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#951
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I have a stable long term solution,and diplomacy has its place in it, and it will ultimately lead to peace. To unite Thedas under a single banner, a single empire, a single culture, a single method of thought and faith.

And with the Chantry, i have the tool to do it.

Andrastism is the faith of the majority, it is the belief of the majority, it unites the people regardless of nation or creed.

It is the tool for the creation of the Empire that must be, but yes that is my solution.

In my experience, much conflict and violence stems from cultural or national difference, that flies out the window when there only is a single Nation.

One Banner, One people, One world.


You sound like Illuminati. One world government. New world order.

#952
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Uldred didn't summon a pride demon, he became one, which isn't surprising considering he had an ego. Also Jowan practiced what he had learned from those books in the tower it was the reason why he was seen by the templars + no system is perfect (If you ever think any system is perfect then you are pretty much an idiot) if there were we would all be living in paradise on Earth by now. 

 

He summoned pride demon... but he couldn't control him and demon possessed him nial said he was trying summon demon but then demon overwhelmed him and then we have abomnation.Prefect system is 1 system where mages can ridiculously easy learn blood magic isn't perfect not it is good system it is pathetic system.Pretty much legions of blood mages and frequency of disasters caused by mages show that current system limps in term of controling mages.



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It's a brilliant solution for how to manage the idiots of Thedas and keep them from killing each other when they need to be killing other things.

Gaspard has a point with that, their armies would be better served killing Fereldans then their own Mages or Templars.


This.

What are you doing in Norway? The middle east needs ppl like u.

#954
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Plus i support the new disciple darkspawn. I wish BW devs cud make them untainted. Then hopefully we cud play as a darkspawn in DA 4

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True fact: The First Crusade was an attempt by the Pope to get European Christians to stop killing each other. Jerusalem and its retaking was just an excuse. He hoped it would unite them.

Yeah, not happening.



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He summoned pride demon... but he couldn't control him and demon possessed him nial said he was trying summon demon but then demon overwhelmed him and then we have abomnation.Prefect system is 1 system where mages can ridiculously easy learn blood magic isn't perfect not it is good system it is pathetic system.Pretty much legions of blood mages and frequency of disasters caused by mages show that current system limps in term of controling mages.

actually Nial never says it was pride demon, he just says Uldered was overwhelmed by demons who could just have put their master inside Uldered.

 

The circle needs the theoretical knowledge of bloodmagic in order to create Gray Wardens, you know the people who has to save the world from time to time, also the circle isn't really about controlling mages it's more protecting the common from mages and vice versa and teach mages so they have a lesser of a chance into turning into an abomination + it's better to keep mages in one place if they fall because the Templars is right there when the mages are not in the circle well you hear about situations like Meredith's sister. Those disasters you are so fun of mentioning would be a whole lot higher if the circle didn't exist despite what you believe.

 

 

True fact: The First Crusade was an attempt by the Pope to get European Christians to stop killing each other. Jerusalem and its retaking was just an excuse. He hoped it would unite them.

Yeah, not happening.

The pope promised a lot during the first crusade while having his own agenda.


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actually Nial never says it was pride demon, he just says Uldered was overwhelmed by demons who could just have put their master inside Uldered.

 

The circle needs the theoretical knowledge of bloodmagic in order to create Gray Wardens, you know the people who has to save the world from time to time, also the circle isn't really about controlling mages it's more protecting the common from mages and vice versa and teach mages so they have a lesser of a chance into turning into an abomination + it's better to keep mages in one place if they fall because the Templars is right there when the mages are not in the circle well you hear about situations like Meredith's sister. Those disasters you are so fun of mentioning would be a whole lot higher if the circle didn't exist despite what you believe.

 

 

The pope promised a lot during the first crusade while having his own agenda.

If demon see victim he possesses victim himself not give it to another demon once demon is abomnation then demon creates more abomnations.

 

No it doesn't there are mages in grey wardens for a reason... you could as well give machine guns on every street so peoples could help police good luck with that working... here worked as well as we seen...

 

It is it should protect non-mages from mages and prevent them from rampages it does s**** work with that it is like saying that going from very high crime status to high crime status is good and fine no low crime status is good not to mention that "crime" in that case is disastrous...



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Mages wanted autonomy, not total freedom. There is a huge difference. Chantry needs to leash its pets better from now on, after the mess is fixed. We don't need more Lamberts. So no the chantry does no good work.

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While i've always agreed that mages are dangerous. Treating as sub-human is wrong and only leads to the same dilemma.

