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[Posioned]

ReyalsKanras wrote...

Why all the hate towards Vaughn? I can see where he is coming from. But Morrigan? Outright betrayal! Cruel reward for love and respect.

Seriously? He kidnaps and rapes elven women. I hated that turd with my city elf playthrough..

I know Morrigan has ulterior motives for her reason for being with you throughout the game, but I always kind of liked her. Except when she talks down to Wynne. Always wanted to slap her then.

[_Aine_]

Well, there are people i dislike enough to either kill or not want to spend much time with them.



1) Vaughn dies. I'm sorry but....no living for you. He is just too easy to dislike the character.



2) Morrigan. I can leave her at camp and still get Morrigan disapproves -8. While I think her sarcastic and caustic wit is unrivaled, the constant critical commentary on my behavior has her making stew as her main occupation. I don't dislike her as much as I just don't need her. Despite my husband telling me I am most like Morrigan, I still don't bring her along to be told I am wrong all the time. On a completely unrelated note, my husband will be unavailable for comment at least until Thursday....



3) Howe. Tim Curry does the voice perfectly, but despite that if there were more ways to make the man suffer I would have. Evil enough to betray a friend and furthermore use the fears of a paranoid man into creating more destruction.... I loathe Howe. He died too easily.



I guess the rest of it depends on the character I am playing. I *do* want to smack Niall though -- dude, I just saw your body on the floor, you looked fine enough , stop being so dramatic and woe-is-me" but its his apathy that just drives me, but only because i think he could have at least TRIED to leave. sheesh.



But Hate?? Can't say I actually hate anyone. Spend time with? That was easier

[JosieJ]

1. Vaughn. He always dies. Always. My City Elf gutted him like a pig in his chambers. All my other characters kill him in the dungeon, no matter what origin they're from.

2. Howe. Pure evil--no redeeming qualities whatsoever. (A tribute to Tim Curry's excellent voice-acting that I hated him the moment he opened his mouth!)

3. Loghain. Friggin' paranoid delusional traitor. If this is the best strategist Ferelden has to offer, no wonder the country's in such a mess. "Oh, I hate the Orlesians so much, here's what I'll do to prevent them taking over: I'll set up and massacre all of Ferelden's Grey Wardens, plus the King, and lose half the country's standing army, in the process plunging the country into civil war and letting darkspawn rampage over the land, blighting and killing at will." Yeah, that'll make Ferelden strong enough to withstand the Orlesian armies.

Not "hated" so much as "annoying" are:

1. Isolde. Has a massive sense of entitlement. She professes deep faith, but is all too willing to go against the tenets of her religion to keep her son away from the Circle. Never mind the fact that other people suffer the same fate if their children show signs of magic, she's above all that, in her mind. She shows little remorse for any but her own concerns when her actions unleash hell upon Redcliffe village. Plus, there's her treatment of Alistair as a child, which was heartless and cruel. And the way she says Tee-GAHN!

2. Anora. Love him or hate him, Alistair has a shining moment of clarity and prescience when he says she's just like her father: all too willing to believe that they're the only people who can solve Ferelden's problems, and that everyone else needs to just fall in line. I don't hate her enough to prevent her from becoming Queen (either alone or jointly with Alistair) on some playthroughs, but her arrogance is annoying.

Modifié par JosieJ, 24 janvier 2010 - 08:50 .

[lightstryker]

When you meet Vaughan in the dungeon, I tell him to give me the key to the box in his room and then I'll let him out of cell......but nope! I take the key and kill him instead! That's what he gets!

[StrawberryViking]

tehprincessJ wrote...
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And somehow, this game is so skewed: I absolutely hate Morrigan when you're a female warden. It's not the fact that she can give Alistair a baby, not when he's said plainly to me that I probably won't be able to the same for him, it's not the fact that I'm the only woman he's ever been with and they show the sex scene between them, with the romantic music and everything; it's the fact that this was her plan from the moment she first meets you. It makes all of your "sister" friendship moments a joke. Yes, I appreciate the fact that her deal is there as an option to save my own skin (or Alistair's, when I was foolish enough to bring him up with me to face the Arch Demon), but it doesn't change the fact that she's a self-serving **** who's only ever wanted one thing from us.

 
I agree completely on that part. I was warming up to her character after I killed Flemeth for her, then she pulls this crap on me? I did the ritual the first time, and I found the fact that they showed the scene to be extremely inappropiate all things considered. I never do the ritual for that sole reason.

Most Hated:

• Morrigan- That selfish b**** is ungrateful. Makes me glad I downloaded that slap Morrigan mod (keep that pimp hand strong!)
• Vaughn- City Elf was my first origin, and I hate this guy sooo much.  What kind of man rapes and beats women simply because his power allows him to do so>

  SuperMedbh wrote..
  
