Listen, so what if me and Alistair snorted Lyrium? It was the Blight Man! Stuff like that happens during it.
Hardened Leliana approves!
I admit, that may have led to some weirdness with the dwarf at the Pearl and....waking up with a bunch of dead Templars but the laws against this stuff are repressive!
Cailan was the King, he had advisers to do his job for him. If that's Anora's excuse, it's not a very good one.
Infertility can go both ways, you know.
That and theres the rumour she's infertile
political corrected a word
Huh? What's the non-political word?
Infertility can go both ways, you know.
Absolutely true. But, Anora is the one that married in so it would generally be considered her fault. Accusing the king of infertility is bad for business, especially since Maric apparently had a talent for being a bit too fertile 
Yes it does but historically we for some reason blame women.
Well men had the possibility of fathering bastards with relatively little stigma to 'prove' their fertility, and even if they failed at that, it was generally considered a bad idea to insult the one who wielded the actual power.
barren it didnt sit well with me personally came across as "msygonistic" and i hate offending othersHuh? What's the non-political word?
Calian had affairs, according to Anora, though she claims he had the "decency" to do them discreetly as not to humiliate her.
(Oops on Leliana mistress!)
But there's no mention of illegitimate children there.
Anora's next marriage will be proof, I suppose even if Grey Wardens having kids is rare.
Indeed, I'm guessing one way or the other the end scenarios were inherently designed to allow for a succession crisis if Bioware chose to go with it. Alistair/the Warden being grey wardens so less likely to be fertile and Anora being rumoured to be barren.
In truth I'm inclined to give Cailan the benefit of the doubt on this one, since apparently what made Calenhad's bloodline special was that it got a boost from him consuming dragon's blood IIRC. Also, I like the idea narratively speaking that Loghain despite all his love for his country ended up being toxic to it. Which, symbollically, is a theme that would be furthered through his bloodline/Anora being unable to further the royal lineage thereby creating a succession crisis.
Indeed, I'm guessing one way or the other the end scenarios were inherently designed to allow for a succession crisis if Bioware chose to go with it. Alistair/the Warden being grey wardens so less likely to be fertile and Anora being rumoured to be barren.
In truth I'm inclined to give Cailan the benefit of the doubt on this one, since apparently what made Calenhad's bloodline special was that it got a boost from him consuming dragon's blood IIRC. Also, I like the idea narratively speaking that Loghain despite all his love for his country ended up being toxic to it. Which, symbollically, is a theme that would be furthered through his bloodline/Anora being unable to further the royal lineage thereby creating a succession crisis.
Eh, I'm inclined to do the reverse. Calian being the foolish boy king makes about as much sense.
Of course, even if Anora isn't barren. She's kind of problematic no matter which way she turns.
Her other marriage match is a Grey Warden.
Worse, she won't take a suitor if they both don't marry her.
Eh, I'm inclined to do the reverse. Calian being the foolish boy king makes about as much sense.
That's why I kind of want to give him a pass. Bioware already piled on his 'negatives', making him a complete kingly blunder [ie: shooting blanks on top of it all] would feel like overkill. Especially since for all his naivete and immaturity he seemed to be rather genial and nice.... like a puppy.
Of course, even if Anora isn't barren. She's kind of problematic no matter which way she turns.
Her other marriage match is a Grey Warden.
Worse, she won't take a suitor if they both don't marry her.
Indeed, which likely means Bioware was setting up a succession crisis for future use. And failling that, if they don't want to do anything with it, they could just have another one of Maric's illegitimate children, or even one of Cailan's unmentioned ones, pop up and fill the void later on.
They've made a lot of Alistair's blood so I don't know.
Of course, they may just be setting it up for a human PC in a future game to take over.
I thought it was mostly Eamon that made a big deal out of Alistair's blood? I mean the other nobles didn't dispute his lineage but the fact he was Maric's just seemed to make him a plausible claimant as opposed to say automatically making Anora an evil usurper.
Actually this is all retroactive in light of Gaider's retcon.
When Origins first came out, Alistair said that lyrium wasn't necessary for templar abilities. A sentiment backed by gameplay in Origins and in DAII as the PC as the use of lyrium is never mentioned or hinted.
Technically DAO itself was a retcon of the lore that was released prior to the game stating that templars took lyrium for their powers. They removed the need for lyrium as well as the darkspawn taint system as being too clunky and rather then just saying it wasn't shown they put in the part about Allistair, which completely disagreed with the previous lore and has been addressed.
I thought it was mostly Eamon that made a big deal out of Alistair's blood? I mean the other nobles didn't dispute his lineage but the fact he was Maric's just seemed to make him a plausible claimant as opposed to say automatically making Anora an evil usurper.
A lot of nobles in Ferelden probably take pride in the king being descended of Calenhad. On the other hand, a lot of nobles probably aren't fond of Loghain and Anora since they essentially went from peasents to Teyrn making them more powerful than every other noble.
I thought it was mostly Eamon that made a big deal out of Alistair's blood? I mean the other nobles didn't dispute his lineage but the fact he was Maric's just seemed to make him a plausible claimant as opposed to say automatically making Anora an evil usurper.
Technically, no one once claimed that she was an evil usurper. She was the daughter of a Teyrn and Ferelden's greatest general. It was Loghain himself that many nobles took issue with concerning his nobility as he was a farmer before joining the rebellion.
And it's really difficult to say that she was usurping the throne when she was already the queen and had been for five years through marriage to Cailan. That's why no one attacked her for her legitimacy, but they attacked her father for it.
Listen, so what if me and Alistair snorted Lyrium? It was the Blight Man! Stuff like that happens during it.
Hardened Leliana approves!
I admit, that may have led to some weirdness with the dwarf at the Pearl and....waking up with a bunch of dead Templars but the laws against this stuff are repressive!
I'm kind of sad David Gaider backpedaled on the idea Templar abilities need Lyrium because that implied a lot about the Chantry being an incredibly greedy and hypocritical group of people. It implied they were selling magical heroin to their Templars to keep them loyal and using the Circle System to keep the Mages so they had political and military power in Thedas independent of the kings and queens.
barren it didnt sit well with me personally came across as "msygonistic" and i hate offending others
its not misogynistic to call someone barren or infertile
Technically, no one once claimed that she was an evil usurper. She was the daughter of a Teyrn and Ferelden's greatest general. It was Loghain himself that many nobles took issue with concerning his nobility as he was a farmer before joining the rebellion.
And it's really difficult to say that she was usurping the throne when she was already the queen and had been for five years through marriage to Cailan. That's why no one attacked her for her legitimacy, but they attacked her father for it.
which is weird because after Cailan's death she had no legitimate claim on the throne, nor did she have a child to be regent for.
It seems to me that the Bannorn just wanted her to stay queen because they knew she was good at it
which is weird because after Cailan's death she had no legitimate claim on the throne, nor did she have a child to be regent for.
It seems to me that the Bannorn just wanted her to stay queen because they knew she was good at it
Loghain was never a politician.
War veterans made politicians usually turn out bad.
And people think Gaspard is going to be a good Emperor.
And people think Gaspard is going to be a good Emperor.
I know right. Although I didn't mean to say they are usually evil or something, they shouldn't be involved with politics because it can have negative effect on their character. The real world is full of proofs.
A good man doesn't always make a good leader. and i really liked Gaspard at the end of the book. but i still didn't want him to rule. I mean Empress Celene didn't need to threaten the people of Halamshiral to capture it. all she had to do was show she was alive.
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