About Mark of the Assassin: wasn't the sleeper agent list outdated and that the only thing that would come from it getting out was a witch hunt of innocent people?
The chantry does good work.
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#477
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:06
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About Elves and the Chantry, the Chantry is one of the nicest human-based institutions to them, going up to giving them positions of authority like Sisters and even Templars. So yes, for the Elves I believe the problems come from human nobles who own the cities rather than the Chantry.
The only elven injustice the Chantry does is they made the worship of the Elven Pantheon illegal, but hey the Dales did the same thing to Andrastrianism when they were a country.
From the Chantry's point of view, Elves are more voices to sing the Chant of Light.
#478
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:08
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From the Chantry's point of view, Elves are more voices to sing the Chant of Light.
Right after they've finished killing the ones who don't agree. Don't need those Voices.
#479
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:10
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Right after they've finished killing the ones who don't agree. Don't need those Voices.
No no no we're not going to just up and kill them! We'll grind them up into paste and use them to build super golems to help spread the holy word!
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#480
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:13
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Right after they've finished killing the ones who don't agree. Don't need those Voices.
Yeah, that must be why they killed all the Dalish Elves that didn't agree to surrender at the end of the Dales-Orlais War.
...wait a minute, they didn't do that.
From the Chantry's point of view, Elves are more voices to sing the Chant of Light.
Pretty much.
#481
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:19
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Yeah, that must be why they killed all the Dalish Elves that didn't agree to surrender at the end of the Dales-Orlais War.
...wait a minute, they didn't do that.
Because those elves ran away. The Chantry couldn't be bothered. Don't pretend they would let the Dalish stay if they remained true to their own culture.
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#482
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:19
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I don't want to start a debate about real world religion here but just want to say one thing: You realize that real world religions are ALSO mostly disliked because of legit practical reasons and not JUST because they are religions right? I've never in my life met a person that hates Buddhists for example, but plenty that dislike other religions that take the more active approach on the rest of the society.
Where do you live? I have spent time living in China, Japan and India and have met plenty of people with contemporary or historical beefs with Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Shintoism. Very few have particular thoughts on Judaism for an example. You dislike what you know and most Western societies were historically Christian.
On-Topic: This is probably also a factor in people's dislike of the Chantry, it is the organization we've spent the most time with. It would be nice in later games to spend significant time in the Dales, Tevinter and especially Par Vollen. That way we could get a better grip on how things work there outside of job-related visits and second hand accounts from others.
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#483
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Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:21
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There is no good in the realm of Dragon Age. Only groups and people with political agendas, choosing the extreme to fulfill those agendas, an always use the same excuse that the end justifies the means. An the "Chantry" is no different.
#484
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:21
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Because those elves ran away. The Chantry couldn't be bothered. Don't pretend they would let the Dalish stay if they remained true to their own culture.
The Dalish wouldn't be true to their own culture if they tolerated humans.
#485
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:23
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No no no we're not going to just up and kill them! We'll grind them up into paste and use them to build super golems to help spread the holy word!
The last thing I need is an inferior golem that cracks under pressure. This is hardly worth the effort. Not that elves are good for much else with biology itself turning against them. They were made to be exploited.
#486
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:24
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Because those elves ran away. The Chantry couldn't be bothered. Don't pretend they would let the Dalish stay if they remained true to their own culture.
There's a difference between 'letting them stay' and 'killing the ones who disagree'. You said it was the latter, which is incorrect. We only need to look at Merrill to see that, considering she is a loyal follower of the Elven Pantheon and is allowed to live in the Kirkwall Alienage for 6 years.
#487
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:29
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There's a difference between 'letting them stay' and 'killing the ones who disagree'. You said it was the latter, which is incorrect. We only need to look at Merrill to see that, considering she is a loyal follower of the Elven Pantheon and is allowed to live in the Kirkwall Alienage for 6 years.
She's also practicing blood magic in the back room. Did the Templars allow her to do that as well? For 6 years? It's probably a safe assumption that Merrill didn't tell anyone of her faith or magic in those six years.
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#488
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:30
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The Dalish wouldn't be true to their own culture if they tolerated humans.
This isn't true. Some Dalish live in peace with the Rivaini who follow the Natural Order. According to Gaider, "A few are quite benevolent and live in peace with nearby humans -- the Rivaini city of Llomerryn is known to have a semi-permanent Dalish encampment on its outskirts, and trade with the elves for their crafts is encouraged."
#489
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:31
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The last thing I need is an inferior golem that cracks under pressure. This is hardly worth the effort. Not that elves are good for much else with biology itself turning against them. They were made to be exploited.
I guess that why the boys in Amgarrak stuck to traditional building materials.
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#490
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:32
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This isn't true. Some Dalish live in peace with the Rivaini who follow the Natural Order. According to Gaider, "A few are quite benevolent and live in peace with nearby humans -- the Rivaini city of Llomerryn is known to have a semi-permanent Dalish encampment on its outskirts, and trade with the elves for their crafts is encouraged."
I think that was retconned. There is some DA2 banter between Isabela and Merrill that implied that no Dalish have yet set foot on the island of Llomerryn.
#491
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:34
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About Mark of the Assassin: wasn't the sleeper agent list outdated and that the only thing that would come from it getting out was a witch hunt of innocent people?
That's not the impression I got. I think she said it was a list of all Qunari agents in Thedas, and since it was years old, some of them had bailed. All of the rest, though, were still active sleeper agents to the Qunari, and very much deserving of a nice decapitation.
Man, the ending to that DLC was crap.
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#492
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:35
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That's not the impression I got. I think she said it was a list of all Qunari agents in Thedas, and since it was years old, some of them had bailed. All of the rest, though, were still active sleeper agents to the Qunari, and very much deserving of a nice decapitation.
Man, the ending to that DLC was crap.
^ This. The list had both active and former agents.
#493
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:38
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What's wrong with Djinns wishes?
The fact that every wish comes with a horrible and ironic twist?
#494
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:38
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She's also practicing blood magic in the back room. Did the Templars allow her to do that as well? For 6 years? It's probably a safe assumption that Merrill didn't tell anyone of her faith or magic in those six years.
She should have been hung up from a street lamp.
#495
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:39
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This isn't true. Some Dalish live in peace with the Rivaini who follow the Natural Order. According to Gaider, "A few are quite benevolent and live in peace with nearby humans -- the Rivaini city of Llomerryn is known to have a semi-permanent Dalish encampment on its outskirts, and trade with the elves for their crafts is encouraged."
And people wonder why i support completely obliterating rivain.
They aren't helping at all.
#496
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:40
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Merrill didn't tell anyone of her faith
Well, the vallasin are kind of a giveaway though.
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#497
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:41
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Well, the vallasin are kind of a giveaway though.
Indeed, but i am half convinced there was just something in the water there...
People can not be that stupid...
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#498
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:41
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And people wonder why i support completely obliterating rivain.
They aren't helping at all.
The Chantry had to have known what going on there. If anything, you need to talk to the Grand Cleric of Rivain for letting that mess happen, cause there's no way in hell Dairsmuid could have slipped under her nose.
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#499
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:42
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Well, the vallasin are kind of a giveaway though.
I suspect the Chantry is largely indifferent to the odd elf with facial tattoos.
#500
Posté 28 août 2014 - 02:42
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Indeed, but i am half convinced there was just something in the water there...
People can not be that stupid...
Kirkwall was a dumb hellhole, and leave it at that?
