother Petrice feels just so enamored by this thought.

 

-On the other side, the Chantry has called various Exalted Marches based on fishy or ambiguous evidence, when not outright favoring the interests of one country *coughs* Orlais *coughs*. The bit with the elves comes to mind, Orlais would have lost if not for the Exalted March, but the Chantry called it in the first place because the elves were a threat to all of humanity or because they were scared sh*tless of them breathing down their necks? Not to mention they turned a blind eye(if not outright) to the destruction of a culture and the segregation of an already defeated nation That is without mentioning the Exalted Marches called on the time of Drakon, which helped form Orlais in the first place or when Justinia was all to happy to ponder calling an Exalted March on Kirkwall because of inconvinent proximity. So, is every priest a "mwahaha" baddie because of this? What about those who care for orphans and feed the poor, hm? And that lady who was the only one in Lothering calling a merchant on his abusive prices?

 

Also, OP, sorry if I'm reading this wrong but you also seem frustrated at people who dislike religion. They are not the only ones bringing real life stuff in their arguments.

[Master Warder Z_]

Templars suck, what's hard to understand? 

 

Mmm, They have Veterans and Novices like every other military order.

 

About the only groups that comes to mind in Thedas that strictly house experienced warriors and alike are the Seekers and Grey Wardens.

[Spicen]

Let me consult the codex of ultimate wisdom.

Yup, just as I suspected.

Lol

[KainD]

Let me consult the codex of ultimate wisdom.

Yup, just as I suspected.
 

*snip*

 

Proud one at that, hail to Slaanesh. 

[umadcommander]

I want a united Thedosian Empire...Just under Orlais, not the Qun.

ironically the qunari are likely the only ones who'd be able to hold all of thedas with their ways of keeping total control of the population (unless tevinter pulled a miracle recovery but them being fantasy byzantium....yeah) orlais would struggle with all of thedas, they couldnt even hold ferelden and they'd have the same internal problems everywhere, antiva, rivain, the anderfels all have their own way of doing things and they would soon wish to throw orlais out and this is only the nations with the same religion, whats left of tevinter and par vollen would be even harder to hold

[Sasie]

looking forward with how weak the chantry, orlais and ferelden are going to be at the end of all this id be worried about the qunari having another attempt at taking thedas, would be a shame if after everything they come in and ruin the place

This is another reason the Chantry is needed. Countries in Thedas may have diplomatic relations but there is nothing else that unites them and without the Chantry I imagine most countries will look to their own protection until it's far too late to stop the Qunari. Honestly if the Chantry falls I think the entire world is going to descend into chaos or Qunari rule.

The Chantry also seems to be the only way for people who are not noble to even get a education as well. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@KainD:  You can't even have enough self-respect to pick a proper Chaos deity... you poor thing. 

[Spicen]

They are not vampires lol.

They are worse. Fem vampires (im looking at u Serana) are hot. Blood mages are not.

[X Equestris]

Yeah and it was still a foreign city across the border. I imagine they mobilized their army to protect their own borders in case the darkspawn invaded, but since they never did the Dales did not act.

No, their army was literally outside of the city. Montsimmard is pretty close to the Dales. You would think that they might want to stop the Darkspawn short of their own territory.

[Asdrubael Vect]

This is what will happen to Tevinter soon enough.

yeah more than 1000 years Orlais and Orlais Chantry dream about it and try to do so, and there is Orlais now

 

and Tamasran of Qunari for more than 400 years just send their own population to the graves and have huge rebellion of Tal-Vashot armies who fight agains Qunari 

[KainD]

Mmm, They have Veterans and Novices like every other military order.

 

About the only groups that comes to mind in Thedas that strictly house experienced warriors and alike are the Seekers and Grey Wardens.

 

All I'm saying is that they are inferior to mages, like any mundane. 

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Proud one at that, hail to Slaanesh. 

 

Your dubstep soliders wouldn't even be able to defeat the Tau.

