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[Samahl]

I don't think bigotry will be the justification for race-gating. 

 

I think it has to be. All of the LIs are human except for IB, Sera, and maybe Solas. We know IB isn't race-gated, and the likelihood of both elves being gated seems... low, to me. They're really the only ones that could potentially have non-bigoted reasons for the gating (Sera against humans, because nobles/oppressors, Solas against dwarves, because the Fade). Furthermore, Cullen has already demonstrated bigoted attitudes towards at least one non-human race (dwarves), so there's an established history there.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

i hope it stays this way right up until the game launches, seriously its a very interesting ploy on BioWares part, im certain each potential love interest will hint at what they don't like or wont do, and it'll be up to you at that point to realize it. Maybe they'll make a snide remark about a past affair that went wrong and thus why they don't DO X people. Also i love speculating... and on that note.

 

Cassandra to Race Gate Qunari, being of the Chantry i could see her holding to the idea that the Qunari are evil, and foul creatures, even if your Qunari isn't of the Qun.

 

Cullen has had feelings for Humans and Elves in the Origin's Magi background so im thinking it's possible he might not do Qunari either, as he is a firm believer of the Chantry, assuming Dagna went to the circle i wouldn't be surprised if he had the hots for her too. lol.

I highly doubt that both of the race-gated love interests would be both of the heterosexual love interests. 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I think it has to be. All of the LIs are human except for IB, Sera, and maybe Solas. We know IB isn't race-gated, and the likelihood of both elves being gated seems... low, to me. They're really the only ones that could potentially have non-bigoted reasons for the gating (Sera against humans, because nobles/oppressors, Solas against dwarves, because the Fade). Furthermore, Cullen has already demonstrated bigoted attitudes towards at least one non-human race (dwarves), so there's an established history there.

I still don't think the noble thing works for race gating as being a noble isn't restricted to race, it has more to do with class/status in society also the human mage was never raised as a noble and really is only a noble in name. Plus if we are going to race gate Sera against humans cause of the noble thing then we might as well gate her against a dalish elf cause she hates nature. Many have stated that the noble thing is in no way a good story reason in any way if anything it would be a cheap cop out so yeah the noble theory would be class gating or status gating not race, lets not forget she also hates authority and those in power and the Inquisitor no matter what race has authority and is in power. Out of all the gender gated romances I see Cullen having the most against him cause of what he said in the past but I am pretty sure none of the gender gated romances will have race gating on top of that just seems like over kill. 

[Samahl]

I still don't think the noble thing works for race gating as being a noble isn't restricted to race, it has more to do with class/status in society also the human mage was never raised as a noble and really is only a noble in name. Plus if we are going to race gate Sera against humans cause of the noble thing then we might as well gate her against a dalish elf cause she hates nature. Many have stated that the noble thing is in no way a good story reason in any way if anything it would be a cheap cop out so yeah the noble theory would be class gating or status gating not race, lets not forget she also hates authority and those in power and the Inquisitor no matter what race has authority and is in power. Out of all the gender gated romances I see Cullen having the most against him cause of what he said in the past but I am pretty sure none of the gender gated romances will have race gating on top of that just seems like over kill. 

 

I'm not sure how likely it is, just that she's one of the few that would actually have a non-racist reason for being against it, along with Solas. That's why I think at least one of the race-gated LIs will necessarily be bigoted.

 

Also, we already know IB and Josephine aren't gated, which means the last two LIs have to be both bi and gated, which I think is unlikely, based on something Gaider said a little while back. I think at least one of the monosexual LIs will be race-gated.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I'm not sure how likely it is, just that she's one of the few that would actually have a non-racist reason for being against it, along with Solas. That's why I think at least one of the race-gated LIs will necessarily be bigoted.

