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[Tenebrae]

You've stated that your character is going to be lawful evil (not in this thread, but in others). And yes, I find a totalitarian theocracy to be a vile and disgusting thing. There is no room for free thinking or debate. You need violence to enforce these restrictions and that will sooner or later lead to rebellions. It's not a good solution to anything, it's just brushing it under the rug to deal with it later. The issues are still there. But again, this is just my opinion. 

 

Totalitarian theocracy's only function as long as there is a common foe to rally against, be they Elves, Qunari or any other would be heathen, oh and as long as you keep the populace uneducated as well, after all no educated rational person wants to live under theocracy of any kind.

[Master Warder Z_]

Totalitarian theocracy's only function as long as there is a common foe to rally against, be they Elves, Qunari or any other would be heathen, oh and as long as you keep the populace uneducated as well, after all no educated rational person wants to live under theocracy of any kind.

 

There is the ageless foe: The Darkspawn.

 

I doubt they will ever disappear completely.

[Ynqve]

Totalitarian theocracy's only function as long as there is a common foe to rally against, be they Elves, Qunari or any other would be heathen, oh and as long as you keep the populace uneducated as well, after all no educated rational person wants to live under theocracy of any kind.

 

Exactly. It's not a brilliant solution to anything. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Exactly. It's not a brilliant solution to anything. 

 

It's a brilliant solution for how to manage the idiots of Thedas and keep them from killing each other when they need to be killing other things.

 

Gaspard has a point with that, their armies would be better served killing Fereldans then their own Mages or Templars.

[umadcommander]

As I said, it's a difficult and slow process. I'm counting on a few setbacks and heavy opposition. I don't expect the change to be complete, but I can lay the foundation. 

 

Honestly, I think allying yourself with the mages and elves are a great way of boosting your defenses against both the Imperium and the Qun. The Dalish are badasses, and mages are well... Mages. 

the dalish are good hit and run fighters and the mages are a good form of artillery, however alone they cant win open battles or they'd both have their own lands by now

 

also any magical advantage would be negated againt tevinter as their magical knowledge far outweighs everyone elses

[umadcommander]

It's a brilliant solution for how to manage the idiots of Thedas and keep them from killing each other when they need to be killing other things.

 

Gaspard has a point with that, their armies would be better served killing Fereldans then their own Mages or Templars.

and both orlais and ferelden would be better served killing qunari than tearing into each other again

[Ynqve]

the dalish are good hit and run fighters and the mages are a good form of artillery, however alone they cant win open battles or they'd both have their own lands by now

 

also any magical advantage would be negated againt tevinter as their magical knowledge far outways everyone elses

 

I agree, but you'll have the strength of the Inquisition and hopefully both Ferelden and Orlais as well. It's hard to tell when you have no idea how things will turn out in Inquisition, maybe Orlais will be completely gone. Maybe the Chantry will establish a theocracy? We just don't know.

[Tenebrae]

As I said, it's a difficult and slow process. I'm counting on a few setbacks and heavy opposition. I don't expect the change to be complete, but I can lay the foundation. 

 

Honestly, I think allying yourself with the mages and elves are a great way of boosting your defenses against both the Imperium and the Qun. The Dalish are badasses, and mages are well... Mages. 

 

Laying the foundations may be doable, but there is a good chance that it could go the way of Aldenon the Wise, but then again nothing is certain.

 

I wonder how well would a non-autocratic Theads will deal with the Blight+Darkspawn, if we look at our world then not well at all, if there is one thing democracy’s are good at is doing nothing until the problem hits you in the face.

[Master Warder Z_]

and both orlais and ferelden would be better served killing qunari than tearing into each other again

 

I'd agree with you there.

[Ynqve]

Laying the foundations may be doable, but there is a good chance that it could go the way of Aldenon the Wise, but then again nothing is certain.

 

I wonder how well would a non-autocratic Theads deal with the Blight+Darkspawn, if we look at our world then not well at all, if there is one thing democracy’s are good at is doing nothing until the problem hits you in the face.

 

I say it's worth a shot At least you've tried and failed. That's way better than doing nothing.

[Tevinter Rose]

The Dalish and Magi boons were either dead in the water or didn't last a decade,a non Elven Warden bann is either murdered or leaves the alienage in disgust and if Anora's on the throne she puts her boot down on it regardless of who's ruling it and that was just Ferelden,

 

If the "good guys" couldn't even embrace the basic concepts of democracy what makes you think the rest of Thedas will?

 

I believe the "good guys" couldn't embrace democracy because the story at the time wouldn't allow it. Since everything is crumbling now and we'll be able to wield great power and influence with the Inquisition and literally be the only person to save Thedas, I personally don't see how a diplomatic resolution will be impossible. I don't think a true democracy will translate properly to a magical setting with different norms and rules than Earth, but I do believe that we can make it a less hostile and more equal setting depending on our actions.  

[Tenebrae]

There is the ageless foe: The Darkspawn.

 

I doubt they will ever disappear completely.

 

Well yes there are the Darkspawn, but after a few fruitless Exalted marches into the deep roads where most of your army becomes blighted and you gain nothing in the realm of conquest they would lose their appeal for the majority of the populace.

 

The Qunari or the Imperium are  better targets, all you have to do is make sure to not destroy them, then you can fight them again and again, and unlike a war or a march against the darkspawn you stand to gain plunder, glory and land.

