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[Medhia_Nox]

@Max Breezy:  Well, let's be fair... they hurt my feelings once, so I killed their families. 

[LobselVith8]

Hum...no. Gervaise specifically mentioned she felt the elves were betrayed because they lost their homeland.

 

If we're addressing one of the elven historical accounts, then humans invading the Dales because the elves wouldn't convert lead to the loss of the Dales; it doesn't change that Gervaise phrased it as something she felt.

[Br3admax]

@Max Breezy:  Well, let's be fair... they hurt my feelings once, so I killed their families. 

Are you Dalish and a human hurt your feelings? Because if so let me go raise an army and we'll go sack their city for being ran by humans. 

 

Or are you a city elf and the Dalish hurt your feelings, because then you need to get over it you filthy, reject traitor. 

[Pierce Miller]

Don't even go there, I don't want to hear it.

With two leaders who wants the other dead, getting them to work together and not betray the other, it's going to take a small miracle.

it takes more then just a big army to win, just ask USA (Vietnam) or England (USA).

 

what other choice do they have?

 

they can rebel, but that means they die, they can work until death comes in some form or simple try to get a mage child but even that doesn't guarantee a raise in Tevinter mages in Tevinter isn't above enslaving their own.

 

 

pretty much this.

Which means only the strongest survive

[Mistic]

WoT changed it, to be more precise, as previous information mentioned other nations getting involved in the Exalted March of the Dales. Similar to how Alistair's comments about lyrium were changed post-Origins.

 

Where was it mentioned? I don't remember

[Medhia_Nox]

@Max Breezy:  I'm a City elf mage who fled to the Dalish who turned me out as a pariah!

 

OH THE FEELS!!!  Curse all my minorities! 

Kill them... KILL THEM ALL!

 

*ahem*  Sorry.  Lot's of hurt feels by all sorts of racists and ignorant mage haters. 

[TTTX]

Which means only the strongest survive

in Tevinter it's the most blood thirsty,backstabbing and power hungry A-hole who survives and actually rise in ranks.

[Medhia_Nox]

@TTTX:  But at least they're honest about it. 

[TTTX]

@TTTX:  But at least they're honest about it. 

that they are.

[Pierce Miller]

in Tevinter it's the most blood thirsty,backstabbing and power hungry A-hole who survives and actually rise in ranks.

And in real life.

[TTTX]

And in real life.

to true, which is rather sad.

[Pierce Miller]

to true, which is rather sad.

Morally yes but how else would evolution work? It's something we as people must accept even if we dislike it.

[MisterJB]

If we're addressing one of the elven historical accounts, then humans invading the Dales because the elves wouldn't convert lead to the loss of the Dales; it doesn't change that Gervaise phrased it as something she felt.

Do we really need to be reminded yet again how the elves claim the humans started it?
Seriously, it's redundant.

[LobselVith8]

Do we really need to be remembered yet again how the elves claim the humans started it?
Seriously, it's redundant.

If you needed to ask how it might've related to how Gervaise felt, then apparently it was.

[TTTX]

Morally yes but how else would evolution work? It's something we as people must accept even if we dislike it.

that's debatable and evolution isn't about the strongest, but who is the most adaptable to different environments.

 

And let's stop here since this is off topic.

[MisterJB]

If you needed to ask how it might've related to how Gervaise felt, then apparently it was.

 

I don't think you can tell us just how Gervaise felt considering she made no mention of who attacked first.

 

But hey, I can play along if you want. If the elves won't even help Orlais against the Darkspawn, then why should they have any obligation towards them?
The Dales clearly isn't an allied or even friendly nation. Then how can it be a betrayal even if Orlais had started the war?

[LobselVith8]

I don't think you can tell us just how Gervaise felt considering she made no mention of who attacked first.

 

You quoted me addressing how it "might've" related to why Gervaise felt that the elves were betrayed twice, and yet you seem to ignore what I said, since you're accusing me of something I haven't done.

 

But hey, I can play along if you want. If the elves won't even help Orlais against the Darkspawn, then why should they have any obligation towards them?

The Dales clearly isn't an allied or even friendly nation. Then how can it be a betrayal even if Orlais had started the war?

 

For someone who supposedly has an issue with redundancy, you seem to have no problem harping on the same thing repeatedly, even when a possible explanation is provided to you as to why someone might've felt the way they did about the fall of the Dales.

[MisterJB]

You quoted me addressing how it "might've" related to why Gervaise felt that the elves were betrayed twice, and yet you seem to ignore what I said, since you're accusing me of something I haven't done.

Really? I reply to someone; you decide to try to present your notion of why said someone might feel in a certain way; I simply say that you, being a different person, can't really speak for said someone and suddenly I'm accusing you of something?

 

For someone who supposedly has an issue with redundancy, you seem to have no problem harping on the same thing repeatedly, even when a possible explanation is provided to you as to why someone might've felt the way they did about the fall of the Dales.

And I thus question the "feelings" that the elves were "betrayed".

Since there were never even any cordial relations between Orlais and the Dales, how can one speak of betrayal?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Divine Retena I Did Nothing Wrong.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nah it' only acceptable to be a genocidal d-bag if you're NOT human. If you are human, it's racist, and wrong, and evil, and corrupt, and worthy of being blown up by homicidal maniacs and demons. 

 

I have seen the light! Praise the Elder One I have been saved!!!

 

Filthy evil humans! They've never done anything right! Unlike those heroic edgy Dalish!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You quoted me addressing how it "might've" related to why Gervaise felt that the elves were betrayed twice, and yet you seem to ignore what I said, since you're accusing me of something I haven't done.

 

 

For someone who supposedly has an issue with redundancy, you seem to have no problem harping on the same thing repeatedly, even when a possible explanation is provided to you as to why someone might've felt the way they did about the fall of the Dales.

 

Lob do you have your responses saved somewhere so you can easily copy and paste everything you ever post ever?

 

I know at least three of your speeches by heart now.

[Ravensword]

Orlais should just turn the Dales into a nature preserve.

[LobselVith8]

Really? I reply to someone; you decide to try to present your notion of why said someone might feel in a certain way; I simply say that you, being a different person, can't really speak for said someone and suddenly I'm accusing you of something?

 

I presented a possible explanation (and made it clear that's all it was) as to why someone might've used that language to express how she felt; I could easily be mistaken, of course, but it's never provided as anything other than a possibility.

 

And I thus question the "feelings" that the elves were "betrayed".

 

You question that someone else has a different opinion than you do about a historical event that took place in Thedas.

 

Since there were never even any cordial relations between Orlais and the Dales, how can one speak of betrayal?

 

For a multitude of reasons, which have been repeatedly addressed in multiple elven threads for quite some time.

[MisterJB]

No, not that I remember. We have certainly discussed who started it ad naseum but I don't recall the idea that the elves were "betrayed" to ever be brought into question.

They were not allies of Orlais. In fact, they, through their own volition, severed any ties of friendship they had to humanity and chose to isolate themselves.

Therefore, even if one were to accept that Orlais or the Chantry started the war, it would still not be a betrayal.

[LobselVith8]

No, not that I remember. We have certainly discussed who started it ad naseum but I don't recall the idea that the elves were "betrayed" to ever be brought into question.

They were not allies of Orlais. In fact, they, through their own volition, severed any ties of friendship they had to humanity and chose to isolate themselves.

Therefore, even if one were to accept that Orlais or the Chantry started the war, it would still not be a betrayal.

 

If one views the Dales as a gift for the elven contribution against Imperium, that's one possible explanation as to why someone might see it as a betrayal for humanity to take away their homeland. And this has certainly been brought up in the elven threads.