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[Master Warder Z_]

I am surprised she would buy a pagan-ass idol.

 

Smells like heresy.

 

It was made out of Lyrium, refined, pure lyrium. (as far as she knew)

 

It wasn't like she kept it as a doorknocker or made it into a shrine.

[raging_monkey]

Thank GOD that people in the real world have some sort of gratitude for their rescuers. Jeez....

i know right

[The Baconer]

*sees idol for sale*

* own eyes glow*

*voices in mind say, " this is the maker's gift, take it*

*proceeds to buy it*

 

Blessed are they who stand before

The corrupt and the wicked and do not falter.

 

Not all of us will be blessed with the Maker's audience in the hereafter...

 

 

It was made out of Lyrium, refined, pure lyrium. (as far as she knew)

 

It wasn't like she kept it as a doorknocker or made it into a shrine.

 

Glowy-red Lyrium... carved in some profane image not unlike the left-over works of Tevinter...

[Spicen]

Blessed are they who stand before
The corrupt and the wicked and do not falter.

Not all of us will be blessed with the Maker's audience in the hereafter...



Glowy-red Lyrium... carved in some profane image not unlike the left-over works of Tevinter...

Its DO. NOT. FALTER.

The image wasnt really tevinter like. It was the only unique mystery in da2. The rest of the game was crap tho.

[The Baconer]

The image wasnt really tevinter like. It was the only unique mystery in da2. The rest of the game was crap tho.

 

Two emaciated humanoids in the throes of pain and suffering. Looks quite a bit like the auld statues and murals left behind from Tevinter's rule.

[Spicen]

Two emaciated humanoids in the throes of pain and suffering. Looks quite a bit like the auld statues and murals left behind from Tevinter's rule.

Considering the whispers in her mind, wud she hav noticed?

[The Baconer]

Considering the whispers in her mind, wud she hav noticed?

 

Being a leading figure within an order that prides itself on the ideal of being ever vigilant and incorruptible, yes, I would expect she would notice as much.

[TTTX]

I doesn't matter as i said to my point...

Eee only it that blood magic is banned by the chantry even simple knowing blood magic and by that being blood mage is death sentence jowan is best example...

Only accepted form are phylacteries nothing more.

 

Those are excuses pro-mages love make them up as i said we have colosal numbers of disasters caused by mages and for every case pro-mages have excuse if we want play in 1000 excuses im out.. and no fact that circles are corrupted and pretty much it can lead to another tragedy and often leads jowan , uldred and many blood mages in circles same for kirkwall... And uldred wanted to overthrow chantry so he could do his banned research so it would go this way...

 

So i guess blight created uldred and make those mages blood mages ups or perhaps it was rain yes it was rain everyone is god fault!

 

No most wardens didn't liked that the warden and alistair broke neutrality rule so well... same here...

So what? That is what templars do hunt mages and protect normal peoples from them if peoples help criminals they become criminals it is simple...

And no she didn't tried turn guards into templars she wanted help from them with the crisis read blood mages invasion.

Not rly annulment was right kirkwall circle was full of blood mages including FE.

 

You mean codex that don't know much about seekers because from what i renember seekser went with templars to hunt down mages and well templars weren't very scared of them in dots.

No studying Bloodmagic from a theological as we saw in the mage origin of DA:O they had books on the subject.

 

Blights doesn't happened often it's a fact and Kirkwall has very thin veil and bunch of other stuff that makes it the worst circle in all of Thedas which is also a fact, it is called facts.

 

No, it gave them the opportunity to do so and even then Uldered tried first to decisive the first enchanter in order to join Logian and become free that way, but things didn't turn out that way obviously. 

 

No sacrifice is to great in stopping the blight, Warden code.

Sending death squads to kill who just gave food and house to mage who was close to dying, you don't kill people for that, you give them jail time.

No she wanted the guard to become an extended arm of the Templars and there was no bloodmage invasion, stop making stuff up.

That's not why she called the annulment or didn't you pay attention? She called the annulment because Anders blew up the Chantry and he wasn't even part of the Circle.

 

There is a difference between don't like and being scared, Templars don't like Seekers in general, they can still work together and yes Seekers do hunt mages from time to time, but their main mission is to deal with Templars who step out of line.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No studying Bloodmagic from a theological as we saw in the mage origin of DA:O they had books on the subject.

