Maybe people shouldn't be comparing modern day locations to a place that doesn't exist, isn't even past the 13th century in terms of governance and etc.
Seriously, This isn't going to anywhere.
I mean Northern Europe is lovely, despite its rampant heroin addictions, sex slavery and what have you.
Their standard of living is so high! Which comes in handy when it comes to affording the Heroin i suppose...
This man understands. Again.Maybe people shouldn't be comparing modern day locations to a place that doesn't exist, isn't even past the 13th century in terms of governance and etc.
Seriously, This isn't going to anywhere.
I mean Northern Europe is lovely, despite its rampant heroin addictions, sex slavery and what have you.
Their standard of living is so high! Which comes in handy when it comes to affording the Heroin i suppose...
Maybe people shouldn't be comparing modern day locations to a place that doesn't exist, isn't even past the 13th century in terms of governance and etc.
Seriously, This isn't going to anywhere.
I mean Northern Europe is lovely, despite its rampant heroin addictions, sex slavery and what have you.
Their standard of living is so high! Which comes in handy when it comes to affording the Heroin i suppose...
... excuse me while i headdesk.
But yeah, let's leave the real world behind. Why can't you knuckleheads just accept that some of us want to bring a positive change? A fantasy setting is not bound to the rules of historical medieval Europe. We have mages and dragons but equality and democracy? No that's just unrealistic...
Well, not really true. At least not true if the neighbor state or the legitimate government is the Tevinter Imperium.
What? I thought I saw normal templars, not red templars
Lady Insanity thinks they are red templars I believe. She at least calls them that in her video review of enemy of thedas.
Lady Insanity thinks they are red templars I believe. She at least calls them that in her video review of enemy of thedas.
Ashe is entitled to her own opinions, however wrong they may turn out to be.
Meh, she invests more time in it then I do. Who knows.
The "good" deeds of the Chantry need to be weighed against their motivations and their "not-so-good" deeds. "I mean sure, we in-slave mages and tell them to play by the rules of our superstition that we don't even fully understand, but we give bread to the poor...so we're A-okay, right?"
I think the Chantry overall, like most factions in Thedas, tends to come out morally gray rather than black or white. They are capable of both good and evil and have examples of both throughout their history.
I think the OP is correct in that the kneejerk 'Chantry is horrible' reaction from some fans is rooted in their own views of organized religion, rather than the faction's actions in the game world. Others are just Dalish or Qunari fans who can't see beyond the Chantry being in opposition to their favorite faction. The latter is the DA equivalent of the Quarian fans who view the Geth as villains, ignoring that the Quarians were responsible for the Morning War.
If you view the Chantry without any real world or in-character biases, they really don't come off any worse (or better) than any other faction in Thedas. They've got positives and negatives, just like everyone else.
Democracy in DA world? Shuddering at the thought. The continent is divided as it is. You want democracy to divide it further? Remember what happened when there was a revolution in France? These things dont happen with our fingertips. And btw, the chantry is not 1/100th as bad as the churches were in the middle age. Thats why i support them. No change is needed. They must be rebuilt and empowered. Then the qun, tevinter, dwarves must be fixed. Thats the only change that can be envisioned..... excuse me while i headdesk.
But yeah, let's leave the real world behind. Why can't you knuckleheads just accept that some of us want to bring a positive change? A fantasy setting is not bound to the rules of historical medieval Europe. We have mages and dragons but equality and democracy? No that's just unrealistic...
Democracy in DA world? Shuddering at the thought. The continent is divided as it is. You want democracy to divide it further? Remember what happened when there was a revolution in France? These things dont happen with our fingertips. And btw, the chantry is not 1/100th as bad as the churches were in the middle age. Thats why i support them. No change is needed. They must be rebuilt and empowered. Then the qun, tevinter, dwarves must be fixed. Thats the only change that can be envisioned..
Well, that's just like your opinion. Have fun in your crapsack world.
Democracy in Thedas would look like an oligarchy.
Not that monarchy and feudalism is any different of course, just that a country in Thedas going democratic wouldn't solve all its ills. Some of the same problems would remain.
