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[TTTX]

I'm a tad confused as to why this topic lasted so long when it was ended in the first reply. :/

 

But to you, TTTX,  most people find it incredible and suspect that someone who was covering for a blood mage serial killer managed to turn into the Flesh Golem from the DA:O DLC on his supposed first try at the field of blood magic.

According to Orsino he did it because he didn't want Meredith to use the killer as ammo against the circle, a stupid idea and Orsino deserved to be punished for it and he had the killers research, Uldred could summon a demon without apparently any proper training in the matter.

And how that does matter that i was speaking?

 

He was helping serial killer and he was crazy not to mention he didn't say half of these things in mage ending so well i wouldn't take he didn't have reason to lie guy was insane and as meredith said he had to practice blood magic for such ritual.Uldred was corrupted you seek excuse for him as i said it doesn't matter he summoned demons for his own goals how it went we know. 

 

Who created blight? Mages do you want another hmm? or perhaps you will try excuse magisters as well?

 

Again you still avoid to answers question replaing over and over the same thing... and yes she was stupid why she provoked first mages then templars and when templars solved problem she let mages escape what lead to mage templar war that is stupidity...

Not sure.

 

The ending of DA2 was rushed which was probably the reason why he didn't say all those things in the mage ending after all those two endings are very similar. Don't get me wrong Uldered and Orsino are both guilty in their crimes, much like Meredith and Alrik are, never the less if it wasn't for the blight Uldred wouldn't have gotten opportunity after all Logain offered him a deal and Kirkwall also have a lot of stuff that makes it the worst Circle to live in and by act 3 Meredith was under the influence of the red lyrium that obviously was making her crazier as time went on.

 

So you are going condemn people for something that a few A-holes did many years ago and to be fair the magisters they were offered the powers of a god, not many people will say no to such an offer. IT DOESN'T EXCUSE what they did, but they wouldn't have gone to Golden City because they didn't know about it until someone told them.

 

You asked what a Seeker is and I answered and no she wasn't she wanted something to calm the mages down especially after Kirkwall it was needed and the Circles were already rebellion even before it was made official.

[TTTX]

so yeah about that chantry thing...

it just have some bad people in it other then that it's mostly good.

[Wildecarde]

The youth centre where I volunteer does good work, and we manage not to slaughter people enmasse.

 

"There isn't a better alternative" is not an excuse. If there is no better alternative, then one needs to be made. The Chantry has to be forced to improve, and if it won't, then it should be dismantled, and a new structure should take its place

[TheKomandorShepard]

The ending of DA2 was rushed which was probably the reason why he didn't say all those things in the mage ending after all those two endings are very similar. Don't get me wrong Uldered and Orsino are both guilty in their crimes, much like Meredith and Alrik are, never the less if it wasn't for the blight Uldred wouldn't have gotten opportunity after all Logain offered him a deal and Kirkwall also have a lot of stuff that makes it the worst Circle to live in and by act 3 Meredith was under the influence of the red lyrium that obviously was making her crazier as time went on.

 

So you are going condemn people for something that a few A-holes did many years ago and to be fair the magisters they were offered the powers of a god, not many people will say no to such an offer. IT DOESN'T EXCUSE what they did, but they wouldn't have gone to Golden City because they didn't know about it until someone told them.

 

You asked what a Seeker is and I answered and no she wasn't she wanted something to calm the mages down especially after Kirkwall it was needed and the Circles were already rebellion even before it was made official.

 

Not rly being rushed doesn't change anything here orsino is liar and was crazy in both situations he said what was convenient.And no uldred as wekk other mages was studing secretly blood magic so yes he had practice... 

 

As i said  if you want excuse mages because they had opportunity good luck with that because there always will be opportunity to cause disaster as i said uldred and many mages in ferelden circle were corrupted and were blood mages before blight he sooner or latter would see opportunity hah all that guy did is was trying take over entire circle and guy succeed all it took were corrupted blood mages and uldred to lead to disaster.And no blood mages in kirkwall were long before third act and only 1 mage had that excuse.