  "Did you kill them?" "Like dogs." "Good." will remain one of the most powerful exchanges in the game in my mind.

• Arl Howe- This guy is almost as worst as they come. My jaw dropped when he made comments about the mother kissing his feet, . Like most others I got equiped the family sword, put the party on hold thinking in my mind "This time...it's personal..." *Fade to Black* (Dramatic Opera Music)
• Loghain- I've only recently aquired him in my play through, so I've yet to see any of his "redeeming qualities", but I did feel pretty when I chose to kill him and Anora tries to stop it. 

Most Annoying on the other Hand...

• Isolde- That stupid lady is so...ugh. First theres that stupid nasally whiny voice. I tried questioning her and all she does is accuse me of something. I wanted to drop-kick her off that guard rail. Then she plays that ever so annoying mother that tries to pretend that her son isn't evil, and instead chooses to hire a mage outside the circle (apostate anyone?). Her secrecy made Jowan's actions possible, so Redcliffe's problem is completely her fault. Also, treating Alistair the way she did just because she thought he might be Eamon's bastard child does nothing to benefit aside from the smug satisfaction she got. I enjoyed sacrificing her.
• Anora- That girl beleives that she is the only one that can run the country, yet she let her crazy father take over as regent knowing that her husband's and many others death are his fault. When I first encountered Anora, talking through the door, her lines seemed so forced, I wasn't sure if it was a trap or just bad voice acting. Like Morrigan shes out for herself.
• Goldanna- I didn't offer her any of my money. I don't how care much you think you deserve, no one should be talked to like that, especially since none of it was Alistairs fault, and he even tried helping her yet still insisted on being such a b**** about it. I would have if I could left Alistair outside and walk into her house and punch her in the face.

[Treason1]

Hmm..Depends on what character I'm playing.



As a Human Noble:

1. Obviously it's Howe. That guy just has slimy and betrayer written all over him from the get go. My human nobles were only polite to his face, since "daddy" was standing right next to them and being polite and well spoken are supposed to be signs of a goodly educated noble, blah, blah. Secretly, they all want to get the hell away from him at the first moment's notice.

2. Logain. The man allowed and went along with what was probably Howe's original suggestion to terminate the Cousland family, sacrificed all but two of Ferelden's Grey Wardens and half the standing army as well as his best friend's son and his King..anyway, you all know this traitor's story. Off with his head.



As a City Elf:

1. Vaughn. He uses his authority and power to rape whatever woman he chooses. Speaking as a man, myself, I can't abide rape, and there's a part of me that knows it would take a great deal of pleasure in having rapists tortured..Fortunately, I've never been in the position to indulge that part of me.

2. ...Really, that's all, as a City Elf. There's plenty of people to be disgusted by, but that's it for hate.



Dalish:



1. ..Not really hating on anyone, but enormously disappointed in Zathrian. Not, that he would wish a curse prolonged for what was done to his children, no. Dalish spend a good deal of time repeating and instilling a sense of betrayal and distrust towards humanity for actions done centuries ago, after all. They live with their near-or-outright-hatred all their lives. No, it's that he chose to not put aside his hatred for the good of his people, when they started to suffer from a curse of his own making. Harm to humans, that can be looked over. But harm to his own clan and tribe? Betrayer!



Mage:

1. Hmm..No real hate towards anyone, but a load of hurt feelings and resentment. I've only played elvish mages, so far. A) First, for the most part, they're played as if even in the tower, they were treated as an "elf" by a good many of it's inhabitants. The Mage Warden is a prodigy, very talented, and quite possibly the apprentice to the First Enchanter himself. Lots of reasons for others to be jealous and resentful, and since their an elf, even more reason to "take them down a notch" and "put them in their proper place." I think of Jowan as being one of the few that never raised a comment about them being an elf, and was their friend from the beginning. That he ends up using the Mage Warden as a bag holder, lied to them, and, best of all, never invited them in on the secret Blood Magic lessons..it's a good deal of hurt and resentment built up over that. If the Mage Warden is female, I like imagining a bit of a crush got squashed, when he told her about having met a girl. C) The Tower it's self. They want out. It's their only home they've ever know, there have been good times, but it's also a place of fear (templars, everywhere), repression and after Jowan bugs out, a lingering sense of betrayal and pain. Get out of Dodge while you can.



..After all this, I'm still thinking up who my Wardens, through RP, end up liking and hating, and their reasons behind them.



..I just love story driven RPGs. Really, I do.

