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[dragonflight288]

The Basketball player?

 

 

No, my new avatar. 

[Master Warder Z_]

 

No, my new avatar. 

 

Nene plays for the Wizards.

 

Not kidding.

 

Also...

 

Spoiler

 

Yeah that's what a God can do

[raging_monkey]

I'm not sure how some mages using blood magic defensively even changes that an entire population of men, women, and children are facing execution because Meredith wants to appease a hypothetical mob; no argument is given by the Knight-Commander that the Circle of Kirkwall is irrevocably corrupt, and the story never provides any insight into the personalities and behavior of most of the inhabitants of the Circle. The story and the developers provide no evidence that the Circle of Kirkwall deserved to be annulled by the Right of Annulment.  We don't even have any numbers to make any determination about the whole Circle of Kirkwall. Of course, it had nothing to do with them, since the Circle was condemned to death for the actions of a man who was never part of their Circle. As Meredith initially argues, "It doesn't matter. Even if I wished to, I could not stay my hand. The people will demand blood." In Meredith's own words when she explains her reason behind the Right of Annulment at the Gallows, "The grand cleric is dead, killed by a mage. The people will demand retribution, and I will give it to them."

1 for merideth it was about principal(plus insanity causing mineral)
2 most of kirkwall's magi were either stonewalling templars or actively trying to cause damage and 3 merdeth jumped the gun and decided to forgo due process

[Master Warder Z_]

1 for merideth it was about principal(plus insanity causing mineral)
2 most of kirkwall's magi were either stonewalling templars or actively trying to cause damage and 3 merdeth jumped the gun and decided to forgo due process

 

Actually, with the grand cleric dead, she had the legal right to invoke annulment, Gaider confirmed that YEARS ago.

[raging_monkey]

That too, my friend

[LobselVith8]

1 for merideth it was about principal(plus insanity causing mineral)

 

Meredith was acting as the de facto Viscount illegally, and she had a "death squad"; I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree about her principals, because we clearly don't see the Knight-Commander the same way.

 

2 most of kirkwall's magi were either stonewalling templars or actively trying to cause damage

 

There's no mention that "most" of the Circle of Kirkwall was doing anything; that kind of information simply isn't provided to the protagonist. Admittedly, we do know that there were mages and templars who opposed what Meredith was doing.

 

3 merdeth jumped the gun and decided to forgo due process

 

Meredith ordered the execution of countless people for an act they had nothing to do with. The fact that it was legal under Chantry law to execute an entire Circle of people who were innocent of Anders' actions is simply another reason why some people oppose the Chantry of Andraste.

[Master Warder Z_]

Meredith ordered the execution of countless people for an act they had nothing to do with. The fact that it was legal under Chantry law to execute an entire Circle of people who were innocent of Anders' actions

 

Innocent of that crime perhaps, but how many blood mages were contained with that circle? How many had Orsino and his like corrupted during his tenure at the circle?

 

Even if they had no part in the destruction of the Chantry, that circle had earned it's annulling several times over.

[dragonflight288]

Nene plays for the Wizards.

 

Not kidding.

 

Also...

 

Spoiler

 

Yeah that's what a God can do

 

Yeah, I know. 

 

But my new avatar, Nene, does far more than what Pain did. He literally splits the planet in two. 

 

Spoiler

start at minute three.

 

[raging_monkey]

Meredith was acting as the de facto Viscount illegally, and she had a "death squad"; I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree about her principals, because we clearly don't see the Knight-Commander the same way.  There's no mention that "most" of the Circle of Kirkwall was doing anything; that kind of information simply isn't provided to the protagonist. Admittedly, we do know that there were mages and templars who opposed what Meredith was doing.  Meredith ordered the execution of countless people for an act they had nothing to do with. The fact that it was legal under Chantry law to execute an entire Circle of people who were innocent of Anders' actions is simply another reason why some people oppose the Chantry of Andraste.