 

No i codemn peoples because what they did , do and will do and what they do is continuing wave of disasters that you try excuse "meh sh** happens they had opportunity"  and pretty much that is reason why mages need to be exterminated or at least controlled to that point that they won't have "opportunity" cause more disasters.

 

No i asked if seekers goal is to protect mages or hunt down templars so why then seekers left with templars to hunt down mages? She did first she ignored mages then when they were pissed then she started ****** templars off then when lambert took control over situation she helped mages escape what was pretty much reason why we have mage-templar war.

[TTTX]

Not rly being rushed doesn't change anything here orsino is liar and was crazy in both situations he said what was convenient.And no uldred as wekk other mages was studing secretly blood magic so yes he had practice... 

 

As i said  if you want excuse mages because they had opportunity good luck with that because there always will be opportunity to cause disaster as i said uldred and many mages in ferelden circle were corrupted and were blood mages before blight he sooner or latter would see opportunity hah all that guy did is was trying take over entire circle and guy succeed all it took were corrupted blood mages and uldred to lead to disaster.And no blood mages in kirkwall were long before third act and only 1 mage had that excuse.

 

No i codemn peoples because what they did , do and will do and what they do is continuing wave of disasters that you try excuse "meh sh** happens they had opportunity"  and pretty much that is reason why mages need to be exterminated or at least controlled to that point that they won't have "opportunity" cause more disasters.

 

No i asked if seekers goal is to protect mages or hunt down templars so why then seekers left with templars to hunt down mages? She did first she ignored mages then when they were pissed then she started ****** templars off then when lambert took control over situation she helped mages escape what was pretty much reason why we have mage-templar war.

The Devs have said otherwise.

 

You have a very narrow view of what's many is, in Ferelden we only saw like 5 blood mages in the circle and bunch of demons and abominations and abominations can made from regular mages as we heard with Uldred. We don't know the exact number of mages in the circle but it's probably a couple of hundred and even less on how many followed Uldred my guess it less then a dozen. Besides he is hardly the first in human history who have seized power and then cause untold death and destruction, in other words when an opportunity present itself a lot of people tend to take opportunity even Meredith took one when the Chantry blew up. 

 

Yeah, sh*t happens it's part of life and you don't kill people for they might do and every time mages have caused a disaster they have been few in number or like in the case of Conner or Meredith's sister it was their parents fault for doing the wrong thing.

 

I have already answered this they sometimes hunt mages, but it's the ones who above the average apostate like the one that we saw in DOTS. First of all Lambert is not a Templar, he is Lord Seeker she pissed him off and the circles were already fighting it's say so right in the Novel that the Circles was fighting a month after she let them run, the mages hadn't even hold the vote yet.

 

and now can we agree to disagree? 

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Devs have said otherwise.

 

You have a very narrow view of what's many is, in Ferelden we only saw like 5 blood mages in the circle and bunch of demons and abominations and abominations can made from regular mages as we heard with Uldred. We don't know the exact number of mages in the circle but it's probably a couple of hundred and even less on how many followed Uldred my guess it less then a dozen. Besides he is hardly the first in human history who have seized power and then cause untold death and destruction, in other words when an opportunity present itself a lot of people tend to take opportunity even Meredith took one when the Chantry blew up. 

 

Yeah, sh*t happens it's part of life and you don't kill people for they might do and every time mages have caused a disaster they have been few in number or like in the case of Conner or Meredith's sister it was their parents fault for doing the wrong thing.

 

I have already answered this they sometimes hunt mages, but it's the ones who above the average apostate like the one that we saw in DOTS. First of all Lambert is not a Templar, he is Lord Seeker she pissed him off and the circles were already fighting it's say so right in the Novel that the Circles was fighting a month after she let them run, the mages hadn't even hold the vote yet.

 

and now can we agree to disagree? 

Devs said they didn't wanted orsino to be boss battle at least not for mage ending not that he was saying truth or he didn't practice blood magic...