 

Blights doesn't happened often it's a fact and Kirkwall has very thin veil and bunch of other stuff that makes it the worst circle in all of Thedas which is also a fact, it is called facts.

 

No, it gave them the opportunity to do so and even then Uldered tried first to decisive the first enchanter in order to join Logian and become free that way, but things didn't turn out that way obviously. 

 

No sacrifice is to great in stopping the blight, Warden code.

Sending death squads to kill who just gave food and house to mage who was close to dying, you don't kill people for that, you give them jail time.

No she wanted the guard to become an extended arm of the Templars and there was no bloodmage invasion, stop making stuff up.

That's not why she called the annulment or didn't you pay attention? She called the annulment because Anders blew up the Chantry and he wasn't even part of the Circle.

 

There is a difference between don't like and being scared, Templars don't like Seekers in general, they can still work together and yes Seekers do hunt mages from time to time, but their main mission is to deal with Templars who step out of line.

They study about blood magic not blood magic... not to mention that it was removed from library.

 

Ignoring what i said i see that was not about blight... what you ignore over and over mages were corrupted blood mages regardless blight same was with orsino and krirkwall blood mages.  You just try excuse them with situation and as i said we can play in that game over and over.

 

What mans they broke their neutrality rule to fulfil their prime goal same was with meredith she broke 1 rule to fulfil templars prime goal stop insane mages that are threat.

 

By modern standarts perhaps but not here.

She wanted to them help bring order and of course that hordes of blood mages that i had to kill were just peaceful demonstration...

That was her reason i doubt it was real but as i said annulment was in place circle was corrupted from the top to the bottom.

 

As i said if they don't like each other and it isn't what seekers do why then they went away from the chantry to hunt down mages?

[MisterJB]

If I remember correctly 99% of mages we fight when siding with Templars are already possessed.

You're remembering it wrongly. I suggest playing it again.

 

Those mages are not different that the people we fight at night for EXP and loot/gold. Don't confuse gameplay with story.

And you shouldn't use excuses to avoid the facts. The enemies are there for a reason; they were not placed there at random or, otherwise, we might as well have dalish elves there; and Bioware even managed to give them behavior during combat to match the lore.

Demons were friendly to and didn't attack the mages during "The Last Straw" despite the fact Bioware can make three ways battles like the one between Hawke, the Carta and Qunari.

 

It's a fact that mages in Kirkwall's Circle were capable of summoning and controlling demons. That shows great proficiency not just on blood magic but also demonology and it's not something you can learn to do in half a night.

Therefore, they had been studying blood magic in secret for some time.

[Lulupab]

You're remembering it wrongly. I suggest playing it again.
 

And you shouldn't use excuses to avoid the facts. The enemies are there for a reason; they were not placed there at random or, otherwise, we might as well have dalish elves there; and Bioware even managed to give them behavior during combat to match the lore.
Demons were friendly to and didn't attack the mages during "The Last Straw" despite the fact Bioware can make three ways battles like the one between Hawke, the Carta and Qunari.
 
It's a fact that mages in Kirkwall's Circle were capable of summoning and controlling demons. That shows great proficiency not just on blood magic but also demonology and it's not something you can learn to do in half a night.
Therefore, they had been studying blood magic in secret for some time.

Its far-fetched. Then again if you side with mages, mages who turn to blood magic are simply dying in hands of Templars so the are like why not, I'm dying anyway. As I said knowing how to do something does not make you a criminal, doing it does. Also you should consider the facts, that cutscene where mages are dying, killed by Templars serves a purpose. No mage uses blood magic and they rather die first. You are stretching. What if I told you exactly eight people died in the chantry and no more because the cutscene shows exactly eight people inside. The grand cleric and seven Templars guarding her. You have NO WAY of proving me wrong, but I don't.

The enemies we fight in the way to the gallows are not random but their numbers are in fact irrelevant to the story. I did say Hawke probably fought a few. And I just played the game recently. There are only abomination at the first part. Then when you move to the docks there is a blood mage praying in front of statute of victory against qunari then more demons and abominations. She is the ONLY npc that has the simple name "blood mage" when you hightlight objects and people (Tab button in PC)

[Master Warder Z_]

Uldred tried a hasty summon and got possessed for his troubles, i'd say prep work is required for successfully controlling a demon.