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Mages wanted autonomy, not total freedom. There is a huge difference. Chantry needs to leash its pets better from now on, after the mess is fixed. We don't need more Lamberts. So no the chantry does no good work.

Yes because giving power power hungry and insane mages is good solution just see what orsino did even under strict meredith and in ferelden circle many mages were secretly studying blood magic.Im sure it will go well.

 

As far peoples like lamberts work well against mages and naive peoples like thrask very badly...



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Yes because giving power power hungry and insane mages is good solution just see what orsino did even under strict meredith and in ferelden circle many mages were secretly studying blood magic.Im sure it will go well.
 
As far peoples like lamberts work well against mages and naive peoples like thrask very badly...


No its tyranny. Fiona asked for autonomy in a diplomatic way, in response Lambert disbanded college of enchanters. All tyrants fall eventually, history has proven this. I'm not even sure you know what "autonomy" means, its not giving more "power", its ruling yourself and in mages' case still confined within circles.
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#962
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No its tyranny. Fiona asked for autonomy in a diplomatic way, in response Lambert disbanded college of enchanters. All tyrants fall eventually, history has proven this. I'm not even sure you know what "autonomy" means, its not giving more "power", its ruling yourself and in mages' case still confined within circles.

Yes i know what it is and that was what i was referred and yes it means more freedom and power for mages and by that they can easier slip away with things like orsino and uldred were doing even irving admited things would be different if circle had authonomy.And no fiona enforced subject when it shouldn't be about that.Nah if tyranny is directed toward majority perhaps if tyranny is toward tiny minority well i doubt that if things are done properly



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Tyranny is still tyranny even if its directed to a minority my friends. Should there be restraint on magi yes should they be given more self rule also yes. Unilateralism isnt always the answer

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Tyranny is still tyranny even if its directed to a minority my friends. Should there be restraint on magi yes should they be given more self rule also yes. Unilateralism isnt always the answer

So what? Your society put criminals in prisons so they didn't cause mess same for mentally ill now trun their scale of danger a lot and we have mages.As i said autonomy will lead to even larger corruption in circles what is already huge problem pretty much they need to be controlled even more and better than now not less.



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So what? Your society put criminals in prisons so they didn't cause mess same for mentally ill now trun their scale of danger a lot and we have mages.As i said autonomy will lead to even larger corruption in circles what is already huge problem pretty much they need to be controlled even more and better than now not less.


On the contrary, countries with better prisons have better rehabilitation rates and lesser criminals in general, Netherlands and Scandinavia are shining proofs.

Autonomy means Mages will run themselves, they will sell enchantments and magical services and build circles however they like with their own money. Templars are just there to protect the circle and keep mages confined. For example if mages decide to have a dance party, Templars have no say in it as long as mages are confined.

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Tightening the leash will work for a time but soon the cycle will start over again. Im not saying that mages need to have full freedom(circles are a must aswell as templars) but treating people like criminals arbitrarly without due process add even more problems
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If demon see victim he possesses victim himself not give it to another demon once demon is abomnation then demon creates more abomnations.

 

No it doesn't there are mages in grey wardens for a reason... you could as well give machine guns on every street so peoples could help police good luck with that working... here worked as well as we seen...

 

It is it should protect non-mages from mages and prevent them from rampages it does s**** work with that it is like saying that going from very high crime status to high crime status is good and fine no low crime status is good not to mention that "crime" in that case is disastrous...

We still have no proof that Uldered was the one who summoned the pride demon, it could have been one of his allies for all we know.

 

Gray Wardens also travel a lot and their numbers aren't as great as they once was the Circle is always there with mages in it (at least it was) also where do you think the Gray wardens get most of their mages from?

 

The circle in Ferelden was isolated in the middle of a lake and what harm that happened only happened to the circle, What happened in Kirkwall were Meredith and Anders fault. Situations like say Conner is rare, even situations like what happened Ferelden and Kirkwall are also very rare Ferelden had a blight and Kirwall are special place.

 

 

Yes because giving power power hungry and insane mages is good solution just see what orsino did even under strict meredith and in ferelden circle many mages were secretly studying blood magic.Im sure it will go well.

 

As far peoples like lamberts work well against mages and naive peoples like thrask very badly...

Lambert was Lord Seeker who failed to pick up what Meredith misused her power in Kirkwall which is his primary mission is to make Templars doesn't misuse their power.

 

You seem to forget Lambert wasn't/isn't a Templar, he would most likely be a good templar, but as Seeker he sucks.. 


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On the contrary, countries with better prisons have better rehabilitation rates and lesser criminals in general, Netherlands and Scandinavia are shining proofs.