Yeah. No hard feelings. Because i know democracy is not gonna happen in this game.Well, that's just like your opinion. Have fun in your crapsack world.
Democracy in Thedas would look like an oligarchy.
Not that monarchy and feudalism is any different of course, just that a country in Thedas going democratic wouldn't solve all its ills. Some of the same problems would remain.
So basically modern day Russia then?
You have the State and then the heavily wealthy elite upper crust that dictate trade, goods and services and what have you?
Thousands of peasants outside ur castle?So basically modern day Russia then?
You have the State and then the heavily wealthy elite upper crust that dictate trade, goods and services and what have you?
Hint: Turning Thedas into the 21st Century Western Hemisphere isn't going to happen.
Shocking i know!
It's not going to happen but I also don't like to romanticize feudalism. Dragon Age and Game of Thrones are some of the few fantasy media to remember that monarchy isn't Tolkien, it's a protection racket and I appreciate that. I really liked David Gaider's first novel with the Orlaisians because it remembers that conquered territories get treated horribly because doing so makes you very-very rich.
So, as an Inquisitor, I'm going to play the "up with human/elven rights and freedom" type even if I know everyone will view me as crazy for it and it won't work.
I'm cool with a tragic attempt to do good but I don't think saying, "Mages are better off this way or Elves deserved" is a good thing either because I'm an idealist in what we could do and a cynic about what we do.
But yeah, let's leave the real world behind. Why can't you knuckleheads just accept that some of us want to bring a positive change? A fantasy setting is not bound to the rules of historical medieval Europe. We have mages and dragons but equality and democracy? No that's just unrealistic...
That right there is why equality and democracy couldn't happen in Thedas, how do envision a lower class revolution for equality ending in a world where a group of mages whether working for the nobility or being the nobility can do this:
Revolting peasants, meet demon army, i think the winner is obvious.
I think any civil revolution is destined for failure as long as there are magic/dragons and of course Darkspawn, if you have any workable realistic solutions that would work in a setting with magic and dragons and Darkspawn i would like to hear them.
P.S
Guns at the time of the french revolution were highly inferior to thedasian magic so we had a much easier time, just before anyone brings that up.
Id say it can be comparable to sth close to the 13th or 14th century. Close to discovering gunpowder perhaps?
The Qun have gunpowder since they have cannons.
Fereldan and Tevinter are probably as close to a democracy/republic as you are going to get for a while.
Fereldan and Tevinter are probably as close to a democracy/republic as you are going to get for a while.
Fereldan and Tevinter are probably as close to a democracy/republic as you are going to get for a while.
Fereldan is cool because Gaider and the others remembered England was the odd country out with Parliament. For rich landowners by rich landowners may seem like a ****y system but it was STILL an improvement over France.
And if the closest you can get to a democracy is "Merovingian Francia", you probably don't need to worry about that stuff any time soon.
To be completely honest all i knew about them before looking into them was that they were a Frankish Kingdom type deal out of Germania around like 400 AD or something and from there my knowledge is non existent until Charles the "hammer" Martel fought the moors and, they were declared Frankish kings by the Pope.
I don't like knowing only chript sheet information though.
Fereldan is more or less post-King John England in a lot of ways so I don't get that either.
I would rather try and fail than do nothing. And come on, all of the systems in place in Thedas are pretty bad. It's not that hard to think of something better. It doesn't have to be perfect it just need to be better. Hint: Improvement involves personal freedom and democracy while getting rid of feudalism. Shocking, I know!
Because that's always worked out so well in our own history without factoring in the magic and demons.
Lady Insanity thinks they are red templars I believe. She at least calls them that in her video review of enemy of thedas.
Are you saying Lady Insanity thinks the Red Templars might be a recruitable faction? I do recall the developers saying some Red Templars could be spoken to, so giving the player a choice in deciding how to handle different factions (including the Red Templars and the Chantry of Andraste) would be entertaining, and similar to one of the aspects I found quite enjoyable about New Vegas.
Because that's always worked out so well in our own history without factoring in the magic and demons.
The alternatives haven't worked out so great either.
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