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#976
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And that would be bad why?
 
Humans need direction as much in our world as much as they do in Thedas.


I'm originally Swiss and I'll take you to the court for this opinion. Maybe your governments are "in need of direction". We are doing totally fine, in fact we never had a change of government since our existence.

Pfft, we don't need human version of the Qun.
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The Qunari are abominations, Humanity is simply better then them.

I would argue pretty much qunari are better in almost every way. :whistle:



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I'm originally Swiss and I'll take you to the court for this opinion. Maybe your governments are "in need of direction". We are doing totally fine, in fact we never had a change of government since our existence.

Pfft, we don't need human version of the Qun.

 

I store my offshore accounts in Hong Kong, cheaper transfer rates and the return rate is better then Switzerland or the Cayman Islands.

 

Beyond that, i don't give a fig about the swiss other then they are too greedy to take my money without gouging me ridiculously for it.



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but what if the country starts building up their mages as a nuclear deterrant, we go back to TKS's fear of magi


That happens regularly in the real world too. We cannot remove the black sheep permanently. At least when its a country we know who we are dealing with. State separated from any sort of religion is the only way to go. Back when our world was like Thedas, Italian states really flourished, because they separated religion and its rules from their country rules. They traded with Orthodox countries and Muslims as Catholic and defied many other things. Whatever religion is good for, its bad for politics and business.

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I would argue pretty much qunari are better in almost every way. :whistle:

 

Mmm, given they are inferior vermin it wouldn't make much sense.

 

Their ideology is warped, their view is flawed and their people lack cookies.



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Mmm, given they are inferior vermin it wouldn't make much sense.

 

Their ideology is warped, their view is flawed and their people lack cookies.

Ok... :mellow:



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And that would be bad why?

Humans need direction as much in our world as much as they do in Thedas.


I didnt exactly say it was bad...
.. Just that u sounded like them. Nit bad. Just a bit creepy.

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I store my offshore accounts in Hong Kong, cheaper transfer rates and the return rate is better then Switzerland or the Cayman Islands.
 
Beyond that, i don't give a fig about the swiss other then they are too greedy to take my money without gouging me ridiculously for it.


Lel, we are so rich we don't need your money. If you want us to keep your money you need to pay us tax because once you deposit your money in our banks no power can take it away.

But this is irrelevant. I didn't mean economy. Swiss Confederation has four branches. Three are obvious, German, Italian and French. But the 4th one which is less known is Romansh. Roughly 100000 people, they have the same say in politics with Germans who are like 50% of the country. 3 votes are needed or it wont happen. So these 100k people have as much as say as any other people because its their country too. The country is ruled by everyone not just a single doctrine. I really don't make real life examples in general, but I just wanted to say the a single doctrine rule has never worked before. It just can't, people are different. You think an Antivan and Orlesian think alike? Madness.

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Mmm, given they are inferior vermin it wouldn't make much sense.

Their ideology is warped, their view is flawed and their people lack cookies.


Actually if you mix divinity/religion with qunari(the ideology) efficiency, you have a really powerful state.

And sar qamek helps to bloody revolts in check.

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Lel, we are so rich we don't need your money. If you want us to keep your money you need to pay us tax because once you deposit your money in our banks no power can take it away.

But this is irrelevant. I didn't mean economy. Swiss Confederation has four branches. Three are obvious, German, Italian and French. But the 4th one which is less known is Romansh. Roughly 100000 people, they have the same say in politics with Germans who are like 50% of the country. 3 votes are needed or it wont happen. So these 100k people have as much as say as any other people because its their country too. The country is ruled by everyone not just a single doctrine. I really don't make real life examples in general, but I just wanted to say the a single doctrine rule has never worked before. It just can't, people are different. You think an Antivan and Orlesian think alike? Madness.

I think this is going out of topic. Anyway dont the biggest criminal tycoons keep their money in swiss bank. Theres nothing to be proud of that.

