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[Medhia_Nox]

@Dean_The_Young:  I won't lie - my perspective on families is skewed.  But my family would have been maleficar (no, not kidding) and I would have probably, unintentionally, become demon possessed at a very young age. 

 

Being rid of my family was stablizing. 

 

I still believe however that people are willing to do ALL sorts of things to protect their family.  People would get possessed after being tricked into believing a demon could save their wife... people would resort to blood magic to protect their child... and then children, would of course, resort to all sorts of magical violence during their family feuds.

 

And - then parents would REALLY resent Templars stepping in and telling them their child is lost.

 

And forget Harrowings.

 

Just look at how modern parents treat teachers/coaches/other parents.

[Spicen]

People are talking about chantry being slavers? Am i missing sth?

Shud mages be the the slavers like they used to be? Or shud the qunari rule? Sar qamek anyone?

I think among all factions, the chantry abused their power by a small margin.

If it deserves to be destroyed, then so di the qun, stones, dwarven caste, dalish creators, etc. Chantry are the best among these guys.

[TheKomandorShepard]

People are talking about chantry being slavers? Am i missing sth?

Shud mages be the the slavers like they used to be? Or shud the qunari rule? Sar qamek anyone?

I think among all factions, the chantry abused their power by a small margin.

If it deserves to be destroyed, then so di the qun, stones, dwarven caste, dalish creators, etc. Chantry are the best among these guys.

 

Hmm qunari unlike chantry are at least effective at least i wouldn't have to clean after them if they were in charge.

[Spicen]

Hmm qunari unlike chantry are at least effective at least i wouldn't have to clean after them if they were in charge.

Hmm atleast theyll try to make yoy a walking dead man with sar qamek.

[Ynqve]

People are talking about chantry being slavers? Am i missing sth?

Shud mages be the the slavers like they used to be? Or shud the qunari rule? Sar qamek anyone?

I think among all factions, the chantry abused their power by a small margin.

If it deserves to be destroyed, then so di the qun, stones, dwarven caste, dalish creators, etc. Chantry are the best among these guys.

 

You make it sound as if just because you disagree with the Chantry, you must agree with everyone else. And it's not as if we need to choose between living under the Chantry or the Qun. That's ridiculous, it's not how it works. 

 

I really don't like the Qun, the Tevinter magocracy or the caste system. I still dislike the Chantry. Why should we have to choose between bad systems? Why not create a better one instead? The reason why we're so focused on the Chantry right now is because that's who we're going to see the most of in Inquisition. If the game took place in Tevinter for instance, that's what we would be discussing. That's just an example, please do not turn this into a I HATE TEVINTER, KILL ALL THE MAGES thread.

[Master Warder Z_]

Kill all the mages!

[Spicen]

I HATE TEVINTER, KILL ALL THE MAGES (except bethany).

[Spicen]

Kill all the mages!

This man understands. Kill them apostates. They will bow down to the herald of andraste or head will roll..

[Medhia_Nox]

@Ynqve:  If you ever managed to create a system that was not corrupted you would be the first in human history. 

 

Oh, and um... KILL THEM MAGES!

[Spicen]

@Ynqve: If you ever managed to create a system that was not corrupted you would be the first in human history.

This man understands. No, really.

[Ynqve]

@Ynqve:  If you ever managed to create a system that was not corrupted you would be the first in human history. 

 

I would rather try and fail than do nothing. And come on, all of the systems in place in Thedas are pretty bad. It's not that hard to think of something better. It doesn't have to be perfect it just need to be better. Hint: Improvement involves personal freedom and democracy while getting rid of feudalism. Shocking, I know!

[Master Warder Z_]

Hint: Improvement involves personal freedom and democracy while getting rid of feudalism. Shocking, I know!

 

Hint: Turning Thedas into the 21st Century Western Hemisphere isn't going to happen.

 

Shocking i know!

[raging_monkey]

I agree Ynqve not everybody needs kill each other

[Ynqve]

Hint: Turning Thedas into the 21st Century Western Hemisphere isn't going to happen.

 

Shocking i know!

 

You don't need to. Just push it in the right direction. More equality, more power to the people. Would that really be a bad thing? Hell, if the Chantry is as cuddly and nice as some of you seem to think, then they'll support it. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Ynqve:  Feudalism is alive and well in the corporate environment actually.

 

Do they really involve democracy and personal freedom?  Athens was a democracy - it also had slaves.  Warlords in Africa have plenty of personal freedom - and look what they're doing with it.  Feel free to roll your eyes - I'm sure that's not how you meant it. 

But two traits alone don't magically make something better just by adding them.

[Spicen]

You don't need to. Just push it in the right direction. More equality, more power to the people. Would that really be a bad thing? Hell, if the Chantry is as cuddly and nice as some of you seem to think, then they'll support it.

More equality, the disfunctional democracy, etc etc isnt gonna work in a medieval age game.

Shocking? I know.

[Tenebrae]

Improvement involves personal freedom and democracy while getting rid of feudalism. Shocking, I know!

 

King Trevelyan formerly known as the inquisitor: I am your king!

Stupid Peasant: Well, I didn't vote for you.

King Trevelyan formerly known as the inquisitor: You don't vote for kings.

Stupid Peasant: Well, 'ow did you become king then?

King Trevelyan formerly known as the inquisitor: The Lady Andraste herself, [spirts sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Vigilance from the bosom of the fade signifying by Divine Providence that I, Lord Trevelyan, was to carry Vigilance. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!

