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[UnknownIntrigue]

I was going through articles and codexes on DAO when I came around something interesting. I read on wikipedia that in a letter that you retrieve during Return to Ostogar, it is revealed that Orlais was actually sending troops to Ferelden to fight the blight and the two sides have reached an agreement and wer at peace. also it mentioned that there something like a romance between Caillun and Empress of Orlais that they have planned that he would divorce Annora and marry the empress. Thus uniting the nations. 

 

At first I was...kind of annoyed and thought maybe Loghain knew about the arrangement and in this way he both took revenge and defended her daughter. But after Seeing how Annora acts and maneuvers/manipulates people, I came to agree with Caillun`s decision. Your thoughts?

[Elhanan]

This only seems to happen if one allows Loghain to live. Thus if one allows the regicidal General to continue to breathe, all else becomes chaotic, too. *j/k*



Some have indicated that Loghain states that he knew nothing about this beforehand; thus retaliation was not key to his plans.

[themikefest]

Here is Loghian's dialogue during the Return to Ostagar dlc. He is very surprised.

[luna1124]

okay, my OCD kicking in. Cailan and Anora

 

I think she loved him like a brother, but was not in love with him. They had known each other since childhood.

[TotoroTori]

Well Celine did try to seduce Cailan (according to the Masked Empire) but that didn't work out due to that pesky blight and the Ogre not approving of that ship sailing.(Bad joke sorry)

 

And sadly she hasn't produced an heir since they had been married for five years, but Cailan also had affairs and no bastards from the ladies so Cailan may have actually been sterile. But yeah in those days if you were queen and no baby after five years....you kind of got replaced and it was usually expected with the first year or two years and people believed that you could not have children after 30....so lots of things.

And I don't know how Anora felt about Cailan,, I know she was upset about him dying but that is about it.

[Eternal Phoenix]

okay, my OCD kicking in. Cailan and Anora

 

I think she loved him like a brother, but was not in love with him. They had known each other since childhood.

 

Caillen and Annora sound better. Orsino? No, Orinoco.

[luna1124]

Caillen and Annora sound better. Orsino? No, Orinoco.

[Lavaeolus]

But after Seeing how Annora acts and maneuvers/manipulates people, I came to agree with Caillun`s decision. Your thoughts?

 

It seems rather hypocritical to condemn Anora for her power-playing, then support Cailan for dumping a loyal wife in order to gain more power himself. I might agree with Cailan's move, greater good all that, if I thought an "alliance" between Orlais and Ferelden would actually help our beloved dog-smelling nation. Alas, I am far too cynical to believe that, so it just seems really thick. Unless Cailan really was just wanting promotion to "emperor" for himself, in which case he's probably worse than Anora.

[gottaloveme]

If you talk to the guard outside Cailan's tent in Ostagar he will tell you that Loghain and Cailan were arguing/fighting about Anora. Eamon had already started the dialogue with Cailan about setting Anora aside due to barreness. If you talk to Bodahn and get his rumours he will tell you that Anora's inability to have childrenn was the Maker's punishment for her being a commoner.

 

As for Cailan and Celene? Spoiler ahead - she is an Empress of the mind-like-a-steel-trap variety. Cailan - well all I can say is velvet Cailans.

 

Long live King Alistair (taint be damned).

[TotoroTori]

It seems rather hypocritical to condemn Anora for her power-playing, then support Cailan for dumping a loyal wife in order to gain more power himself. I might agree with Cailan's move, greater good all that, if I thought an "alliance" between Orlais and Ferelden would actually help our beloved dog-smelling nation. Alas, I am far too cynical to believe that, so it just seems really thick. Unless Cailan really was just wanting promotion to "emperor" for himself, in which case he's probably worse than Anora.

Nah I think Cailan just wanted to be something worthy of his father legacy and wanted his named remembered like Fereldens remembered his father to be honest.

I don't think he was trying to gain more power but trying to make his legacy and I think that is why he wanted to ride with the wardens, his dad went down the Deep Roads with the Wardens. And who knows maybe he thought the 'alliance' would give him another Legacy..to be remembered as the King who united Ferelden and Orlais.

 

Actually someone told me that Anora was a consort Queen since she married to the throne.

[HiroVoid]

Wasn't Celene's marriage with Cailan partially planned to help with a war against Nevarra?  Not really seeing the big good in uniting Ferelden and Orlais just to be used in a war Orlais wants to have.

[X Equestris]

Wasn't Celene's marriage with Cailan partially planned to help with a war against Nevarra?  Not really seeing the big good in uniting Ferelden and Orlais just to be used in a war Orlais wants to have.

That's what Celene wanted. Personally, if I were in charge of Ferelden, I would be seeking a closer relationship with Nevarra and the Free Marches instead of Orlais.

[Magdalena11]

Celene might have wanted to form a political alliance with Ferelden by marriage, but Cailan seems to have been attached to Anora at the time Eamon's letter was written.  Whatever the player's choice, I doubt anything would ever come to light one way or the other.  If you take Alistair to RTO, he goes one way, and Loghain, the other.  How prevalent were arranged marriages among nobility?  Was Cailan smarter than he let on?  It really depends on how you play it, since any information available is only so after Ostagar, when the point is moot.

[riverbanks]

Cailan and Anora's marriage was always a political alliance before it was a relationship. He and Celene were simply discussing a more benefitial alliance. No real point in whether he was justified or not based on Anora's personality, character, or whether she felt anything for Cailan etc - it would have been a solely political decision. And if the tables were turned (Anora the heir and Cailan the one married into the throne) and she could divorce him for a more benefitial alliance, she would've done it in a heartbeat too, no matter how Cailan may or may not have felt about her. Game of thrones, and all.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Some have indicated that Loghain states that he knew nothing about this beforehand; thus retaliation was not key to his plans.

It would be more accurate to say that he heavily implies he knew nothing about this beforehand.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Cailan might've been a nice king, but he was a fool. I like to believe that the Warden and Anora have a more loving marriage.

[Kantr]

I find myself agreeing with Loghain, Cailan was a fool (seeing as he helped raise him though, that was his fault). The marriage would have benefited Orlais and not Ferelden as unlike England and France(who they are based upon) they weren't matched in military might.