 

No the warden can ask "why there is so many blood mages here" and many isn't 5 blood mages so no i don't have narrow view on that simple i don't refuse look at truth.And now you try compare non-mage to mage not to mention meredith tried to stop walking bombs pretty sure it was blood mages that were rampaging in kirkwall and mage who blow up the chantry not meredith meredith was one who tried put blood mages down and by that bring order and safety.

 

Yes s*** happens lets give everyone machine guns and access to nuclears bombs because **** happens i mean that guy had reason to shoot that person he didn't liked him and well s*** happens .Free criminals because sh*** happens and they had reasons behind what they did  let let terrorists do what they do because s**. happens. No they don't give you access to nuclear bomb or biological weapons because s*** happens they don't give you so it didn't happen... 

 

No you didn't you keep saying they are to hunt down templars not just an elite templars as i said but then i asked you why then if it isn't in case seekers left with templars to hunt down mages instead staying with chantry and prevent templars from leaving and plase don't avoiding that question...

 

First i wasn't talking about just lambert then see above my question and as i said her helping mages escape what was sing of hope for mages created rebellion...

[TTTX]

Devs said they didn't wanted orsino to be boss battle at least not for mage ending not that he was saying truth or he didn't practice blood magic...

 

No the warden can ask "why there is so many blood mages here" and many isn't 5 blood mages so no i don't have narrow view on that simple i don't refuse look at truth.And now you try compare non-mage to mage not to mention meredith tried to stop walking bombs pretty sure it was blood mages that were rampaging in kirkwall and mage who blow up the chantry not meredith meredith was one who tried put blood mages down and by that bring order and safety.

 

Yes s*** happens lets give everyone machine guns and access to nuclears bombs because **** happens i mean that guy had reason to shoot that person he didn't liked him and well s*** happens .Free criminals because sh*** happens and they had reasons behind what they did  let let terrorists do what they do because s**. happens. No they don't give you access to nuclear bomb or biological weapons because s*** happens they don't give you so it didn't happen... 

 

No you didn't you keep saying they are to hunt down templars not just an elite templars as i said but then i asked you why then if it isn't in case seekers left with templars to hunt down mages instead staying with chantry and prevent templars from leaving and plase don't avoiding that question...

 

First i wasn't talking about just lambert then see above my question and as i said her helping mages escape what was sing of hope for mages created rebellion...

it's not easy to discuss this when we don't have all the info other what little Orsino tells us.

 

That depends on what you considered a lot if the warden take down Uldred and say the circle is fine the circle still have enough mages to help send into the war which indicates all the blood mages either are dead or have escaped. For most people a dozen is a lot and the Warden doesn't know the number of bloodmages he just assumes it's lot. yeah she never found the killer Hawke did and Anders wasn't part of the Circle when he blew up the Circle and Meredith had the red lyrium (you know that thing that makes people crazy) that was affecting her mind she was even starting to talk to people who weren't there when she was in her room alone.

 

Yeah sh*t happens then people die or get hurt and such, then people have to deal with the after math, that's how life works. you can prepare all you want at the end of the day sh*t will still happen and you can do nothing to stop it, the best you can do is to contain it somewhat and save what people you can and mages are people too.

 

*sighs* okay let me say this the Seekers exist to take down Templars who misuse their power or fail at their duty, they don't actively hunt templars who leaves in order to do their duty, Seeker also sometimes hunt mages, but not the average mage it's mages who are above the rest. 

http://dragonage.wik...eekers_of_Truth

 

It was Lambert she directly talked to, not the Templars and you don't think it's because Lambert took down the conclave? You expect the circles just stay silent and continue in what world do you live.

 

And now I'm done with this discussion if you post anymore I won't answer.

[TheKomandorShepard]

it's not easy to discuss this when we don't have all the info other what little Orsino tells us.

 

That depends on what you considered a lot if the warden take down Uldred and say the circle is fine the circle still have enough mages to help send into the war which indicates all the blood mages either are dead or have escaped. For most people a dozen is a lot and the Warden doesn't know the number of bloodmages he just assumes it's lot. yeah she never found the killer Hawke did and Anders wasn't part of the Circle when he blew up the Circle and Meredith had the red lyrium (you know that thing that makes people crazy) that was affecting her mind she was even starting to talk to people who weren't there when she was in her room alone.