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I would argue pretty much qunari are better in almost every way. :whistle:


Well to an extent. The worst thing about them is that they cant really change their lives much. Just imagine, if u were in the qun and were given the role of wiping floors without question, wud u like it?

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Lel, we are so rich we don't need your money.

 

Uh-huh

 

 

If you want us to keep your money you need to pay us tax because once you deposit your money in our banks no power can take it away.

 

Uh-huh, when was the last time you heard of a Bank in Hong Kong having assets seized?

 

That's right! You haven't! Because once it became a part of the people's republic back in 97 and ever since then foreign commerce and monetary law doesn't mean much, it isn't like when the Brits were running everything into the ground and only sheiks could afford to invest in China.

 

Beyond that, when was the last time you heard of a Nation, ANY nation on this earth speak seriously of endangering their relations with the chinese.

 

The world doesn't need the Swiss to be their cash box anymore, that might have flown for my grand parents and alike when they were running off with the loot of europe and all back during the collapse, but its a new generation with new players and rules.

 

 

but I just wanted to say the a single doctrine rule has never worked before. It just can't, people are different. 

 

Out of all that this is the only thing i will respond to.

 

That is why you make people uniform, standardize the human race.

 

Hence the notion of a one nation world, a one culture people, one people.

 

Uniformity.

 

Systems fail because they try to compensate for all the moving bits and cogs, i find it a far simpler solution to just level the playing field down.

 

Antivans, Fereldans, Ultimately they would be the same, they would speak the same language, worship the same god, tithe to the same empire, be ruled by the same Emperor, use the same currency, and beyond that?

 

They would be similar down to the atom on the cultural level.

 

Unforunately Thedas like reality lacks the means to standardize the human race through technology but it does possess something to stand in for it.

 

Faith: Universal Andrastianism.



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Remember Varric is telling the story and he is known for you know over do it + there are a difference between gameplay and the actually story after all if that many demons had been summon it would have torn the veil in Kirkwall.

The number is irrelevant. The important fact is that, should you side with the Templars, you will fight Circle mages using blood magic and sucessfully controlling demons. This is impossible to learn in half a night. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that many mages within the Circle were learning blood magic in secret.

Since Orsino is the First Enchanter; which means he had to know what was happening or he would be a terrible one; with known ties to blood mages and the knowledge to perform a ridiculously complex blood spell, it isalso logical to conclude that he was teaching blood magic.


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I think this is going out of topic. Anyway dont the biggest criminal tycoons keep their money in swiss bank. Theres nothing to be proud of that.


I did say I didn't mean the economy right? I was purely talking about its politics and how the government is ruled. But if you insist to know, its a contract. Criminals who have account there created them long before they became criminals. Once the contract is signed no power can remove the money from the bank unless its stolen from a government itself as Federal security overrules the contract. Otherwise its impossible to remove the money, doing so is an official offense against Switzerland.

So sadly druglords and other sort of criminals can have completely safe accounts in Switzerland, unless they steal money from the government. And I wasn't proud of it.

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i think the chantry has too much power especially in politics



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Out of all that this is the only thing i will respond to.
 
That is why you make people uniform, standardize the human race.
 
Hence the notion of a one nation world, a one culture people, one people.
 
Uniformity.
 
Systems fail because they try to compensate for all the moving bits and cogs, i find it a far simpler solution to just level the playing field down.
 
Antivans, Fereldans, Ultimately they would be the same, they would speak the same language, worship the same god, tithe to the same empire, be ruled by the same Emperor, use the same currency, and beyond that?
 
They would be similar down to the atom on the cultural level.
 
Unforunately Thedas like reality lacks the means to standardize the human race through technology but it does possess something to stand in for it.
 
Faith: Universal Andrastianism.


Lets just stop with real life examples. All I wanted to say initially was the fact that the Swiss government works and its NOT uniformity, its mutual alliances of different people.

Also as if our world has any means to unite itself under same doctrine, religion etc... Unless aliens attack or something the world will never be united. Even if such thing would happen it won't be what you had in mind, it will be alliances, not uniformity. The closest thing to this idea was Rome and even it was rivaled equally by Persia and other empires and people were not happy about it.

