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[Master Warder Z_]

Because that's always worked out so well in our own history without factoring in the magic and demons.

 

It's so nice when people say what you are thinking for you.

[Ynqve]

Because that's always worked out so well in our own history.

 

Not always. But there are good examples, there are countries who evolved into democracies  through reformation not revolution. There are societies with strong welfare, high standard of living and a lot of personal freedom. Or are you saying they don't exist? 

[Hellion Rex]

Are you saying Lady Insanity thinks the Red Templars might be a recruitable faction? I do recall the developers saying some Red Templars could be spoken to, so giving the player a choice in deciding how to handle different factions (including the Red Templars and the Chantry of Andraste) would be entertaining, and similar to one of the aspects I found quite enjoyable about New Vegas.

If I recall correctly, it might have been based on the shields they were using, which I didn't necessarily agree with.

 

But I do agree that there might be a level of diplomacy with the RT's as well as the Venatori, though I don't think any of my Inquisitors would really want to work with either, lest they surrender on bended knee.

[Shadow Fox]

Not always. But there are good examples, there are countries who evolved into democracies  through reformation not revolution. There are societies with strong welfare, high standard of living and a lot of personal freedom. Or are you saying they don't exist? 

And I'll reckon everyone of them has also had issues with corruption,racism,violence and abuse of power by authority.

[Ynqve]

And I'll reckon everyone of them has also had issues with corruption,racism,violence and abuse of power by authority.

 

When have I ever stated that I want a perfect system. I want a better system. I want to keep improving on it. There will always be issues, but you work on them. How is that hard to understand? 

[Master Warder Z_]

When have I ever stated that I want a perfect system. I want a better system. I want to keep improving on it. There will always be issues, but you work on them. How is that hard to understand? 

 

You work on issues by adapting the system, not by overhauling the system, creating massive power vacuums, anarchy and then not owning the chaos that will follow from that action.

 

Seriously its exactly what we are seeing in these middle eastern countries that have their dictators deposed.

 

The Power vacuum puts people even worse in power, and the war rages on.

[Ynqve]

You work on issues by adapting the system, not by overhauling the system, creating massive power vacuums, anarchy and then not owning the chaos that will follow from that action.

 

Seriously its exactly what we are seeing in these middle eastern countries that have their dictators deposed.

 

The Power vacuum puts people even worse in power, and the war rages on.

I want reformation. Not revolution. But I guess that's just the heroin talking. 

[Master Warder Z_]

I want reformation. Not revolution. But I guess that's just the heroin talking. 

 

And what do you think the nobility, the people who actually get something out this system will think of that?

 

Struggle, Conflict and war would occur regardless of what you wanted.

[Tevinter Rose]

I want reformation. Not revolution. But I guess that's just the heroin talking. 

 

I think the people that are equating reform with revolution have been eating way too many deep mushrooms...

[Ynqve]

And what do you think the nobility, the people who actually get something out this system will think of that?

 

Struggle, Conflict and war would occur regardless of what you wanted.

 

I'm so happy I don't share your world view. It sounds so depressing. So sad, dark and pessimistic.

[Ynqve]

I think the people that are equating reform with revolution have been eating way too many deep mushrooms...

 

But there can obviously never be a reasonable middle ground, diplomacy or peace. The world must be black and white because using our brains to come up with a stable longtime solution is hard.

[Master Warder Z_]

But there can obviously never be a reasonable middle ground, diplomacy or peace. The world must be black and white because using our brains to come up with a stable longtime solution is hard.

 

I have a stable long term solution,and diplomacy has its place in it, and it will ultimately lead to peace. To unite Thedas under a single banner, a single empire, a single culture, a single method of thought and faith.

 

And with the Chantry, i have the tool to do it.

 

Andrastism is the faith of the majority, it is the belief of the majority, it unites the people regardless of nation or creed.

 

It is the tool for the creation of the Empire that must be, but yes that is my solution.

 

In my experience, much conflict and violence stems from cultural or national difference, that flies out the window when there only is a single Nation.

 

One Banner, One people, One world.

[Ynqve]

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I have a stable long term solution,and diplomacy has its place in it, and it will ultimately lead to peace. To unite Thedas under a single banner, a single empire, a single culture, a single method of thought and faith.

 

And with the Chantry, i have the tool to do it.

 

Andrastism is the faith of the majority, it is the belief of the majority, it unites the people regardless of nation or creed.

 

It is the tool for the creation of the Empire that must be, but yes that is my solution.

 

In my experience, much conflict and violence stems from cultural or national difference, that flies out the window when there only is a single Nation.

 

One Banner, One people, One world.

 

I can't hear you over the sound of my gigantic heroin addiction!

 

And you know what your solution sounds like? Fascism. NO THANK YOU!

[Shadow Fox]

When have I ever stated that I want a perfect system. I want a better system. I want to keep improving on it. There will always be issues, but you work on them. How is that hard to understand? 

My issue isn't you wanting a better system my issue is you suggesting to completely tear down Thedas's system of government and thinking only good things can come of it.