 

Yeah sh*t happens then people die or get hurt and such, then people have to deal with the after math, that's how life works. you can prepare all you want at the end of the day sh*t will still happen and you can do nothing to stop it, the best you can do is to contain it somewhat and save what people you can and mages are people too.

 

*sighs* okay let me say this the Seekers exist to take down Templars who misuse their power or fail at their duty, they don't actively hunt templars who leaves in order to do their duty, Seeker also sometimes hunt mages, but not the average mage it's mages who are above the rest. 

http://dragonage.wik...eekers_of_Truth

 

It was Lambert she directly talked to, not the Templars and you don't think it's because Lambert took down the conclave? You expect the circles just stay silent and continue in what world do you live.

 

And now I'm done with this discussion if you post anymore I won't answer.

And what number of mages that was end on the war have with number of blood mages in circle it seems that you bring something that doesn't have anything to do with things im talking about... now you try avoid to streach what main character said. Eee and where i was saying that meredith found quentin? Quentin was one of many blood mages in krikwall she was hunting others as well not to mention that quentin had help from orsino that you try to protect but still it had nothing to do with that what i was saying... Same for anders who blew up chantry it doesn't matter if he was prat of the circle because him being part of it wasn't what i argued...

 

Oh please another pro-mage that compares car accident with explosion of a nuclear bomb.No group of bandits isn't same thing as single guy that can create world-scale or national scale disaster even apocalypse just because simple small mistake ,own stupidity or deliberately.

 

That is what text say in reality they are an elite templars what im saying over and over and still you didn't provide answer.

 

Yes pretty much they wouldn't have much choice if mages that tried rebel were crushed by templars that would show other mages they don't have any chance and how attemts separating from chantry end.

[TTTX]

That is what text say in reality they are an elite templars what im saying over and over and still you didn't provide answer.

They are chosen from the Templar rank, but they are not Templars after that and I did answer you question.

 

The organization appears to act as a check and balance to the power of the Templar Order, acting in a secretive, investigative and interrogative capacity to root out corruption and protect the Chantry from internal and external threats. They also may become involved in the hunting of particularly cunning apostates. Templars fear and despise the Seekers, as they must usually involve themselves when the templars are failing in their duties.

 

 

 

Yes pretty much they wouldn't have much choice if mages that tried rebel were crushed by templars that would show other mages they don't have any chance and how attemts separating from chantry end.

Study some human history, people don't always just bow because some other demands it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

They are chosen from the Templar rank, but they are not Templars after that and I did answer you question.

 

The organization appears to act as a check and balance to the power of the Templar Order, acting in a secretive, investigative and interrogative capacity to root out corruption and protect the Chantry from internal and external threats. They also may become involved in the hunting of particularly cunning apostates. Templars fear and despise the Seekers, as they must usually involve themselves when the templars are failing in their duties.

 

 

 

Study some human history, people don't always just bow because some other demands it.

As i said this is text if they rly their goal to keep templars on leash why they did went with them to hunt mages?What supports what im saying in reality seekers are nothing more than an eltie templars and even in dots they do same things as templars hell they even disputes who takes that job templars or seekers.

 

I don't have to pretty much peoples had to live as property otherwise they would be crushed so well it worked as well i brougt in-universe example from daa scenario where you crush pesants prevents them from future riots very effectively.

 

 

[TTTX]

As i said this is text if they rly their goal to keep templars on leash why they did went with them to hunt mages?What supports what im saying in reality seekers are nothing more than an eltie templars and even in dots they do same things as templars hell they even disputes who takes that job templars or seekers.

 

I don't have to pretty much peoples had to live as property otherwise they would be crushed so well it worked as well i brougt in-universe example from daa scenario where you crush pesants prevents them from future riots very effectively. 

This you miss this line?

 

They also may become involved in the hunting of particularly cunning apostates

 

unlike Templars they don't actively take part in hunting down mages or even guarding them, after all even Templars fight as an army for the Chantry during exalted marches even though the Templars main mission is to take care of mages they still fight as the army of the Chantry from time to time.