[TTTX]

They study about blood magic not blood magic... not to mention that it was removed from library.

 

Ignoring what i said i see that was not about blight... what you ignore over and over mages were corrupted blood mages regardless blight same was with orsino and krirkwall blood mages.  You just try excuse them with situation and as i said we can play in that game over and over.

 

What mans they broke their neutrality rule to fulfil their prime goal same was with meredith she broke 1 rule to fulfil templars prime goal stop insane mages that are threat.

 

By modern standarts perhaps but not here.

She wanted to them help bring order and of course that hordes of blood mages that i had to kill were just peaceful demonstration...

That was her reason i doubt it was real but as i said annulment was in place circle was corrupted from the top to the bottom.

 

As i said if they don't like each other and it isn't what seekers do why then they went away from the chantry to hunt down mages?

after who knows how many year, there are a difference between theory and practice after all.

 

I would like to remind you also ignore why they do mage do blood magic some do it for power others do it out of desperation. It Uldred case of it was desperation after all he did try the peaceful first if he was so confident in his blood magic he wouldn't resort to hold meetings about joining Logian it would be a waste of time. In case of Kirkwall it was a combinations of things, but just like the mages, Meredith hands is also dirty after all she had the Red lyrium idol it was influencing her big time by the time of act 3.

 

She broke more then 1 rule and there is more to Templars then just kill mages and such, they are also there to protect them.

 

it was illegal, they tried to kill Hawke just for watching them do it and are you referring to the last straw? because there are a difference between gamplay and story not to mention compared to how big the Kirwall circle is those blood mages are pretty few in number and a lot mages died using regular magic during cut scenes.

 

They hunt down very clever mages but it's not their thing and they don't get involved in mages inside the circle because that's the templar's job it's when a templar fails in their duty or misuse their power they step in. It's why Templars don't like Seekers, because they have greater power then the templars do and they are suppose to do what the divine tells. Which means Lambert disobeyed his boss.

[MisterJB]

Its far-fetched. Then again if you side with mages, mages who turn to blood magic are simply dying in hands of Templars so the are like why not, I'm dying anyway.

 

It is very naive to believe they were learning blood magic for defence purposes only.

Especially since many Circles mages were in the city, using blood magic to attack people.

 

Also you should consider the facts, that cutscene where mages are dying, killed by Templars serves a purpose. No mage uses blood magic and they rather die first. You are stretching.

And no Templars dispelled any magic. Clearly, they can't do it.

That was sarcasm, BTW.

 

What if I told you exactly eight people died in the chantry and no more because the cutscene shows exactly eight people inside. The grand cleric and seven Templars guarding her. You have NO WAY of proving me wrong, but I don't.

Except I can actually post a screenshot of mages in the Gallows courtyard with friendly demons which is an ability possible only through the use of blood magic.

[TTTX]

Uldred tried a hasty summon and got possessed for his troubles, i'd say prep work is required for successfully controlling a demon.

I actually think he hadb't planned on using his blood magic when he returned to the circle after Ostargar he most likely hope to get them to join up with Logian and it's probably why he left so fast after Ostagar because he wanted to do it before Wynne returned. Of course things didn't go according to plan and he panicked.

[raging_monkey]

after who knows how many year, there are a difference between theory and practice after all. I would like to remind you also ignore why they do mage do blood magic some do it for power others do it out of desperation. It Uldred case of it was desperation after all he did try the peaceful first if he was so confident in his blood magic he wouldn't resort to hold meetings about joining Logian it would be a waste of time. In case of Kirkwall it was a combinations of things, but just like the mages, Meredith hands is also dirty after all she had the Red lyrium idol it was influencing her big time by the time of act 3. She broke more then 1 rule and there is more to Templars then just kill mages and such, they are also there to protect them. it was illegal, they tried to kill Hawke just for watching them do it and are you referring to the last straw? because there are a difference between gamplay and story not to mention compared to how big the Kirwall circle is those blood mages are pretty few in number and a lot mages died using regular magic during cut scenes. They hunt down very clever mages but it's not their thing and they don't get involved in mages inside the circle because that's the templar's job it's when a templar fails in their duty or misuse their power they step in. It's why Templars don't like Seekers, because they have greater power then the templars do and they are suppose to do what the divine tells. Which means Lambert disobeyed his boss.

