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[Pistolized]

It's known that the various MP characters are not just defined by their class, but are individual classes themselves.  What I'm getting at is it seems like this is NOT designed around a strict Damage-Tank-Support class system.  That's great.  I've always hated the mentality of: "You are X, you must do X."  Now, this is obviously hard coded to a degree (see: Legionnaire), but diluted twelve ways instead of three.

 

For example:

"The Legionnaire and the Reaver are both warriors, but depending on your party composition and your style, one may be more suitable than the other."

 

So, just a heads up to everyone, if you see me join your lobby, I will be running around fighting dudes, harassing badguys, protecting teammates, fulfilling objectives, and filling a myriad of other roles as I see fit.  You cannot stop this,.  And I encourage you to do the same.  So, beware: If you ask me if I am "the tank" ...  I. Will. Find. You.

[NextArishok]

got it.  If you see Pistolized he is the "fighting dudes, harassing badguys, protecting teammates, fulfilling objectives, and filling a myriad of other roles" dude

 

I get you though....the news of all classes being able to self heal as well even further seems that it will open up the game a bit more to an expansive way to play all classes.  If we are honest though the theif/rouge/assassin types are the most played and ran into the ground types.  I bet when you join a pug room its 3 from that class and you (who might be playing one as well)...we shall see

[Maria Caliban]

1) A legionnaire is a "tank."
2) Given your avatar, I'm going to guess you're more familiar with TOR than ME MP. No one will ask if you're a tank because no one will speak with you on the PC.
3) Being a tank in DA MP is not the same as being a tank in TOR. It's far more like being the fighter in a game of PnP DnD.
4) It's a group game. Running off to do your own thing is not advisable.

[Kilek Darkfire]

Are you the tank?

 

Hehe, sorry I couldn't resist. Personally, as long as my teammates are actively trying to help do something instead of just standing there staring at a wall, or randomly attacking me, or just generally trying to hinder things, I'm perfectly fine with them. In ME3 MP I tend to try to adapt my play style based on my teammates, if one of them seems to be having trouble staying alive (maybe because they're a low level, or unfamiliar with the character they're using,) I tend to stick around them and help out. If everyone seems intent on killing everything rather than completing an objective, I'll take care of it myself, and so on and so forth. I never stuck to one role either, and I don't expect that to change in DAMP. I think a big part of it will be that you're going to want to be able to adapt, rather than stick to one role. Or at least I really hope so, I don't like getting stuck with one role either.

[Pistolized]

OK so you have a team with Archer, Alchemist, Assassin.  So what?  Archer could sit back and dominate (dudes) while the Alchemist runs around setting traps (on guys) and the Assassin silently backstabs all the backs, fronts, and sides.  Or the Alchemist could spring traps, lob grenades, and heal his buds while the Assassin goes around tripping the fodder and keeping the big-bad occupied while the Archer shoots poisonous arrows at everything whittling their health down and popping the occasional headshot and looking for the lever that will set that pool of oil on fire.

 

 

"...A Legionnaire can handle a weapon and shield and plays the role of a classic tank. Generating aggro and soaking up damage are his main role..."  

 

Ah HA!  Anyway, I won't be running off.  I'll be there in the thick of it with you, I just won't be bound by a defined role. ...Yes I have been playing more TOR lately but I've played a lot of ME3 too.  And like Darkfire said, its all about adapting.  Maybe you'll see me acting just like a Support for a while.  But it will be because that is what is needed at that moment, not because "I am a Support."

 

Edit:  I've already found you....  ☻

[Wulfram]

Role-less MP seems to end up just being a mindless DPS fest, in my (admittedly not extensive) experience.

[The Night Haunter]

The way ME3MP turns out is people just run around shootin' ****. DA will be a bit different, since some classes are more hp dependent than others (whereas in ME they were pretty much equal on defense). However, I see it most likely just being people running around as a group and whacking things and running away until they either die or kill the enemies.

[BackdoorPaco]

Multiclass system is nice, but I have a feeling shenanigans about party synergy will still happen.

20 gold says half the lobbies won't start a match because the party wants a traditional trinity party, but nobody wants to go warrior.