 

And yet because of rebellions we have democracy, Russia originally rebelled against their masters and became the country they are now and even Adraste rebelled against Tevinter and won somewhat Ferelden rebelled against Orlais and I could go on. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Meredith had already sent off for the Right at the beginning of Act 3.

 

Anders was just the final straw. 

 

More accurately, Anders eliminated the final obstacle.

 

Back on the old BSN, Gaider once elaborated/interjected into a debate about whether Meredith's action with the annulment were illegal because she did it without permission from the Chantry. Gaider's answer was that, in exceptional emergencies in which the Grand Cleric is dead, the authority to do so will temporarily fall on the Knight Commander. Legally, Meredith had the standing to invoke the Right.

 

Meredith's actions were immoral, but they weren't illegal. An Annulment, like an American Presidential Impeachment, doesn't actually need a specific crime or metric to invoke. It's a judgement call on the basis of the evaluator, who can use however much or however little they need, and can be based off of general patterns of conduct as much as anything else. Given that the intended goal for an Annullment is when a Circle is beyond salvage and repair, simply being convinced of entrenched corruption and malefactors would pass the legal test of reason.

 

Now, being legal isn't the same as being just and moral, but it is what it is.
 

[TheKomandorShepard]

This you miss this line?

 

They also may become involved in the hunting of particularly cunning apostates

 

unlike Templars they don't actively take part in hunting down mages or even guarding them, after all even Templars fight as an army for the Chantry during exalted marches even though the Templars main mission is to take care of mages they still fight as the army of the Chantry from time to time.

 

And yet because of rebellions we have democracy, Russia originally rebelled against their masters and became the country they are now and even Adraste rebelled against Tevinter and won somewhat Ferelden rebelled against Orlais and I could go on. 

Since when entire circle of mages is cunning apostates? As far i renember illusory seeker function is watch over templars not do their job in hunting mages and yet they went to hunt mages down and not prevented templars from separation with chantry... That they claim that blood magic is forbidden doesn't mean it is same with seekers.

 

 Eee so what? Rebelion of majority don't equal rebelion of a small minority not to mention if you crush rebellion before it starts don't mention that many mages even prefered to came back to templars despite punishment they would recive because fight with templars would end poorly.

[Mistic]

More accurately, Anders eliminated the final obstacle.

 

Makes you think that Anders planned it that way, doesn't it? Had he chosen to blow up the barracks with Meredith inside, I think the resulting scenario would have been widely different.

[Dean_the_Young]

Makes you think that Anders planned it that way, doesn't it? Had he chosen to blow up the barracks with Meredith inside, I think the resulting scenario would have been widely different.

 

Oh, he's outright direct about it. Elthina was the symbol of compromise, and Anders deemed compromise was unacceptable. He might not have known about the request for an Annullment already, but he was clearly intending for a sudden end to the injustice of living in peace but not free.

 

To distort a famous quote: Give them liberty, or give them death. Either is acceptable.

[TTTX]

Since when entire circle of mages is cunning apostates? As far i renember illusory seeker function is watch over templars not do their job in hunting mages and yet they went to hunt mages down and not prevented templars from separation with chantry... That they claim that blood magic is forbidden doesn't mean it is same with seekers.

 

 Eee so what? Rebelion of majority don't equal rebelion of a small minority not to mention if you crush rebellion before it starts don't mention that many mages even prefered to came back to templars despite punishment they would recive because fight with templars would end poorly.

There hasn't been a giant rebellion on of the circle before, so I guess so.

 

*sighs* DOTS is hardly the best movie when it comes to plot and we haven't seen the Seekers in action much other then DA2 and DOTS but from little info we have we know Seekers' Main mission is to make sure that Templar don't misuse their powers and such, However like Templars they also have to other duties out side of that.

 

Lambert was many things, but being a good seeker is not one of them judging what happened in Asunder + he was from Tevinter and had been backstabbed by his best friend the Archon of Tevinter that affects some of the decisions he makes similar to how Meredith's sister affected Meredith's view on many things.