1 while i never openly stated my contempt for the KC ill make it clear that i find meri's actions disgusting and really needed a check on ethics
2. I spoke as a outside witness attempting to remove bias(failed horribly it would seem) no we dont know which mage or templar that was as Z claims corrupt this is also true
3. Yes the practice of annulment without due process was wrong and to qoute fiona "that fool" anders should have been punished instead of the circle

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, I know. 

 

But my new avatar, Nene, does far more than what Pain did. He literally splits the planet in two. 

 

Spoiler

start at minute three.

 

 

He plays for the Wizards...

 

And Blue Dragon ._.

 

What kind of hocus pocus voodoo is that.

 

Also a God does not just destroy, he also creates!

 

Spoiler

 

Can this oddly colored, weird little man also create a planet?

[viciouswhisper]

so yeah about that chantry thing...

[raging_monkey]

so yeah about that chantry thing...

well the chantry many good and bad its followers that are the problem they are often reasonably wary of Qunari and magi but have tendacy to go to extremes due to their indoctrination. So what should done is a renasance of sort. A time of enlightenment

[LobselVith8]

so yeah about that chantry thing...

 

At the very least, I'm glad we've moved past the point of people erroneously claiming that people only dislike the Chantry of Andraste because it's a religious organization. I'm still not in favor of the Andrastian Chantry, for a number of reasons. I don't see much being accomplished by any further discussion on the matter, however.

[viciouswhisper]

At the very least, I'm glad we've moved past the point of people erroneously claiming that people only dislike the Chantry of Andraste because it's a religious organization. I'm still not in favor of the Andrastian Chantry, for a number of reasons.

meeee neither

[Master Warder Z_]

I like the Chantry.

[raging_monkey]

Then let this tbread rest in peace (hopefully)

[Master Warder Z_]

At the very least, I'm glad we've moved past the point of people erroneously claiming that people only dislike the Chantry of Andraste because it's a religious organization

 

Are you denying that some of them don't dislike it for that reasoning?

[LobselVith8]

Then let this tbread rest in peace (hopefully)

 

I can live with that.

[Shadow Fox]

Honestly surprised this aint locked.

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly surprised this aint locked.

 

Its more or less been on topic the entire length of the thread...

 

excusing the odd page or two.

[raging_monkey]

Y

Honestly surprised this aint locked.

its been a fairly productive and somewhat respectfully disscussion

[dragonflight288]

Are you denying that some of them don't dislike it for that reasoning?

 

Some do dislike it for that reasoning. It's really easy to get the impression, however, that the people who comment on it are always saying that everyone who dislikes the Chantry doesn't like it for those reasons, and no other reason works. 

 

Then the people who dislike the Chantry but have no problems with real world religions, (like myself, I am quite religious) take issue with being put in that category and then try to point out why they don't like the Chantry and it has nothing to do with real religions, and then we have a discussion, get it over with, and then someone else comes along and says that the Chantry is disliked by people because they dislike real world religions. 

 

It's a big ferris wheel full of highs and lows, going up and down constantly, but always in a circle and we never get anywhere. 

[raging_monkey]

Some do dislike it for that reasoning. It's really easy to get the impression, however, that the people who comment on it are always saying that everyone who dislikes the Chantry doesn't like it for those reasons, and no other reason works.  Then the people who dislike the Chantry but have no problems with real world religions, (like myself, I am quite religious) take issue with being put in that category and then try to point out why they don't like the Chantry and it has nothing to do with real religions, and then we have a discussion, get it over with, and then someone else comes along and says that the Chantry is disliked by people because they dislike real world religions.  It's a big ferris wheel full of highs and lows, going up and down constantly, but always in a circle and we never get anywhere.

thats life my friend (aware of the gross simplification)

[TK514]

Meredith ordered the execution of countless people for an act they had nothing to do with. The fact that it was legal under Chantry law to execute an entire Circle of people who were innocent of Anders' actions is simply another reason why some people oppose the Chantry of Andraste.

Meredith had already sent off for the Right at the beginning of Act 3.

 

Anders was just the final straw. 

[raging_monkey]

It gave her a arguably legal warrant for annullment but if it was at start of act 3 it would been denied off-screen cause would lead to a ful rebellion(happened anyway)