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[raging_monkey]

Not behind the PC's back in every playthrough. Think about it: he teaches the warrior Warden how to ba a Templar. After that clarification, it means the PC had to use lyrium too. Alistair had to share part of the good stuff while lying about "yeah, the effects aren't so bad, you can fight the addiction, you won't really need lyrium to keep these cool templar powers". Now I feel the need to replay DA:O with a Templar Warrior.

ots confirmed templar powers are lyrim based just tossing that out

[TK514]

Except he says he would have been forced to take the vows if Duncan hadn't showed up. And the chantry take the children born in the circle and raise (indoctrinate) them to be priests or templars. That is unless they too turn out to be mages, then they just lock them up in another tower and try to indoctrinate them to hate themselves because they are "cursed with magic" due to some sin made by other people centuries ago.

 

Of course Alistair complains. He had no choice, he didn't want to take that path in life. The fact that he considers joining the Wardens and receiving a death sentence to be a lucky escape speaks volumes about how he had it in the Chantry.

 

He would have been forced to take vows because Eamon didn't want the royal embarrassment running around the countryside.  That was pretty much why Alistair was forced into the Chantry to begin with, and is repeated with Sebastian.  DA 2 makes it pretty clear that right up until you take your vows, participation is voluntary for most, and you can be dismissed for even suspected failure at any time.

 

As for the lyrium itself, if there were another way for normal people to completely shut down mana users, I suspect the Templars would use that instead unless it somehow ended up being even more expensive.  As it stands, the Templars have no choice but to use lyrium because it is the only way for them to acquire the powers necessary to perform their duties. 

[Master Warder Z_]

He would have been forced to take vows because Eamon didn't want the royal embarrassment running around the countryside.  That was pretty much why Alistair was forced into the Chantry to begin with, and is repeated with Sebastian.  DA 2 makes it pretty clear that right up until you take your vows, participation is voluntary for most, and you can be dismissed for even suspected failure at any time.

 

As for the lyrium itself, if there were another way for normal people to completely shut down mana users, I suspect the Templars would use that instead unless it somehow ended up being even more expensive.  As it stands, the Templars have no choice but to use lyrium because it is the only way for them to acquire the powers necessary to perform their duties. 

 

It's a noble sacrifice they undertake for the protection of the people around them.

 

Dismissing it as a simple addiction is insulting.

[Br3admax]

No less than the Wardens taking in the Taint to insure our continued existence. 

[Kieran G.]

Lol this thread. btw just so you know i am pro-Chantry but i'm not an extremest like some, so i'm just going to say you all have valid points, EXCEPT for monkey, because he is a monkey. 

 

Also do remember to bring up the point of Mage's figuring out how to counteract tranquility so that might not work any longer to contain criminal mage's

[The Baconer]

 Also do remember to bring up the point of Mage's figuring out how to counteract tranquility so that might not work any longer to contain criminal mage's

 

If there are mages who would incriminate themselves by doing this, they can count on a more permanent solution being adopted very quickly.

[TK514]

Lol this thread. btw just so you know i am pro-Chantry but i'm not an extremest like some, so i'm just going to say you all have valid points, EXCEPT for monkey, because he is a monkey. 

 

Also do remember to bring up the point of Mage's figuring out how to counteract tranquility so that might not work any longer to contain criminal mage's

 

I don't know, the cure is pretty extreme, and the aftereffects are completely unknown.  It's unlikely that the Tranquility 'cure' they've found will ever see widespread use.

[Kieran G.]

I don't know, the cure is pretty extreme, and the aftereffects are completely unknown.  It's unlikely that the Tranquility 'cure' they've found will ever see widespread use.

I was just put some more wood on the fire is all, i already had my arguments on this thread. just some people here are perfect examples of red templars and extremest mage's

[Hellion Rex]

I don't know, the cure is pretty extreme, and the aftereffects are completely unknown.  It's unlikely that the Tranquility 'cure' they've found will ever see widespread use.