 

Point is that not all people aren't just going to stand and be pushed around just because you tell them to. Russia was a minority at once in human history and they turned that around as know today hell even Communism was a minority in Russia and yet the ruled Russia for for close to 80 years, you underestimate what rebellions can do hell even Templars and Seekers rebel against the Chantry which you are obviously fine with and I know why you are fine with it. You assume Templars have the upper hand, but judging at the start of DA:I since both parties are willing to discuss peace means the war isn't going well for either of them for various reasons. 

 

Crushing a rebellion isn't as easy you think because if people have enough conviction then a rebellion will happen and thanks to Lambert's actions the Circles basically had enough. It's similar to what happened in season 1 game of thrones got the north to rebel. I'm just using the example to how that rebelling started no how it ended.

[Mistic]

Oh, he's outright direct about it. Elthina was the symbol of compromise, and Anders deemed compromise was unacceptable. He might not have known about the request for an Annullment already, but he was clearly intending for a sudden end to the injustice of living in peace but not free.

 

To distort a famous quote: Give them liberty, or give them death. Either is acceptable.

 

True, but I still wonder if he knew the legal consequences (taking out Elthina = Meredith having the legal right to enact an Annulment). Anders in DA2 liked a lot to talk about symbols and ideals, not so much about laws and regulations.

 

But I agree, he wanted war. Had he taken out Meredith, several mages would have cheered for him and, more important, the nobility in Kirkwall. And probably Elthina would have been satisfied without an Annulment if Anders alone was hanged for his crime.

[TheKomandorShepard]

*sighs* DOTS is hardly the best movie when it comes to plot and we haven't seen the Seekers in action much other then DA2 and DOTS but from little info we have we know Seekers' Main mission is to make sure that Templar don't misuse their powers and such, However like Templars they also have to other duties out side of that.

 

Lambert was many things, but being a good seeker is not one of them judging what happened in Asunder + he was from Tevinter and had been backstabbed by his best friend the Archon of Tevinter that affects some of the decisions he makes similar to how Meredith's sister affected Meredith's view on many things.

 

Point is that not all people aren't just going to stand and be pushed around just because you tell them to. Russia was a minority at once in human history and they turned that around as know today hell even Communism was a minority in Russia and yet the ruled Russia for for close to 80 years, you underestimate what rebellions can do hell even Templars and Seekers rebel against the Chantry which you are obviously fine with and I know why you are fine with it. You assume Templars have the upper hand, but judging at the start of DA:I since both parties are willing to discuss peace means the war isn't going well for either of them for various reasons. 

 

Crushing a rebellion isn't as easy you think because if people have enough conviction then a rebellion will happen and thanks to Lambert's actions the Circles basically had enough. It's similar to what happened in season 1 game of thrones got the north to rebel. I'm just using the example to how that rebelling started no how it ended.

I agree about dots after all army of golems and ogres...As i said it doesn't matter because they left with templars to help them with their mission that shows what seekers truly are but as i said they pretty much in reality they are nothing more than an elite templars and that they went with templars not stayed with chantry shows that.

 

As i said above in reality seekers pretty much elite of templars i explained why above and well before.

Of course they will as long they know they don't stand chance and you prove they don't by curshing them proving them otherwise.Im not saying that rebelion is bad because that is point of view im saying that crushing rebelion and fear simple is effective method of preventing rebelions that pretty much why rules for long time could get away with treating lower classes like crap and own property.

 

It was easy lambert did it then he will punish mages for that rebelion and showed how rebellion ends besides as i said mages weren't very eager to rebel as they knew they would crush them damn even anders said that before he went nuts.

 

I will respond later as now i have to go.    

[TTTX]

I agree about dots after all army of golems and ogres...As i said it doesn't matter because they left with templars to help them with their mission that shows what seekers truly are but as i said they pretty much in reality they are nothing more than an elite templars and that they went with templars not stayed with chantry shows that.

 

As i said above in reality seekers pretty much elite of templars i explained why above and well before.