[Stallion7]

just like everyone else said, it has to be Howe. I was disappointed with how anti-climactic finishing this guy off was. Just a more drawn-out scene or conversation would do, a way to better shove it in his face that after all he's done, you're gonna kill him.

[Nathas]

Human Noble= Arl Howe and Loghain

Dwarves Noble= Bhelen

City Elves= Vaughn

Dwarves Commoner= Behrat and Jarvia

Circle of Magi= Jowan

Dalish Elves= Nothing

[iix 13east xii]

The guys in the colourful clothing that vote for Loghain at the landsmeet, they have annoying voices and have no clue why they didnt vote for me



Oghren

[Dlokir]

Loghain, Howle is too much pathetic he triggers a bit of pity for me, but he is one of the most unsane and more than Loghain. Ha well and... Cauthrien... until I beat her hard, hope that will be for my current replay!



Why Vaughan is so much hated? Isn't those who wrote Vaughan wanted wrote Vaughn?

[CapricornSun]

It usually depends on which origin I'm playing. Anyway, here are my most hated characters:

1. Arl Howe. Really hated him after playing the Human Noble origin. I swear I wanted to tear him limb from limb after he told my PC how my mother kissed his feet before she died. Ugh!

2.  Vaughan. If you play a male City Elf (like I did), before you go rescue the women, you could ask Valendrian about Vaughan and he mentions that some time back, the blacksmith's daughter was sent to work as a maid (I think) at the Arl of Denerim's estate. People in the estate mentioned that she was seen dragged into Vaughan's quarters and then her body was found the next day brutally raped and dumped over at the docks. So, yeah, Vaughan's quite the monster and he's got to die.

3. Goldanna. Geez, lady! What's up with you? I understand that life's been tough for you but that's hardly Alistair's fault now is it? Even after giving her 15(?) sovereigns, she still bites you head off! Ungrateful b**** that she is... would have liked to cut her tongue off. <_<

And people who I'm just really annoyed with:

1. Isolde. She's partly to blame regarding the whole mess at Redcliffe but yet, she gets no punishment whatsoever for it? Why does Jowan need to bear all the punishment? And her insistance on sending Alistair away to the Chantry like that as a child is just... cruel.

2. Arl Eamon. I liked him at first. Then on retrospect, ever since Alistair was young, it was made clear that Alistair was to have no claim to the throne. Alistair's stay at Redcliffe Castle was not exactly a happy one either, and then Eamon let Isolde convince him to send Alistair off to the Chantry. Now that Cailan died, he's suddenly pushing Alistair to become the king of Fereldan? Okaaaay... no king for you!

[au_ithum]

Bhelen. He tricked me into supporting him in my first playthrough. Turns out he's a total jerk.

[Cakazatel]

I can't hate Howe. He, along with Loghain and Cauthrien, are my outlets for working off some angst. My top 3 most hated are the ones with the brain breaking attitudes.



1. Cammen

Yes, the dalish elf. Spineless doughy **** lives in the freaking forest, owns his own bow, and can't walk a few hundred paces to kill something? A good thrashing would do him wonders.



2. Vaughn

My first play through was a city elf. Now Vaughn dies on every playthrough.



3. Isolde

[Erakleitos]

I would say Howe... it's the only truly evil character. Oh and Vaughan too. I always kill him ... regardless of my pc class/race ;p

Modifié par Erakleitos, 25 janvier 2010 - 03:53 .

[epeeist]

I'd definitely put Howe #1 as most-hated. Probably Vaughan #2, simply from having tried the elven alienage origin (to get the achievement). For the dwarf commoner origin I can think of one or two that would be close, but I wouldn't want to spoil things for someone who hasn't played through with that origin...



Unlike those two, for some of the others mentioned, depending upon how one plays (which origin and how, and choices made near the end of the game) the characters behave somewhat differently. Which is a big plus for me, it made replays with different origins more interesting. For instance, playing the dwarf noble origin one's character can behave as a bloodthirsty second son who wants to off Trian (regardless of the "help" Bhelen gives) and aganst whom Bhelen would have acted for self-protection, or at the other extreme a paragon (grin) of virtue. When playing another origin, the perspective is a bit different - most notably as a dwarf commoner, notwithstanding the power imbalance, Bhelen does seem to be portrayed as genuinely caring for Rica (the Harrowmont-funded crier shouting rumours of his marrying a casteless, and the epilogue in which he is noted as having liberalized the rules governing the casteless support this - even if for reasons of power, from a utilitarian approach he's much better than the "honourable" Harrowmont). Similarly Anora, as annoying as she is, with some choices she comes across better, and is still willing to e.g. free the mages from the chantry (though she comments she's not sure how the chantry will react, she still does so), spare Alistair's life, etc. She is presented as having some principles.



