So Justina I have heard we aren't going to interact with her much in DA:I since she was at summit that blew up.
I imagine she'll be the one who says we're the Inquisitor but for political reasons, we won't answer to her.
The Chantry "recognizing" us as the head of the Inquisition will be what makes people sit up and take notice, though.
Like the first thing to make you a nation is to get other nations to recognize you.
They mean that we won't be interacting with her because she'll be dead. Just like everyone else that isn't the Inquisitor.
I wouldn't expect the Player to become the Inquisitor until after the explosion.
The Chantry does do good work.
Most religions do good work that includes the chantry.
Despite what people believe that Chantry is good, but it iss run by people so yeah it does some bad too.
No biggie.
She was probably the worst Divine in the entire history of the Chantry.
to be fair we haven't heard much about the other divines.
I imagine she'll be the one who says we're the Inquisitor but for political reasons, we won't answer to her.
The Chantry "recognizing" us as the head of the Inquisition will be what makes people sit up and take notice, though.
Like the first thing to make you a nation is to get other nations to recognize you.
I wish it was so, but apparently the chantry are without a leader at the beginning of DA:I. So I think she died.
What happened to Conner was more his mother's fault then Connor's since he had no knowledge of demons and such he was a kid after all and couldn't even do the most simplest of spells so it wasn't a weakness of Connor. Quentin didn't do much harm other then killing some people that a simple commoner could do the only difference he could summon Demons and bring back the dead, but other then that he didn't do anything a commoner could do.
Without the Templars the chantry are pretty much powerless in many ways even Orlais have trouble of their own to be helping them.
His solution is kill all mages.
And yet would her mother lead to what connor did if connor wasn't mage? No she couldn't we can have isolde and won't have disaster we can have connor and we can still have disaster for 1000 other reasons.
Templars are still there not to mention that chantry can invoke EM not now during crisis but after yes.
Amongst other things, it confirms that mages weren't responsible for the Blight, the Old Gods were.
Of course mages didn't not went to the black city and brought blight... 
*sigh* I've given up trying to keep up on this thread. But now that we've devolved into genocide and sundering the veil through non-magical means is better for the world, we're back to the old "kill all the mages, weaken the veil and sunder it through nonmagical meas is better for the world and will save us from destruction," and "Umm, no it won't," back to "yes it will because mages cause all the problems in the world."
I've seen this dance with TKS too many times to know he'll ignore all evidence that says otherwise, and then pretend infantcide and genocide are morally acceptable when it comes to the mages and maybe elves, but not anyone else and make that point repeatedly.
As such, I consider this thread driven off the rails and I most likely will not post in this particular thread again unless it gets back on track.
I bid this thread, at least for now or until it's locked, adieu.
What wat since when i said it was morally acceptable pretty much from what i remember i was guy who saying that i don't involve morality into that and that what is moral or not is up to you.Then also i never was talking about genocide on elves if something i was for solution to use them as cheap labor.
Not to the Chantry it's part of the big deal on how the blight starts after.
They go to the Golden city and turns it black with dark personalities and for that the maker threw them out and does the first Darkspawn was made.
It was the Maker's city according to the Chantry.
I was refering to part they went to black city and caused blight maker part was untouched but we know that magisters went there and brought blight wheter it was golden before or maker cursed them or just they went to the place they shouldn't is up to you.
yes it does gives to the poor and overall tries to help the downtrotten thats something i believe in.The Chantry does do good work.
if justnia's dead then ots a major blow to morale on both sides. While i dont like she played the game i respect she tried to bring some sense to the chaos using her station to slowly change opinionSo Justina I have heard we aren't going to interact with her much in DA:I since she was at summit that blew up.
Maybe her successor will have more of a head on her shoulders.
Honestly if they had someone worthy to sit upon the sun burst throne; this whole mage templar fiasco would have never happened.
how so granted i believe that justinia overstepped and became directly involved. Personally im curious, what powers does a divine officially and unofficially haveMaybe her successor will have more of a head on her shoulders. Honestly if they had someone worthy to sit upon the sun burst throne; this whole mage templar fiasco would have never happened.
how so
She treated the mages like they were not a danger to keep warded from the world.
She did not encourage appropriate action for their breaching of the Chantry protection.
Ultimately it's about like Gaspard and the elves.
You cannot treat them like people in bits and pieces, you cannot encourage "freedom" increments it just encourages resentment, once upon a time i hoped to make the circle more tolerable, increase its freedoms but now, that is impossible.
They are rebelling because they were given too much free reign, their whining should have been met not with dialogue but steel.
And now because of that...many people have to die.