Lambert was a hardliner made by betrayal from a friend in a extreme enviroment. And the he handled the incident at white was SOP. It could have ended peacfully if adrien hadnt did a anders. Is he fully innocent of course not did he step out of bounds yes

[TheKomandorShepard]

after who knows how many year, there are a difference between theory and practice after all.

 

I would like to remind you also ignore why they do mage do blood magic some do it for power others do it out of desperation. It Uldred case of it was desperation after all he did try the peaceful first if he was so confident in his blood magic he wouldn't resort to hold meetings about joining Logian it would be a waste of time. In case of Kirkwall it was a combinations of things, but just like the mages, Meredith hands is also dirty after all she had the Red lyrium idol it was influencing her big time by the time of act 3.

 

She broke more then 1 rule and there is more to Templars then just kill mages and such, they are also there to protect them.

 

it was illegal, they tried to kill Hawke just for watching them do it and are you referring to the last straw? because there are a difference between gamplay and story not to mention compared to how big the Kirwall circle is those blood mages are pretty few in number and a lot mages died using regular magic during cut scenes.

 

They hunt down very clever mages but it's not their thing and they don't get involved in mages inside the circle because that's the templar's job it's when a templar fails in their duty or misuse their power they step in. It's why Templars don't like Seekers, because they have greater power then the templars do and they are suppose to do what the divine tells. Which means Lambert disobeyed his boss.

You still don't get it don't you?They don't study blood magic and spell they study about it like dangers or how to use it of it etc not spell in any way.

 

omg... Yes he become blood mage because he was desperate unless he didn't he had to use it before as he had to practice it to know it to that level same as orsino... Even wynne said that uldred was sinister type.but im done here as i said im not playing 1000 excuses because you find another one...

 

So i gues if grey warden broke more than 1 rule to save the world well good logic... yes and in tevinter blood magic is forbidden.

 

As i said i repeat question you didn't asnwered that you just throwed that what you did before i asked your question so no dodge.And as i said divine was stupid and if your boss is stupid you shouldn't listen to them.  

[TTTX]

Lambert was a hardliner made by betrayal from a friend in a extreme enviroment. And the he handled the incident at white was SOP. It could have ended peacfully if adrien hadnt did a anders. Is he fully innocent of course not did he step out of bounds yes

I know and I totally agree.

 

I do feel a little sorry for Lambert he tried to prevent a war, instead he caused one even though that wasn't his attention, but his actions lead the circles to rebel.

 

You still don't get it don't you?They don't study blood magic and spell they study about it like dangers or how to use it of it etc not spell in any way.

 

omg... Yes he become blood mage because he was desperate unless he didn't he had to use it before as he had to practice it to know it to that level same as orsino... Even wynne said that uldred was sinister type.but im done here as i said im not playing 1000 excuses because you find another one...

 

So i gues if grey warden broke more than 1 rule to save the world well good logic... yes and in tevinter blood magic is forbidden.

 

As i said i repeat question you didn't asnwered that you just throwed that what you did before i asked your question so no dodge.And as i said divine was stupid and if your boss is stupid you shouldn't listen to them.  

Hence the theory part.

 

Orsino didn't use blood magic until Meredith forced him into a corner, he says it right in your face and at that point he has no reason to lie. Just because I tell why the mages do why they did these thing does that mean that they are innocent? It depends on the mage and I don't judge people because of what few people do.

 

There is a difference a blight and mages, blights destroy the world, Mages don't intentionally destroy the world because they live in it.

 

Seeker's main mission isn't to hunt mages, their job is to stop corruption in the chantry and templar order that's a Seeker although they may hunt mages it's mages who are above the average apostate. The divine is not stupid she wanted to improve on somethings but thanks to Adrien and Lambert she instead she got was rebellion. 