Of course they will as long they know they don't stand chance and you prove they don't by curshing them proving them otherwise.Im not saying that rebelion is bad because that is point of view im saying that crushing rebelion and fear simple is effective method of preventing rebelions that pretty much why rules for long time could get away with treating lower classes like crap and own property.

 

It was easy lambert did it then he will punish mages for that rebelion and showed how rebellion ends besides as i said mages weren't very eager to rebel as they knew they would crush them damn even anders said that before he went nuts.

 

I will respond later as now i have to go.  

IF that was where the case the Seekers would be stationed in the circles with Templars but they are not, Mages are not the main concern of Seekers. Hunting a mage not something a Seeker does often.

 

Mages do have a chance after all they have their magic, besides close to 1000 years of mages staying inside the circles until Asunder happened at best a few mages caused one circle to rebel or something else. After Asunder every circle rised up at once even before they had heard their leaders voted for it Asunder makes that clear.

 

They weren't rebelling they were still reaching an agreement and was about to vote when Lambert crashed the meeting. Ferelden was in the same situation with Orlais they should have lost and yet they won.

[dragonflight288]

More accurately, Anders eliminated the final obstacle.

 

Back on the old BSN, Gaider once elaborated/interjected into a debate about whether Meredith's action with the annulment were illegal because she did it without permission from the Chantry. Gaider's answer was that, in exceptional emergencies in which the Grand Cleric is dead, the authority to do so will temporarily fall on the Knight Commander. Legally, Meredith had the standing to invoke the Right.

 

Meredith's actions were immoral, but they weren't illegal. An Annulment, like an American Presidential Impeachment, doesn't actually need a specific crime or metric to invoke. It's a judgement call on the basis of the evaluator, who can use however much or however little they need, and can be based off of general patterns of conduct as much as anything else. Given that the intended goal for an Annullment is when a Circle is beyond salvage and repair, simply being convinced of entrenched corruption and malefactors would pass the legal test of reason.

 

Now, being legal isn't the same as being just and moral, but it is what it is.
 

 

Gaider also said in that thread that although what she did was technically legal, it was also not justifiable. After all is said and done, had Meredith survived DA2, she would've been answering to the Divine because the reason she called for the Rite of Annulment ultimately had nothing to do with the Circle she annulled. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Gaider also said in that thread that although what she did was technically legal, it was also not justifiable. After all is said and done, had Meredith survived DA2, she would've been answering to the Divine because the reason she called for the Rite of Annulment ultimately had nothing to do with the Circle she annulled. 

 

Ayup. Legal but unjustified.

[TheKomandorShepard]

IF that was where the case the Seekers would be stationed in the circles with Templars but they are not, Mages are not the main concern of Seekers. Hunting a mage not something a Seeker does often.

 

Mages do have a chance after all they have their magic, besides close to 1000 years of mages staying inside the circles until Asunder happened at best a few mages caused one circle to rebel or something else. After Asunder every circle rised up at once even before they had heard their leaders voted for it Asunder makes that clear.

 

They weren't rebelling they were still reaching an agreement and was about to vote when Lambert crashed the meeting. Ferelden was in the same situation with Orlais they should have lost and yet they won.

Templars watch mages when seekers are an as i said are an elite templars that hunt mages as i said if your version was real read not theoretical seekers would stay with chantry and try prevent templars from going rogue not go to help them hunt down all mages.

 

Nope they don't well now they have but pathetic one and they knew it during vote and they have pathetic chances only because divine helped them escape heh mages wanted even return to the templars accepting the punishment.As i said vote is 1 divine leting mages escape is another...

 

They started to vote about separation from the chantry despite that topic should be completely different and they didn't wanted allow to arrest suspected serial killer.

 

Nope far from the same as orlais pretty much gave them that victory as they decided that ferelden isn't worth wasting resources and i don't see templars doing the same.    

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Templars watch mages when seekers are an as i said are an elite templars that hunt mages as i said if your version was real read not theoretical seekers would stay with chantry and try prevent templars from going rogue not go to help them hunt down all mages.