It's a pity but rebellions aren't coddled, they are put down.
query: how would you make said circle tolerableShe treated the mages like they were not a danger to keep warded from the world. She did not encourage appropriate action for their breaching of the Chantry protection. Ultimately it's about like Gaspard and the elves. You cannot treat them like people in bits and pieces, you cannot encourage "freedom" increments it just encourages resentment, once upon a time i hoped to make the circle more tolerable, increase its freedoms but now, that is impossible. They are rebelling because they were given too much free reign, their whining should have been met not with dialogue but steel. And now because of that...many people have to die. It's a pity but rebellions aren't coddled, they are put down.
query: how would you make said circle tolerable
Oh my list was sort of outdated, i complied it before i read Asunder and the Calling, so some of the changes i thought of were already implemented.
But ultimately it would have been a bit more free, excursions outside the circle, trips to cities, to other circles, other things.
It's a pity but rebellions aren't coddled, they are put down.
Or they win.
Or they win.
Pfft.
Maybe one out of the odd thousand or so.
And yet would her mother lead to what connor did if connor wasn't mage? No she couldn't we can have isolde and won't have disaster we can have connor and we can still have disaster for 1000 other reasons.
Templars are still there not to mention that chantry can invoke EM not now during crisis but after yes.
I was pointing how things went down in DA:O and that one was mostly on Isolde and Jawin. Those other fictive senario you have you can take elsewhere to someone who actually gives a damn.
I doubt they were allowed to stay after they left Chantry, that made their protection go away and pretty much doubt the chantry will do a EM after the mage templar since the Templar along with the mages kills a lot of people, innocents always get killed in war.
I was refering to part they went to black city and caused blight maker part was untouched but we know that magisters went there and brought blight wheter it was golden before or maker cursed them or just they went to the place they shouldn't is up to you.
maybe.
I was pointing how things went down in DA:O and that one was mostly on Isolde and Jawin. Those other fictive senario you have you can take elsewhere to someone who actually gives a damn.
I doubt they were allowed to stay after they left Chantry, that made their protection go away and pretty much doubt the chantry will do a EM after the mage templar since the Templar along with the mages kills a lot of people, innocents always get killed in war.
maybe.
As i said put isolde in 1 room she won't become abomnation put connor in 1 room he can become abomnation just pick your reason and there will be always reason and someone to blame mage is a bomb what difference who blew it up what matters that bombs blew up and they will plenty reasons that bomb can explode.
Chantry still is quite popular and holds spiritual (religious) power in most countries so well.
As i said put isolde in 1 room she won't become abomnation put connor in 1 room he can become abomnation just pick your reason and there will be always reason and someone to blame mage is a bomb what difference who blew it up what matters that bombs blew up and they will plenty reasons that bomb can explode.
Chantry still is quite popular and holds spiritual (religious) power in most countries so well.
Take your hate somewhere else. I quite frankly find it boring.
Only problem is that they seem to have their own problems to be helping the Chantry at the moment and causing a EM after the crisis is over will most likely not happen people will be to tired to fight at that point.
With him it usually does.
Anyway the chantry will have their fair share of trouble in DA:I will they still be able to do good?
Pfft.
Maybe one out of the odd thousand or so.
Pfft.
Maybe one out of the odd thousand or so.
Rebellions win all the time.
They just pretend they were legitimate.
:-)
I'm honestly interested to see if Gaspard takes the throne if this means he'll try to put down the Fereldan "rebellion" again by retaking it.
Rebellions win all the time.
They just pretend they were legitimate.
:-)
I'm honestly interested to see if Gaspard takes the throne if this means he'll try to put down the Fereldan "rebellion" again by retaking it.
He needs to remember full front army of Orlais was defeated with leadership of Loghain at river dane, not only that Ferelden captured some territory from Orlais that it still holds to this day. With Orlais weakened they cannot do such a thing.
Yeah, though it's clear that Gaspard has designs on Fereldan.
Worse, Fereldan is also weakened by the Blight.
I wouldn't be surprised if Orlais considers Fereldan's monarchy in rebellion from their "lawful" Orlais rulers.
Rebellions win all the time.
They just pretend they were legitimate.
:-)
I'm honestly interested to see if Gaspard takes the throne if this means he'll try to put down the Fereldan "rebellion" again by retaking it.
The DRC has been in a state of civil war longer then i have been alive, rebellions, civil wars and such don't tend to result in peace.
They tend to result more fighting; That's what we are seeing in Iraq and Syria, Libya last i heard was still having a rough time of it as well.
So when you "win" and immediately resume fighting, is it truly a victory?
Yeah, though it's clear that Gaspard has designs on Fereldan.
Worse, Fereldan is also weakened by the Blight.
I wouldn't be surprised if Orlais considers Fereldan's monarchy in rebellion from their "lawful" Orlais rulers.
true, but Orlais is in civil war in DA:I and who know how much that has damaged them.
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