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[Magdalena11]

You must be stopped!

Thanks for clearing that up.  I was starting to worry....you sounded almost subdued in on of those posts.  Stay golden.

[Willowhugger]

My Inquisitor is a mage so he doesn't have any loyalty to the nations of Thedas anymore than he does to the Chantry. As a result, he's going to be accepting about the Qunari.

He hates and despises the Qun but knows it's best to keep your enemies closer.

[Panda]

I imagine my qunari Inquisitors not getting along with Bull and neither will my Andrastian quizzy. They will have big problem of Iron Bull spying them to Qunaris since they hate the religion/philosophy. In other hand I can see my dalish elf being more accepting and thinking it's good deal.

[Vaseldwa]

As of right now, my Cadash wont have a problem with it. 

[Roamingmachine]

I like the big guy. But i hate the qunari. Help the qunari=stabbity stab.

[Icy Magebane]

I don't have a problem with Iron Bull's spying since the Inquisitor won't be responsible for anything but the Inquisition.  If we're just a peacekeeping group dedicated to fighting demons, I don't see the need to get involved in politics... that includes defending the secrets of nations we do not rule.  So long as he's useful, he can do what he wants with his spare time.

[Ieldra]

@OP:
My main Inquisitor will be an implacable enemy to the Qun. She's diplomatically-minded though, which means that if she finds out Iron Bull's working for the Qun, she won't kill him out of hand but try to counter-infiltrate and control which kind of information he gets. Unless that proves unfeasible, in that case there will be a quiet assassination at some point. Should the game let me.

[-TC1989-]

Hmm.... well considering I'm not a fan of the Qun... I would force him to give that up, or I would kill him.

[TTTX]

I have no problems with it. He's upfront about his requirement, and information is a two-way street. If I was a less nice character, I might take advantage of opportunities to feed false information his way, too.

Its not really spying if someone says "look, I'd love to kill monsters for you but if I do the Qun demands I send reports home."
My Inquisitors will probably be chilling with the bull in a tavern after a hard days fighting and seeing how outrageous we can make the reports. "Today the Inquisitor felled thirty-six trees using only her eyebrows." And so on

just let Varric help the Bull write some of the rapports and laugh.

[Willowhugger]

Hmm.... well considering I'm not a fan of the Qun... I would force him to give that up, or I would kill him.

 

On my end, I'm not a fan of the Qun but I hate everyone in Thedas so who cares? Let them all burn each other down so a better society can emerge from the ashes.

[Mentxi]

My qunari mage won't be very happy about that, if he can persuade him to stop working for them, fine. If not, well, I expect.... fireworks...

[-TC1989-]

On my end, I'm not a fan of the Qun but I hate everyone in Thedas so who cares? Let them all burn each other down so a better society can emerge from the ashes.

 

As far as I'm concerned about factions, or people going to war? I could care less myself. But if I feel like something, or someone might be planning to effect me personally? Then I got something to say about that. Let the Mages and Templars kill themselves, and let the Qun fight whoever they want. If I know someone is watching me, or studying me to send back to someone else? That won't fly with me.

[Vroom Vroom]

I'll accept it as long as there's nothing I particularly need to hide from the Qun.  If at some point later secrecy must be maintained, then I might have to stop him reporting back.

It would be neat if Bioware implemented such a situation where we had to make that hard choice. 

[PoisonSmog]

I think I have a relatively thoughtful answer for this ( For myself at least).
1st) I don't think my inquisitor will actually care about being spied on Bull. They don't really have much to hide and always stand by their actions; even ones some people would consider morally wrong. Also, I'm certain my Inquisitor will be strong enough to protect themselves should the Qunari decide to strike against them.

2nd) I think Iron Bull is going to be the LI that the Inquistor will actively pursue (Depending on who the last two LIs are.) So hopefully I could use that to my advantage and get to the point to where he won't end up betraying me to the Qun in the end (Should he decide to return to it).

Of course, this is all speculation so....

Sorry for rambling!

[SerCambria358]

As long as he gives me info on Qunari actions, plus if they know about the inquisition...then so be it, i can tell people all about a hurricane but that doesnt mean they can stop it.