[KainD]

@KainD:  You can't even have enough self-respect to pick a proper Chaos deity... you poor thing. 

 

Are you kidding me? Beauty, intelligence, grace, passion, perfection, infinite ecstasy. There is but one true God worthy of worship. 

[Master Warder Z_]

they couldnt even hold ferelden

 

They did for eighty plus years.

 

The Occupation only ended because the Emperor at the time viewed the ongoing occupation as worth less then it would gain them versus it was to continue it.

 

They could have kept funneling soldiers and gold across the border for decades, they didn't.

 

Beyond that, Antiva doesn't have a military to oppose them, Orlais could win that entire nation through the purchasing of the crows and promising the merchant warlords rich trade..

 

Rivain is weak.

 

Nevarra is the only notable military obstacle.

[Mistic]

The nevarran accord was signed for show off then?

 

Not at all. But you are mistaking its objective, because it wasn't to protect mages from the Inquisition. According to Genitivi, the Inquisition believed that the Chantry offered the best solution. Let's not forget that it happened in times of chaos, when the Second Blight was devastating Thedas. The world couldn't just have two organizations that believed themselves to be true Andrastians at odds with each other because of their issues with magic.

[Master Warder Z_]

Your dubstep soliders wouldn't even be able to defeat the Tau.

 

For the Greater Good!

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Are you kidding me? Beauty, intelligence, grace, passion, perfection, infinite ecstasy. There is but one true God worthy of worship. 

 

And his name is Father Nurg- HERESY!!!

 

THE EMPEROR IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD!!!

[KainD]

Your dubstep soliders wouldn't even be able to defeat the Tau.

 

Made me chuckle a bit. 

 

Nah, but I am not a an ex space marine. I am one of the original children of Slaanesh.  

[X Equestris]

do you know that there is many versions of Chant of light and even Orlais Chantry with their the most young version despire their effors was fail to get rid of all of them...especially like  orthodox one as in Tevinter who was the first one who since Hesarian spread religion in Maker in east and after to south
 
Nevarra, Tevinter have different Chantry...and Rivain(where is majority does not believe in Maker) and Anderfels despire some of their connection with Orlais(even Tevinter was have some connection with orlais chantry before they start to do ****) one have not influenced with Orlais doctrines
 
and if some forget there is many societies like avvars, chasind, dornaki and many others who live without any templars and chantry
 
the Thedas universe, history and nature is deny that Tempalrs is or was necessery

You don't seem to understand how the Chantry works. Everywhere outside of Tevinter looks to the Chantry based in Orlais. The White/Orlesian/Andrastian Chantry are the same entity. Only Tevinter is different.

[KainD]

And his name is Father Nurgle. 

 

Nurgle is none of those things. 

[Medhia_Nox]

I don't even know why everyone worries about the Chantry.

 

When we find out the Qunari bust open the Veil over Thedas for a great "Bane from The Dark Knight Rises" cleansing of the world social experiment... then you'll see the true threat and you'll be begging for the nagging sisters to put you back in your towers.

[KainD]

You don't seem to understand how the Chantry works. Everywhere outside of Tevinter looks to the Chantry based in Orlais. The White/Orlesian/Andrastian Chantry are the same entity. Only Tevinter is different.

 

Tevinter would be so much more awesome if they weren't Andrastian. 

[dragonflight288]

You cant deny the chantry stooped the original templars from exterminating all mages.

 

Huh? That's not in any codex. It's written that the templars stopped the Chantry, specifically the Divine, from declaring an Exalted March on her own cathedral because the mages were peacefully protesting within it. 

[Asdrubael Vect]

Let me consult the codex of ultimate wisdom.

Yup, just as I suspected.
 

you forget about Emperror, Primarhs, Malcadore, navigators, space marines librarians, grey knights, high inquisitors who all psykers..damn that would be a huge list of Imperrium who cant survive without mages