[Master Warder Z_]

I can't hear you over the sound of my gigantic heroin addiction!

 

I come from Norway honey, i know about Northern Europe and its issues.

[Master Warder Z_]

My issue isn't you wanting a better system my issue is you suggesting to completely tear down Thedas's system of government and thinking only good things can come of it.

 

It's simply naive to me.

[Shadow Fox]

I'm so happy I don't share your world view. It sounds so depressing. So sad, dark and pessimistic.

While sad he is right.

[Hellion Rex]

I have a stable long term solution,and diplomacy has its place in it, and it will ultimately lead to peace. To unite Thedas under a single banner, a single empire, a single culture, a single method of thought and faith.

And with the Chantry, i have the tool to do it.

Andrastism is the faith of the majority, it is the belief of the majority, it unites the people regardless of nation or creed.

It is the tool for the creation of the Empire that must be, but yes that is my solution.

In my experience, much conflict and violence stems from cultural or national difference, that flies out the window when there only is a single Nation.

One Banner, One people, One world.

Hmmm. And who would rule such a nation? I know damn well no one would ever agree to a united empire in Thedas.

[Shadow Fox]

Hmmm. And who would rule such a nation? I know damn well no one would ever agree to a united empire in Thedas.

Tevinter,Orlais and the Qunari all tried and the rest of the world violently disagreed.

[Ynqve]

I come from Norway honey, i know about Northern Europe and its issues.

 

I'm not going to go into Scandinavian politics with you. But your version of Scandinavia is so far away from mine, I disagree on so many levels. And if you're from Norway, then you bloody well know that you can change your society in a more peaceful and less violent way. The dissolution of the union was a surprisingly peaceful event.

[Master Warder Z_]

Hmmm. And who would rule such a nation? I know damn well no one would ever agree to a united empire in Thedas.

 

Who? Presumably the Orlesian Emperor.

 

I think you are underestimating the pool of Faith, There is the underling them already in place. The Chantry could and would encourage the nobles of the nation to embrace the idea, and that of course is done in tandem with striking at the nation's weakest points.

 

Rivain is simply weak, according to Gaider is a bit stronger then Fereldan pre blight, Orlais could steam roll it, Antiva? It can be bought, the crows and merchant lords simply need incentive and it can fall without even a single soldier departing, I am not suggesting using the Chantry entirely for the effort.

 

But i am suggesting, it be used to the fullest effective to win over the people of the Nation, to cement the notion of uniting Thedas once and for all as empire under the belief Andraste.

 

Nevarra? A Legitimate military threat, but it has its own issues.

 

The Anderfels? I really don't think they would overly care much.

 

They don't give a fig for their king as it is, why would they care if they swore fealty to an Emperor a thousand miles away?

 

You see Thedas has this benefit over reality, it has an overlapping universal faith, the individual cultures are there, don't get me wrong, but they all for the most part submit to the same church and the same god.

 

People underestimate the power of using social common ground as a weapon, but it the key to building a new culture.

 

And this new culture will have the chantry at the heart of it.

 

Beyond that, you are quite right, no one likely ever would agree to it, but that is my method of assuring peace.

 

Obliterating the notion of self from the countries, uniting them all in belief of the Empire, of the Chantry, uniform culture, religion and belief.

 

Uniformity.

[Tenebrae]

I'm not going to go into Scandinavian politics with you. But your version of Scandinavia is so far away from mine, I disagree on so many levels. And if you're from Norway, then you bloody well know that you can change your society in a more peaceful and less violent way. The dissolution of the union was a surprisingly peaceful event.

 

It also weakened the Scandinavian countries, it gave the rest of the European powers exactly what they wanted, just like France tried to keep Germany from forming, only in your case they succeed, and changes in regim rarely happen in a peaceful manner.

 

Even more so when the ruling nobles have super powers (magic), and why would they be willing to give up their power or privilege? What is their motivation?

[Tenebrae]

Who? Presumably the Orlesian Emperor.

 

How can you say that!?

 

We should rule, screw that frenchy!

 

All kneel before Emperor glowing hand!

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm not going to go into Scandinavian politics with you. But your version of Scandinavia is so far away from mine, I disagree on so many levels. And if you're from Norway, then you bloody well know that you can change your society in a more peaceful and less violent way. The dissolution of the union was a surprisingly peaceful event.

 

I don't believe in "Scandinavia"  

 

Le'ts get that notion out of the way first.

 

I believe three separate states, that have shared some language and cultural traits, i am not a Swede nor am i a Dane, i am Norwegian. 

 

Beyond that? I could rant about the problems back home for hours, but that would drastically take this thread off the rails, and i don't feel up for explaining how being part of Nato has weakened us severely, what with us relying upon foreigners for the outfitting, training and supplying of our soldiers.

[Shadow Fox]

But there can obviously never be a reasonable middle ground, diplomacy or peace. The world must be black and white because using our brains to come up with a stable longtime solution is hard.

According to history it's neigh impossible.