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That is why you make people uniform, standardize the human race.

Hence the notion of a one nation world, a one culture people, one people.

Uniformity.

Systems fail because they try to compensate for all the moving bits and cogs, i find it a far simpler solution to just level the playing field down.

Antivans, Fereldans, Ultimately they would be the same, they would speak the same language, worship the same god, tithe to the same empire, be ruled by the same Emperor, use the same currency, and beyond that?

They would be similar down to the atom on the cultural level.

Unforunately Thedas like reality lacks the means to standardize the human race through technology but it does possess something to stand in for it.

Faith: Universal Andrastianism.


But the thing is such an idea never worked. Some ppl always will rebel. Look at usa, jews there have some of the bet living standard, have laws to strictly protect, they have the only law in the world which punishes ppl for questioning a historical event. And they still say they are discriminated against, that theres antisemitism in usa blah blah blah

Look at Ferguson, racism against africans is a thing of the past, yet they still think they are discriminated.

No system can make everyone happy.

If orlais establishes a one world gov. sooner or later, there will be rebellions. And from history we know Its tge rebels who wud win.

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Mmm, given they are inferior vermin it wouldn't make much sense.

 

Their ideology is warped, their view is flawed and their people lack cookies.

 

This right there is more then enough of a reason to end the heathen scum, how dare they disrespect our baked goods!

 

This shall be our battle cry!:

 

"Let the heathens spill their flour on the dusty ground,The Maker shall make them pay for each cookie which has not been baked!"

 
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Well to an extent. The worst thing about them is that they cant really change their lives much. Just imagine, if u were in the qun and were given the role of wiping floors without question, wud u like it?

Well they have most advanced , united and productive society with low corruption pretty much in that terms it destroys every society in Thedas.Of course unless you value freedom then it sucks but well so do many other societies in thedas.About what you said it isn't entirely true they can advance for example 

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The number is irrelevant. The important fact is that, should you side with the Templars, you will fight Circle mages using blood magic and sucessfully controlling demons. This is impossible to learn in half a night. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that many mages within the Circle were learning blood magic in secret.

Since Orsino is the First Enchanter; which means he had to know what was happening or he would be a terrible one; with known ties to blood mages and the knowledge to perform a ridiculously complex blood spell, it isalso logical to conclude that he was teaching blood magic.

 

Well mages in ferelden secretly studied blood magic as well i doubt that irving knew about that. 



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I think this is going out of topic. Anyway dont the biggest criminal tycoons keep their money in swiss bank. Theres nothing to be proud of that.

 

Well South America was popular while Noriega was in power.

 

Everybody from Al Queda to the CIA had money stashed down there then, Ah that was the golden age of hiding cash.



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The number is irrelevant. The important fact is that, should you side with the Templars, you will fight Circle mages using blood magic and sucessfully controlling demons. This is impossible to learn in half a night. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that many mages within the Circle were learning blood magic in secret.
Since Orsino is the First Enchanter; which means he had to know what was happening or he would be a terrible one; with known ties to blood mages and the knowledge to perform a ridiculously complex blood spell, it isalso logical to conclude that he was teaching blood magic.


If I remember correctly 99% of mages we fight when siding with Templars are already possessed. Demons can pretty much do all those and them some. Also those fights are off-story like many other fights. The enemies are there for convenience and to make game challenging. if anything Hawke simply faced a few of them before reaching the gallows with the boat. Ironically NONE of the mages in that room with Orsino were blood mages. Guess what, they were in the cutscene. Those mages are not different that the people we fight at night for EXP and loot/gold. Don't confuse gameplay with story.
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Lets just stop with real life examples. All I wanted to say initially was the fact that the Swiss government works and its NOT uniformity, its mutual alliances of different people.

Also as if our world has any means to unite itself under same doctrine, religion etc... Unless aliens attack or something the world will never be united. Even if such thing would happen it won't be what you had in mind, it will be alliances, not uniformity. The closest thing to this idea was Rome and even it was rivaled equally by Persia and other empires and people were not happy about it.