 

To the Blight with your democracy and personal freedom that right there is pure logic!...Bloody peasant.

[Spicen]

But two traits alone don't magically make something better just by adding them.

Some people want 1+1 to equal 11.

That .....is not gonna work.

[Spicen]

Lord Trevelyan: I am your king!
Stupid Peasant: Well, I didn't vote for you.
Lord Trevelyan: You don't vote for kings.
Stupid Peasant: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
Lord Trevelyan: The Lady Andraste herself, [spirts sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Vigilance from the bosom of the fade signifying by Divine Providence that I, Lord Trevelyan, was to carry Vigilance. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!

To the Blight with your democracy and personal freedom that right there is pure logic!...Bloody peasant.

This man understands.

Bloody peasant. One wonders why they even dare to talk. They shud always stare at the ground when their master is addressing them.

[Ynqve]

@Ynqve:  Feudalism is alive and well in the corporate environment actually.

 

Do they really involve democracy and personal freedom?  Athens was a democracy - it also had slaves.  Warlords in Africa have plenty of personal freedom - and look what they're doing with it.  Feel free to roll your eyes - I'm sure that's not how you meant it. 

But two traits alone don't magically magically make something better just by adding them.

 

Well if you want real world examples, look at northern Europe. Personal freedom? Check! Democracy? Check! Are there still problems? Oh yes, but it's one of the most stable regions in the world. That's amazing when you look at our extremely violent history. 

 

But it's beside the point. You are all convinced that Thedas needs to suck. I don't accept that, why should I accept that?

[Gervaise]

You might not be able to turn Thedas into 21st century but that is no reason to not try and change things.   After all Thedas would still be run by Tevinter if Andraste hadn't started her crusade.   She was trying to change things for the better and it is not her fault if the job was left only half done.    I would just like to see people who claim to follow the Chant of Light actually doing so.    Let's just say I'm trying to revive a cult of Andraste that was supressed once the Emperor of Orlais decided that his version was going to be the accepted one.   So really more a radical reformation of the Chantry, which isn't a 21st century but more a 16th century idea, which is pretty much in keeping with the rest of the set up.

[Spicen]

Well if you want real world examples, look at northern Europe. Personal freedom? Check! Democracy? Check! Are there still problems? Oh yes, but it's one of the most stable regions in the world. That's amazing when you look at our extremely violent history.

Are children prone to watching bad stuff on the net? Check. Are teens prone to drugs? Check. Do some mad people go out and kill school kids for fun? Check.

Seeding mayhem in other countries, stealing their resources, preventing other countries from advancing in bio., chem., nuclear research and having a great past of hiring black slaves to build up ur country kinda helps to keep things stable.

[wcholcombe]

1. The Codex "History of the Chantry Chapter 4" specifically says that Drakon united the city-states of Orlais through a series of Exalted Marches while building the cathedral while he was king of a single city-state. 

 

It may not be counted as an official Exalted March, but that's what that codex calls it, so that's why I used the term. It's also why I say the Chantry was founded alongside the nation of Orlais as part of Orlais, and that's why they give Orlesians preferential treatment, even getting involved in matters that have nothing to do with them, like the trade dispute between Kirkwall and Orlais. 

 

And because of this preferential treatment at an institutional level, it is my argument that the Chantry is not truly a religion for all who will convert, but an Orlesian religion that happens to believe in the Maker and will accept any convert, but will always, at the higher levels of it, always support Orlais when it has no right or reason to actually get involved. And that irks me about them. 

 

2. So the Chantry follows the 'spirit' of the law against blood magic with their templars, but the full letter of it taken to an extreme with mages and apostates?

 

Glad you agree with me on the Chantry's hypocrisy of it. It is that very hypocrisy that riles me on this particular issue. 

 

3. Okay, cool. At least you're consistent on the rights and powers of the Divine, and also cool that we seem to largely be in agreement about Lambert. 

 

This was a nice discussion. Dragonflight288 approval of clean and respectful discourse: +65

Yeah, I prefer to have discourse and discussion over repeatedly stating my beliefs as fact and ignoring whatever you present to argue it.  Which is why I don't respond to posts by people I have learned don't have discussions.

[Ynqve]

Are children prone to watching bad stuff on the net? Check. Are teens prone to drugs? Check. Do some mad people go out and kill school kids for fun? Check.

Seeing mayhem in other countries, stealing their resources, preventing other countries from advancing in bio., chem., nuclear research and having a great past of hiring black slaves to build up ur country kinda helps to keep things stable.

 

Wow, you have no idea what society is like here in northern Europe, do you? Do not lecture me on how we are. Trust me, I know all about the bad stuff our governments have done and still do. But that doesn't change the fact that we have a very high standard of living, are more equal and have it pretty darn swell compared to a lot of other regions. As I said, we have our issues. But I want to improve the system, not stand by and whine about how pointless it is.

[Spicen]

Wow, you have no idea what society is like here in northern Europe, do you? Do not lecture me on how we are. Trust me, I know all about the bad stuff our governments have done and still do. But that doesn't change the fact that we have a very high standard of living, are more equal and have it pretty darn swell compared to a lot of other regions. As I said, we have our issues. But I want to improve the system, not stand by and whine about how pointless it is.

High living standard depends. Animals have all the personal freedom in jungles. I wudnt call that high standard. I personally wudnt call a society with s. Orientation problems has high living standard. But i dont want to discuss this any further.

You feed and feed and only complain when your food is taken from you.
- Arishok.

And improve how exactly? This is a middle age game and a drastic change does seem what BW has in plan.