In my opinion, its way too risky at this point, with demonic possession just as likely to happen as curing. That being said, with Veil torn to hell, we might see forced curings of the Tranquil, letting demons run loose with a mage's full power at their fingertips.

[raging_monkey]

Lol this thread. btw just so you know i am pro-Chantry but i'm not an extremest like some, so i'm just going to say you all have valid points, EXCEPT for monkey, because he is a monkey.  Also do remember to bring up the point of Mage's figuring out how to counteract tranquility so that might not work any longer to contain criminal mage's

hey!.... you got a bananna someone nicked mine.
On a related note yeah i never advocated lobotomy but a weak minded mage is something nobody want cause that danerous in and of itself

[ShadowLordXII]

Not behind the PC's back in every playthrough. Think about it: he teaches the warrior Warden how to ba a Templar. After that clarification, it means the PC had to use lyrium too. Alistair had to share part of the good stuff while lying about "yeah, the effects aren't so bad, you can fight the addiction, you won't really need lyrium to keep these cool templar powers".

 

Now I feel the need to replay DA:O with a Templar Warrior.

 

Actually this is all retroactive in light of Gaider's retcon.

 

When Origins first came out, Alistair said that lyrium wasn't necessary for templar abilities. A sentiment backed by gameplay in Origins and in DAII as the PC as the use of lyrium is never mentioned or hinted.

[KainD]

I've seen this dance with TKS too many times to know he'll ignore all evidence that says otherwise, and then pretend infantcide and genocide are morally acceptable when it comes to the mages and maybe elves, but not anyone else and make that point repeatedly.

TKS has morals? I kinda got an impression that he doesn't have a problem with any kind of genocide or any other actions for that matter.

[Sir DeLoria]

TKS has morals? I kinda got an impression that he doesn't have a problem with any kind of genocide or any other actions for that matter.

I think I remember you talking about not having morals either a few times and that's generally the impression I get from most of your chatter. Just sayin.

[KainD]

I think I remember you talking about not having morals either a few times and that's generally the impression I get from most of your chatter. Just sayin.

That is correct, I don't. I just wonder if TKS does, helps to understand the stance better.

[raging_monkey]

I think I remember you talking about not having morals either a few times and that's generally the impression I get from most of your chatter. Just sayin.

some player rp and forget that forum posts can easly be taken out of context... though some just like to be heath ledgers joker

[Sir DeLoria]

That is correct, I don't. I just wonder if TKS does, helps to understand the stance better.

Fair enough.

some player rp and forget that forum posts can easly be taken out of context... though some just like to be heath ledgers joker

Whom I liked slightly less than Jack Nicholson's version to be honest.

[raging_monkey]

Fair enough.Whom I liked slightly less than Jack Nicholson's version to be honest.

yeah he went insane neverr go full insane.

But i have query that was probably never answered due to oversight
What powers does the divine have i assumed what she said was generally word of andraste unless extreme

[KainD]

yeah he went insane neverr go full insane.

 

Did Joker have a mental illness? 

[raging_monkey]

Well the comix depend on the writer always depicted him supersane where he lacked human thought process, another wrote him as a sociopath that was just out to do what he wanted,and recently hes been a mixure of both

[Drasanil]

Free Education, room and board and he ****es, seriously why do people like him again?

 

Well he's better than Anora, who's basically just a trumped up traitor's daughter who thinks a marriage in which she failed to do her only real job [produce an heir] gives her a right to the throne.

[KainD]

Well the comix depend on the writer always depicted him supersane where he lacked human thought process, another wrote him as a sociopath that was just out to do what he wanted,and recently hes been a mixure of both

 

He's perfectly sane then. 

[raging_monkey]

Lmao agreed

[HiroVoid]

Well he's better than Anora, who's basically just a trumped up traitor's daughter who thinks a marriage in which she failed to do her only real job [produce an heir] gives her a right to the throne.

She may have been too busy doing Cailan's job.

[Drasanil]

She may have been too busy doing Cailan's job.

 

Cailan was the King, he had advisers to do his job for him. If that's Anora's excuse, it's not a very good one.

[raging_monkey]

That and theres the rumour she's infertile
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