For that matter, on the Dragon Age website, read the RTO summary about King Cailan, and he comes across much more negatively than as presented in the beginning of the game...

[harktag]

I actually really like Jowan. Maybe it's because I played a mage in my first playthrough and RP'd as if he was my best friend from the Circle. I felt really sorry for the guy and wanted to help him redeem himself.



And I'm surprised by all the Cammen haters. I thought he was a sweety pie! To his defense, I believe the main reason he couldn't go hunting for the wolf pelt was because he wasn't allowed to. (Not until the werewolf problem was solved.) Not because he was a coward.



My list, with my most despised on top:



1) Branka

2) Bhelen

3) Goldana

4) Vaughan

[killer4u]

I hated Arl Howe soooooo much, that i made a seperate save on my char, so i could continue to kill his ass till i'm done with DOA

[Erani]

I liked Jowan a lot; would be sweet to have him as a companion.

My most hated are:
1) Isolde: Ughhh she was so stupid, I wanted to kill her. I would have, but didn't want Alistair to get mad. She was responsible for the Redcliffe episode, and was cruel to Alistair for no reason. She also had the most annoying voice ever, "ohhhh Teaaagaan, bless youu" arghhh
2) Loghain and Howe: disgusting and evil.
3) Goldana: what a selfish lil b***
4) Jowan's gfriend, Lilly: can't believe she didn't run with Jowan after he showed himself to be a blood mage to save her. I understand blood magic is supposed to be "evil" and all but still if she had loved him she would have forgiven him.
Anora, the Templars, the Maker, Andraste, all the Revered Mothers and Morrigan follow

Modifié par Erani, 16 juin 2010 - 03:46 .

[sheogorath66]

Bhelen I hate that drawf mother f?*%

[wwwwowwww]

Since 95% of my characters have been human nobles, it is without a doubt Arl Howe for me.

[Behindyounow]

5) Morrigan. Total *****.

4) Anora. Total *****

3) Isolde. Stupid *****.

2) Ser Cauthrien. Nobody calls me a churl and gets away with it.

1) Cammen. Die. Painfully. In a fire. Slowly.

[darkshadow136]

For me it is a tie between Wynne the preachy school mistress, and Oghren the annoying drunk Dwarf.

[Shacary]

Wow, I laughed so much at what people would do to these hated villians, mostly becuz I have soo thought the same thing!

Howe, { iluv tim curry} but he is a snake thru and thru

Loghain, { sorry} he is like a tyrannical dictator, slaughtering all who dont think like him, and selling those people he feels inferior.. He is a schemer and a performed more War crimes than Hitler! { well ok then someone??! } Like someoen said before me, NO < u cant just be forgiven, you might have been a genuis once [ tho i didnt see that even in the books!] but ur nuts now!

Isolde, selfish, cheating [ philandering most likely] cruel/ jealous Bimbo, she didnt seem very contrite about what the people in town suffered, most likely she was just worried about where her next bon bon would come from! Whoo.... essss... diss.... woman?? *SLAP*

Vaughn, I only once accidentally d ouble clicked his cell and he lived, now he dies all the time, mostly promise him to give me key and i will release him, [ hope build up } then gut him for extra pleasure!

Goldana, OMG really!!! Could there possibly such self centered witches in life?? Nuff said, I actually did try to go back in the house and kill her without alistair there.... to bad we couldnt at least cut her tongue out.

I foudn Jowan to be annoying and amazingly self centered, he only cared about his own needs... and Lily, and YA she was annoying too! OOO and Kelli, my gosh just be tranquil or thrst urself on crazy cullens sword.

LOL I had forgotten about Cammen, I found him silly , I mean he had been trying to kill some poor critter for 2 years??! good grief couldnt he have at least bagged a squirrel??? LOL but i dont hate him

ANORA OOO i forgot her, she has a semi sense of honor, but she is so self effacing just like her father, who is to say that she didnt know of Eamons dictation to put her aside in favor of a woman bearring an heir? so she conspired with her father to dethrone him and maintain her own place of power... mb Daddy gave her a bit of a scare, but she is not an innocent by any means. Conniving.. totally!

[Shacary]

OOO sorry im rambling just thought of an A grade annoyign compainion, Oghren, I detest his stereo -typical dwarfism. Who says jsut becuz u are dwarven you have to belch beer and light farts on fire?? Gadzooks, i couldnt stand to talk to him, he spent all his time in the camp ignored !

[Rykn]

Vaughn, Howe, and Branka are downright Evil Bastards and need to die and do. They can't live. They don't deserve to live. I hate them. Loghain deserves a chance to die in honor at least but life isn't for him. Goldana Deserves to die but won't. That is all.