[BlueMagitek]

I'm a tad confused as to why this topic lasted so long when it was ended in the first reply. :/

 

But to you, TTTX,  most people find it incredible and suspect that someone who was covering for a blood mage serial killer managed to turn into the Flesh Golem from the DA:O DLC on his supposed first try at the field of blood magic.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I know and I totally agree.

 

I do feel a little sorry for Lambert he tried to prevent a war, instead he caused one even though that wasn't his attention, but his actions lead the circles to rebel.

 

Hence the theory part.

 

Orsino didn't use blood magic until Meredith forced him into a corner, he says it right in your face and at that point he has no reason to lie. Just because I tell why the mages do why they did these thing does that mean that they are innocent? It depends on the mage and I don't judge people because of what few people do.

 

There is a difference a blight and mages, blights destroy the world, Mages don't intentionally destroy the world because they live in it.

 

Seeker's main mission isn't to hunt mages, their job is to stop corruption in the chantry and templar order that's a Seeker although they may hunt mages it's mages who are above the average apostate. The divine is not stupid she wanted to improve on somethings but thanks to Adrien and Lambert she instead she got was rebellion. 

And how that does matter that i was speaking?

 

He was helping serial killer and he was crazy not to mention he didn't say half of these things in mage ending so well i wouldn't take he didn't have reason to lie guy was insane and as meredith said he had to practice blood magic for such ritual.Uldred was corrupted you seek excuse for him as i said it doesn't matter he summoned demons for his own goals how it went we know. 

 

Who created blight? Mages do you want another hmm? or perhaps you will try excuse magisters as well?

 

Again you still avoid to answers question replaing over and over the same thing... and yes she was stupid why she provoked first mages then templars and when templars solved problem she let mages escape what lead to mage templar war that is stupidity...

[Hellion Rex]

Uldred tried a hasty summon and got possessed for his troubles, i'd say prep work is required for successfully controlling a demon.

Uldred was a first rate idiot. He tried to summon the damn thing in the middle of a battle, so of course the idiot would get himself possessed.
Edit: Didn't realize that word was on the bad list.

[dragonflight288]

As fascinating as this debate is, and how the role of Seekers tend to be ignored as a way to justify their inaction at Kirkwall or overt action in Asunder in one of the debates, I'd like to ask a few questions in the spirit of keeping this on topic.

 

1. Up until the Circle's declare independence and Lambert declares the Nevarran Accord void, there are also part of the Chantry, or controlled by it. Does the Circle do more good in the world than bad? And if not, why? Do the Seekers?

 

2. When we say "does the chantry do more good," to whom are we referring they do more good for?

 

3. If one branch of the Chantry isn't doing its job, like the Seekers in Kirkwall, or are going to far in trying to do it, as Meredith does, how then should the Chantry respond? And if they do not, then is it not the right and responsibility of the country that houses them  where the problems are to do so? Or does the Chantry's power go beyond the monarchy?

[raging_monkey]

As fascinating as this debate is, and how the role of Seekers tend to be ignored as a way to justify their inaction at Kirkwall or overt action in Asunder in one of the debates, I'd like to ask a few questions in the spirit of keeping this on topic. 1. Up until the Circle's declare independence and Lambert declares the Nevarran Accord void, there are also part of the Chantry, or controlled by it. Does the Circle do more good in the world than bad? And if not, why? Do the Seekers? 2. When we say "does the chantry do more good," to whom are we referring they do more good for? 3. If one branch of the Chantry isn't doing its job, like the Seekers in Kirkwall, or are going to far in trying to do it, as Meredith does, how then should the Chantry respond? And if they do not, then is it not the right and responsibility of the country that houses them  where the problems are to do so? Or does the Chantry's power go beyond the monarchy?

1 the circle provides a safe learning enviroment for those who study magic and were both mages are protected from the ignorant mundanes and vice versa( on paper ,practice its a grey area.
2. We are refering to the mundanes who are destitute in wjich they are given a religious education and possible job opputinities
3.in theory the chantry has little say aside from magical situations but the are often in implied positions of power and the state has little power in reigning in rogue magi defering to chantry forces

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly i think the term "mundane" is sort of an oxymoron, i mean is it "normal" to not be a demon beacon or something to that extent.

[viciouswhisper]

i want to take down the chantry it has too much power