Even if aliens attack china usa will rofl. And if they attack usa, (most) of the world will rofl.

See what happened to the free marches in the third blight.

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The number is irrelevant. The important fact is that, should you side with the Templars, you will fight Circle mages using blood magic and sucessfully controlling demons. This is impossible to learn in half a night. Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that many mages within the Circle were learning blood magic in secret.

Since Orsino is the First Enchanter; which means he had to know what was happening or he would be a terrible one; with known ties to blood mages and the knowledge to perform a ridiculously complex blood spell, it isalso logical to conclude that he was teaching blood magic.

 

As i have said many, many times before that entire circle was corrupt from top to bottom.


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As i have said many, many times before that entire circle was corrupt from top to bottom.

Bethany could spend six years in the Circle and never gets corrupted. 



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He summoned demon so well figure youreslf and pretty much doesn't change point i was talking about.

 

They have wardens that perform certain positions from everywhere apostates and circle mages they recruit blood mages as well pretty sure they don't train mages to be blood mages in circle and say "oh boy you will be grey warden i predict so i will teach you blood magic"... So no blood magic isn't circle thing it is grey warden thing...

 

I don't know for example uldred was gathering army of abomnations pretty much hefty could happen if not the warden.Not rly most blood mages were power hungry but of course lets blame templars even quentin was templar fault well because they are templar it is always their fault... I rly grow tired to pro-mages talking that disasters caused by mages are rare when practically we could sink in the examples of them causing it.

 

And the warden and alistair were guys who broke neutrality rule and yet that was sane thing to do being lawful stupid hardly is smart way meredith practically didn't anything bad outside upseting some nobles because they wanted power she used seat to bring order and that was her goal as well templars to control mages and ensure safety. 

 

Seekers are pretty much templars in all but name but pretty much even before lamber took seat all they did is hunting mages and protecting chantry from conspiracy. :whistle:  

He wasn't the only one, just saying. 

 

It's not illegal to study the theory of Bloodmagic for various reasons some times a mage can come up with a counter messieurs  like the item in DA:O or to created Grey Warden etc.

 

which he would never have if the blight hadn't happened and the blight also made sure what happened in Kirkwall and what eventually lead to the Templar mage war. Also if the blight wasn't happening then the Templars would have gotten reinforcements to take down the army the pride demon was making, what happened in Ferelden wasn't exactly your every days run of the mill circle business. Bloodmages are most of time bad, but more because of their personality rather then bloodmagic after all Bloodmagic doesn't have a mind of it's own it's the people who wield the bloodmagic who does bad things not the bloodmagic itself.

 

We have had two games where the circumstances in the circle was far from normal Ferelden had the blight, Kirkwall is the worst and also the one of the biggested circle in all of Thedas with two very incompetent leaders. So easy to forget stuff like that it seems.

 

Grey Wardens mostly keep to themselves when there isn't a blight also in Ferelden every faction literally couldn't deliver armies because they had various problems. besides when the blight happens Gray Wardens will do anything, because the blight will destroy everything as Meredith she took over a city, sent death squads to kill people, tried to turn the guard into templars and call annulment for the wrong reasons, she broke a lot of rules as her duty as a templar, if she had survived the events of Kirkwall she would either be killed off or imprisoned.

 

No offence but your DA lore knowledge is lacking here, Seeker aren't Templars even though they occasionally hunt mages their main mission is to keep the templars in line it's the reason why Templars don't like Seekers.

 

If I remember correctly 99% of mages we fight when siding with Templars are already possessed. Demons can pretty much do all those and them some. Also those fights are off-story like many other fights. The enemies are there for convenience and to make game challenging. if anything Hawke simply faced a few of them before reaching the gallows with the boat. Ironically NONE of the mages in that room with Orsino were blood mages. Guess what, they were in the cutscene. Those mages are not different that the people we fight at night for EXP and loot/gold. Don't confuse gameplay with story.

thank you for answering that.


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