Autonomy means Mages will run themselves, they will sell enchantments and magical services and build circles however they like with their own money. Templars are just there to protect the circle and keep mages confined. For example if mages decide to have a dance party, Templars have no say in it as long as mages are confined.

Yes because mages have kings standarts and we saw how nice it worked blood mage on blood mage and constant disasters.

 

And pretty much what i said mage have more power and more freedom and by that even greater chance to get away with things like orsino and many other mages.

 

 

Tightening the leash will work for a time but soon the cycle will start over again. Im not saying that mages need to have full freedom(circles are a must aswell as templars) but treating people like criminals arbitrarly without due process add even more problems

You have to treat mages like criminals as you lock them anyway unless you want free them but as you said you don't.It wouldn't if circles were effective in controling mages sadly they aren't mages have far more freedom and privileges than criminals in prisons even in our times.So yeah threating them like criminals and proper security measures appropriate to danger that mages are would work sadly it isn't in case mages have too much freedom and power and because that they become corrupted.

 

 

We still have no proof that Uldered was the one who summoned the pride demon, it could have been one of his allies for all we know.

 

Gray Wardens also travel a lot and their numbers aren't as great as they once was the Circle is always there with mages in it (at least it was) also where do you think the Gray wardens get most of their mages from?

 

The circle in Ferelden was isolated in the middle of a lake and what harm that happened only happened to the circle, What happened in Kirkwall were Meredith and Anders fault. Situations like say Conner is rare, even situations like what happened Ferelden and Kirkwall are also very rare Ferelden had a blight and Kirwall are special place.

 

 

Lambert was Lord Seeker who failed to pick up what Meredith misused her power in Kirkwall which is his primary mission is to make Templars doesn't misuse their power.

 

You seem to forget Lambert wasn't/isn't a Templar, he would most likely be a good templar, but as Seeker he sucks.. 

 

He summoned demon so well figure youreslf and pretty much doesn't change point i was talking about.

 

They have wardens that perform certain positions from everywhere apostates and circle mages they recruit blood mages as well pretty sure they don't train mages to be blood mages in circle and say "oh boy you will be grey warden i predict so i will teach you blood magic"... So no blood magic isn't circle thing it is grey warden thing...

 

I don't know for example uldred was gathering army of abomnations pretty much hefty could happen if not the warden.Not rly most blood mages were power hungry but of course lets blame templars even quentin was templar fault well because they are templar it is always their fault... I rly grow tired to pro-mages talking that disasters caused by mages are rare when practically we could sink in the examples of them causing it.

 

And the warden and alistair were guys who broke neutrality rule and yet that was sane thing to do being lawful stupid hardly is smart way meredith practically didn't anything bad outside upseting some nobles because they wanted power she used seat to bring order and that was her goal as well templars to control mages and ensure safety. 

 

Seekers are pretty much templars in all but name but pretty much even before lamber took seat all they did is hunting mages and protecting chantry from conspiracy. :whistle:  



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In my first playthrough i was pro mage, bcoz i thought it was the right thing to do. But then Grace happened. I still dont support Meredith's coup. I hate coups by default.

But letting them get separated from templars? Maybe to an extent. But from chantry? No way jose. The chantry needs to be rebuilt and empowered to give it the power it needs to deal with rogue mages. At the same time the power of templars must be reduced.

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In my first playthrough i was pro mage, bcoz i thought it was the right thing to do. But then Grace happened. I still dont support Meredith's coup. I hate coups by default.
But letting them get separated from templars? Maybe to an extent. But from chantry? No way jose. The chantry needs to be rebuilt and empowered to give it the power it needs to deal with rogue mages. At the same time the power of templars must be reduced.


Neither needs power. Let the power stay where it belongs, the country itself. Rogue factions are always bad.

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You sound like Illuminati. One world government. New world order.

 

And that would be bad why?

 

Humans need direction as much in our world as much as they do in Thedas.



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And that would be bad why?

 

Humans need direction as much in our world as much as they do in Thedas.

Well qunari work best for that. :P



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Neither needs power. Let the power stay where it belongs, the country itself. Rogue factions are always bad.

but what if the country starts building up their mages as a nuclear deterrant, we go back to TKS's fear of magi

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Well qunari work best for that. :P

 

The Qunari are abominations, Humanity is simply better then them.



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but what if the country starts building up their mages as a nuclear deterrant, we go back to TKS's fear of magi

 

That's the reason the circle exists you realize?

 

To prevent a magical arms build up around Thedas.

 

Well one of the reasons anyway.