 

So if the Spawn are your main focus, your system won’t last long.

[Master Warder Z_]

I say it's worth a shot At least you've tried and failed. That's way better than doing nothing.

 

I agree, its why i am not going to be doing nothing; I am going to ensure the world goes back to how it was.

 

Or if possible, maybe make a few slight improvements here or there...

 

After all that's the job of the Inquisition, save the world from the threat of the fade.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well yes there are the Darkspawn, but after a fruitless Exalted marches into the deep roads where most of your army becomes blighted and you gain nothing in the realm of conquest they would lose their appeal for the majority of the populace.

 

You see that's not the purpose, i wouldn't push for their destruction oh no.

 

I would be endearing the Thedosian System with the Dwarves, we become more then just their life line and economic strength, we become their allies against the darkspawn, it also aids in detecting when a blight is going, given that if Humanity maintains at least a token presence with the dwarven forces, we would be well informed.

 

It also grants the benifit of their not being quite so many of the things during Blights, Perhaps they could push the Darkspawn back a bit, force them to give.

 

But ultimately success on the field, is not the objective there, its to ensure the survival of the Dwarves.

 

Beyond that? The Qunari are too dangerous to let linger, them i would destroy, but Tevinter?

 

Oh no, they can be like the Communists of the late 80s.

 

Crumbling mess behind closed doors, but the reviled enemies of Thedas.

[Tenebrae]

I say it's worth a shot At least you've tried and failed. That's way better than doing nothing.

 

Agreed, passivity leads to nothing and achieves nothing.

 

Fortes fortuna iuvat.

[Master Warder Z_]

sic transit gloria mundi

[Willowhugger]

The problem is it seems a lot of people are under estimating just how hard it is to make lasting changes especially in a setting were the idea of basic human rights are a foreign concept.

I think the games have done a good job of showing it.

 

We install a Bann Elf, she gets stabbed to death in the epilogue.

We've also got three games of building to the Mage-Templar War.

[Tenebrae]

You see that's not the purpose, i wouldn't push for their destruction oh no.

 

I would be endearing the Thedosian System with the Dwarves, we become more then just their life line and economic strength, we become their allies against the darkspawn, it also aids in detecting when a blight is going, given that if Humanity maintains at least a token presence with the dwarven forces, we would be well informed.

 

It also grants the benifit of their not being quite so many of the things during Blights, Perhaps they could push the Darkspawn back a bit, force them to give.

 

But ultimately success on the field, is not the objective there, its to ensure the survival of the Dwarves.

 

Beyond that? The Qunari are too dangerous to let linger, them i would destroy, but Tevinter?

 

Oh no, they can be like the Communists of the late 80s.

 

Crumbling mess behind closed doors, but the reviled enemies of Thedas.

 

That could work, eliminate the most immediate threat, and create a bulwark/satellite state against the Darkspawn and a magical boogeymen to keep the populace at focused and at bay, and in that world the only one who can see the truth of it all is you.

 

How very pragmatic.

 

In regno caecos luscum reges.

[Willowhugger]

My general idea is the Circles should be allowed to be autonomous city-states.

 

To be part of a Circle means you can't be a citizen of the Realm your circle lives in.

Or the Circles are subordinate to their nations but have self-rule.

[Master Warder Z_]

That could work, eliminate the most immediate threat, and create a bulwark/satellite state against the Darkspawn and a magical boogeymen to keep the populace at focused and at bay, and in that world the only one who can see the truth of it all is you.

 

How very pragmatic.

 

In regno caecos luscum reges.

 

I do my best

[Ravensword]

What happened if the Dales became populated w/ wyverns b/c the assbag nobles decided to introduce them in the area to hunt them, but quickly became an invasive species that started terrifying the countryside like Daenerys's intractable dragons?

[Steelcan]

What happened if the Dales became populated w/ wyverns b/c the assbag nobles decided to introduce them in the area to hunt them, but quickly became an invasive species that started terrifying the countryside like Daenerys's intractable dragons?

then nothing of importance will be lost

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

then nothing of importance will be lost

 

Scout: Inquisitor! the demons are attacking the Dalish!

Inquisitor: Why are you telling me this?

Scout: You said to tell you if any people of note were under attack!

Inquisitpr:........

[dragonflight288]

"Change is coming to the world. There are some (even in this forum) who resist change, and they'll fight it withe very fiber of their being. But sometimes change is what they need most."

 

"All it takes for evil men to win is for good men doing nothing."

 

"Societies and cultures always move. Either forward to order, be it in the form of freedom and liberty, or in the form of oppression and oligarchy, or they move backwards towards anarchy and chaos. They are never stagnant. And if they do not move towards order, they will inevitably fall to chaos."

 

"Every situation has a list of responses of varying extremes. One must find the Golden Mean between those extremes to find the optimal outcome."

 

****

 

Let's face it, the status quo of the Chantry run circle systems have failed. The status quo in Orlais has failed. The status quo among the templars and the seekers have failed. And evil men move forward with their own designs. 

 

There is no harmony, there is chaos.

There is no peace, there is panic. 

There is no tranquility, there are pissed off mages.

There is no lawful court, there are armies and warlords. 

There is no Fade, there is the Breach. 

 

[Steelcan]

the Circle hasn't failed, its being put through its greatest test