 

Nope they don't well now they have but pathetic one and they knew it during vote and they have pathetic chances only because divine helped them escape heh mages wanted even return to the templars accepting the punishment.As i said vote is 1 divine leting mages escape is another...

 

They started to vote about separation from the chantry despite that topic should be completely different and they didn't wanted allow to arrest suspected serial killer.

 

Nope far from the same as orlais pretty much gave them that victory as they decided that ferelden isn't worth wasting resources and i don't see templars doing the same.    

Templars also hunt mages that has been confirmed many times over as for Seekers we have one movie where some mages + a couple of others enemies even a templar conspiring to take down the Divine makes sense why the Seekers are involved it's part their objective to keep the Chantry safe which is one of their duties which is something Lambert betrayed at the end of Asunder.

 

That's the loyalists (I think that's what they are called) group of the mages they accept any punishment put on them by the Chantry there always people like that in any group people there are like 5 major groups in among mages if I remember correctly. Any chance is better then none sooner or later you have to take a stand, it's something I learned a log time ago. Divine let them go because Lambert had done something against what his boss had him ordered to, He meant well I know but as Rhys said he was a man grasping at straws while the circle crumbled around him and Rhys was indeed right.

 

There is a difference between holding vote and what the end result is, unfortunately we never got to know the results of the first vote because of Lambert, I'm pretty sure the mages would voted for staying in with the Chantry, but things changed after Wynne died whether you like her or not she was pro circle which is more then what you can say for mages like Fiona, It was pretty weak evidence Lambert had on Rhys he only found the murder weapon in his room you have to be pretty stupid if you hid the murder weapon in our own room.

 

You have said it yourself you are no expert on the Orlesian and Ferelden war. Ferelden according to lore and Logain they were sometimes fighting fully armed Orlesians when they had no armor or weapons so no Orlias didn't give them the Victory they worked long and hard and basically kicked Orlais ass not bad for a bunch of farmers eventually Orlais thought it was far to expensive to keep losing to them.

[raging_monkey]

Templars also hunt mages that has been confirmed many times over as for Seekers we have one movie where some mages + a couple of others enemies even a templar conspiring to take down the Divine makes sense why the Seekers are involved it's part their objective to keep the Chantry safe which is one of their duties which is something Lambert betrayed at the end of Asunder. That's the loyalists (I think that's what they are called) group of the mages they accept any punishment put on them by the Chantry there always people like that in any group people there are like 5 major groups in among mages if I remember correctly. Any chance is better then none sooner or later you have to take a stand, it's something I learned a log time ago. Divine let them go because Lambert had done something against what his boss had him ordered to, He meant well I know but as Rhys said he was a man grasping at straws while the circle crumbled around him and Rhys was indeed right. There is a difference between holding vote and what the end result is, unfortunately we never got to know the results of the first vote because of Lambert, I'm pretty sure the mages would voted for staying in with the Chantry, but things changed after Wynne died whether you like her or not she was pro circle which is more then what you can say for mages like Fiona, It was pretty weak evidence Lambert had on Rhys he only found the murder weapon in his room you have to be pretty stupid if you hid the murder weapon in our own room. You have said it yourself you are no expert on the Orlesian and Ferelden war. Ferelden according to lore and Logain they were sometimes fighting fully armed Orlesians when they had no armor or weapons so no Orlias didn't give them the Victory they worked long and hard and basically kicked Orlais ass not bad for a bunch of farmers eventually Orlais thought it was far to expensive to keep losing to them.

what people seem to forget is that seekers are ones who watch the watchmen.

[dragonflight288]

what people seem to forget is that seekers are ones who watch the watchmen.

 

And it is their job to root out corruption in the Chantry as a whole, including the templars. But when they don't enforce the rules on templars, when they start favoring templars over mages, when they turn a blind eye, they become part of the problem and are part of the corruption they are supposed to root out. 

 

A Seeker who doesn't enforce the rules on the templars is not a Seeker doing his job. A Seeker also does not watch over mages as a high priority as that is not their job.