 

"You joined last change to warrior"

"no you"

"omg guy just leave"

"no you"

"voke kick please omg such noobs i swear lrn2play"

[Pistolized]

Well I just watched an interview and the guy said that you should stick to your roles regarding support/dps/tank.  Well phooey, still not gonna do it I tell you.  I won't go crazy and try to tank with an Elementalist, but I will off-off-tank and you'll thank me for my genius. ...  "maniacal laughter" ...  blahblahblah ... You cannot stop this ...  yadda yadda ... I.Will.Find.You. ...  you get the idea.

 

http://www.pcgamer.c...pax-prime-2014/

[NextArishok]

Well I just watched an interview and the guy said that you should stick to your roles regarding support/dps/tank.  Well phooey, still not gonna do it I tell you.  I won't go crazy and try to tank with an Elementalist, but I will off-off-tank and you'll thank me for my genius. ...  "maniacal laughter" ...  blahblahblah ... You cannot stop this ...  yadda yadda ... I.Will.Find.You. ...  you get the idea.

 

http://www.pcgamer.c...pax-prime-2014/

this is how i picture you lol

 

 

RIP Warrior

[Pistolized]

He is my hero!  ULTIMATE WARRIOR ULTIMATE-WARRIORING ALL OVER YOU! You can fit dude!  

 

Edit: You realize throwing dudes out of the ring is totally a support role right? That was kind of his thing.  Ultimate Warrior is also Ultimate Crowd Controller.

[NoForgiveness]

Going by the talents in the other games, the Legionnaire is probably mostly focused on damage resistance. Plus the 1h and shield tree is also focused on tanking. So basically... ya you are the tank. Deal with it.

[dekarserverbot]

Going by the talents in the other games, the Legionnaire is probably mostly focused on damage resistance. Plus the 1h and shield tree is also focused on tanking. So basically... ya you are the tank. Deal with it.

but leggionary is welding a two handed axe and shield (since one handed weapons are restricted to swords now)

[Pistolized]

That's probably true for the Legionnaire.  Mediocre damage output and 'tank' abilities leave much to be desired (for me).  ... Maybe you can get some spirit damage runes and really go to town with area attacks.  Or double-down on paralyze runes and do the same.  Ooh, or some knockback runes, shield-bash, and greathammer(hopefully with passive stagger?) and set up stagger combos on everything in sight.  Yes, even the Liege will succumb to my nuanc-ical whimsy.

[Maria Caliban]

Or you could play a Reaver and slaughter everything in sight with your Aura of Pain and your claw attacks. Instead of focusing on defense, focus on offense that generates HP with each enemy you kill.

[Beerfish]

Or you could play a Reaver and slaughter everything in sight with your Aura of Pain and your claw attacks. Instead of focusing on defense, focus on offense that generates HP with each enemy you kill.

Oh is that how it works?  It sounds like Krogan Rage or Vorcha bloodlust kind of thing, would that be accurate?

[Cyonan]

If they do make the holy trinity a near requirement of the game then I really hope that they let you choose your role when you queue up for quick game and have matchmaking put you in the appropriate game so that you don't end up with 3 tanks or 4 DPS.

 

If they don't then I would have the worry that characters like the Legionnaire might end up like the Juggernaut from Mass Effect 3 kind of did.

[AppealToReason]

I will always be a warrior. You nerds can be dainty little rogues or squishy mages.

 

I wonder if any of the Reaver's abilities will be like bloodlust or rage from ME3MP. More kills, more stacks, more kills, more stacks!

[Pistolized]

Well, I read (a post on this forum) that the matchmaking system will try to round out parties the best it can.  But its probably looking for Warrior/Rogue/Mage so in a 4-player-group there will be a duplicate class.  Now, that means two things to me.  One:  the duplicate class will be significantly different within that class, meaning; if there is not a duplicate character,  the two will play and act differently, despite being the same class.  Two:  Class does not determine role, and role does not determine class.

 

On another topic, I think it's important to point out that it looks like every character has some portion of their focus on dealing damage.  I like that, but as it has been said, that can lead to some rather strategy-less pickup games.  But it also means that each should be able to function in different ways, possibly within a single match.