[Mistic]

That will depend on each player and their characters. But we can already roleplay a bit with the backgrounds:

 

-Humans: They come from Ostwick, a Marcher city that was attacked (but not conquered) during the Qunari Wars. WoT says that the city's double walls "show the effect this had on its people's nerves." So a Human Inquisitor would be in theory the least inclined to accept Iron Bull's deal.

 

-Dwarves and Elves: Since they started as spies and now lead the organization, it would seem hypocritical of them to criticize Iron Bull for doing the same. Carta and Dalish don't have a history with the Qunari either, as far as we know, so they would be in theory the most open to the proposal.

 

-Qunari: Ah, the interesting one. Vasoth who didn't grow up under the Qun. Do they trust Iron Bull because of their commonalities or do they kick him out because they know better than anyone what the Qun can do?

[CrazyRah]

My Inquisitor won't have too much against it, she's afterall sent to spy herself. Just as long as he's very upfront about it and maybe a slightly exaggerated report here and there and everything will be just fine

[DuskWanderer]

It depends on if I can get him to abandon the Qun. If I can, then we can feed false information, and still learn everything about those crazies

[AlexiaRevan]

I personally will wait a bit more . Hopefully he will cancel his mission on his own free will . If he doesn't , then I will let him report watever he want . I be playing a Qunari Mage , and whoever are his master will be my target after my work is done . 

[Feybrad]

I will gladly allow him to spy on me and tell the Qunari how I spread their Faith throughout southern Thedas!

 

For the Glory of the Qunari!

 

And when I dealt with the Demons, I will send him to Par Vollen, so he can invite the Arishok to a "Party" amongst the smoking Ruins of Val Royeaux.

[Who Knows]

-Dwarves and Elves: Since they started as spies and now lead the organization, it would seem hypocritical of them to criticize Iron Bull for doing the same. Carta and Dalish don't have a history with the Qunari either, as far as we know, so they would be in theory the most open to the proposal.

It isn't hypocritical unless you believe the Qunari/Carta/Dalish are the same.

[Mistic]

It isn't hypocritical unless you believe the Qunari/Carta/Dalish are the same.

 

Is it? At least Iron Bull is open about it. You want the deal, you take it. He's upfront and begs to help. And he offers help, not only his, but his network's. The Carta and Dalish spies don't ask for permission and will be accepted as leaders regardless their suspicious backgrounds. If you are saying that at least the Carta's and Dalish' agendas are better than the Qunari's, it's a matter of opinion. But whose opinion? The player's or the character's?

 

Dwarf: "I'm a drug trafficker and I work for a criminal gang notorious for its deals in drugs, extorsion, prostitution and murder, and I've come to this place to spy. But at least I'm better than a Qunari spy that wanted to help by his own volition."

 

Dalish: "Of course, how could I trust a member of an organization that conquers other people's lands and forbids their religion? How evil! Oh, wait, it reminds me of something... Isn't that right, human friends from Orlais and the Chantry?"

 

Of course, the events can be played differently. The Dwarf may have had friends in Kirkwall, and a surfacer may have had some Chantry education.

 

The elf is much more difficult, though. Qunari are famous for treating the elves equally under the Qun, and the things other people condemn them for (conquering, forbidding religion, imposing their own culture, treating the mages badly) is not very different from the things the Dalish blame the humans for. The only thing that comes to mind is that we might meet NPCs and companions who could give us a biased point of view before meeting the Iron Bull. That or that the elf may become fed up after having to deal with so many parties with their own agendas.

[DameGrace]

First, I'd like to know how much I can control. Can I make additions to his reports? Can I proof-read them? Can I erase the steamy bits?

 

My human mage would accept the spying, but wouldn't trust Iron Bull.

 

My qunari (Vashot) mage would not accept the spying. She is going to be very anti-Qunari. I wonder if Iron Bull would ever call her "horneless cow". Because I'm totally going to irritate him to no end. 

 

My elven mage would make crude drawings on the margins. 

[MisterJB]

Only if I can use Leliana to discover the means by which he sends his reports and alter them.

Otherwise, no.