 

Also, we already know IB and Josephine aren't gated, which means the last two LIs have to be both bi and gated, which I think is unlikely, based on something Gaider said a little while back. I think at least one of the monosexual LIs will be race-gated.

just cause Sera is a non-human doesn't mean she is more likely to be race gated and that tweet was not him de-confirming the last two being the race gates he was just saying that him and none of the other devs had ever said it was the last two, I never believe anything on twitter unless it follows an official public confirmation as Bioware can deny deny deny all they want on twitter until they confirm it elsewhere. The fan base could be 100% right on the last two romance options being the gated one but Bioware would say its not true because they haven't confirmed it yet they would never admit the fans got it right first. And Sera having a none race reason wouldn't exactly be RACE gating. 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

That's why Samahl keeps saying it would be a non racist reason. Functionally however it would be the same as race gating.

I still don't see how not romancing someone cause of where they are in society has anything to do with race Dwarves can be nobles, Elves in Tevinter can become nobles if they are born with magic, its not strictly humans. As I said if your going to gate off humans cause of being a noble (I think people are taking this a little to literally) then you may as well say she will be gated against a dalish elf cause she hates nature. So you might as well say Sera will only be a romance option for dwarfs (which has been semi-confirmed) and Qunari. Thats how weak the noble argument is. 

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Here is Gaider's tweet, to me all this says is that he never claimed the last two romance options were the gated one, all he is saying that he never said that he is not saying its not true that its the last two, he is saying its untrue he said that. 

 

So someone told me that *I* said the two remaining LI's are the race-gated ones. An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue.

[Milan92]

I think its best to prepare for the worst when it comes to the race-gating.

 

People can come up with arguments till the game ships, but that won't change anything.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Also being race gated seems out of character for Sera, for some reason people think she has all this hate in her but from what has been said about her and what has been shown that is far from the truth, she has been confirmed to have a GSOH, she is said to be awesome, has an awesome giggle snort, loves taverns and a good drink, comes off as bit of a prankster and of course loves women. With her being the wildcard and being a person who is all for the moment just doesn't seem like this sarcastic, lovable elf would care about something as trivial as race.

[Samahl]

just cause Sera is a non-human doesn't mean she is more likely to be race gated

 

I didn't say she was more likely. I actually specifically stated that "I'm not sure how likely it is". I was originally responding to someone who said that the LIs probably aren't bigoted, an assertion I disagree with.

 

Here is Gaider's tweet, to me all this says is that he never claimed the last two romance options were the gated one, all he is saying that he never said that he is not saying its not true that its the last two, he is saying its untrue he said that. 

 

So someone told me that *I* said the two remaining LI's are the race-gated ones. An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue.

 

I believe you are reading that tweet incorrectly. Based on the way he worded it, I'm pretty sure he meant that it was untrue that the last two are race-gated.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

 

 

 

I believe you are reading that tweet incorrectly. Based on the way he worded it, I'm pretty sure he meant that it was untrue that the last two are race-gated.

Matter on interpretation I'm not the only one who see's it like that, as I said never believe what they say on twitter unless its been confirmed somewhere else, all your going to get on twitter before an official confirmation is PR talk at best. 

[Samahl]

Matter on interpretation I'm not the only one who see's it like that, as I said never believe what they say on twitter unless its been confirmed somewhere else, all your going to get on twitter before an official confirmation is PR talk at best. 

 

Well, that's all there is to be said on the topic then, I suppose.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

 nature that way in the abstract if at all (this is the first I've even heard of it),

One of the devs said this about her in the Sera thread a few months ago, she loves the city and hates nature, many were not happy with this as a dalish elf (unless they are a black sheep among the dalish) would not want to live in the city with the Shems. Also there is the factor of the HUMAN MAGE, yes they still come from a noble family but they were taken to the circle as a child and lived a sheltered and cloistered life until their life was threatened and they escaped, the human mage is not raised as a noble, won't know what its like to be a noble and probably doesn't want to be a noble, also she hates authority and ones with power to but yet no matter what race the Inquisitor has authority and has power. Like I said it only upset the people who want to play a dalish elf and romance her. As I stated I am not the only one who thinks the Noble theory is weak, one person even said it was dumb and whoever came up with it should be ashamed, me on the other hand just thinks its a weak reason and weak story telling. But really I wish people would stop talking about race gating we are never going to find anything to agree on until they announce it, thats why after this I am staying out of race gating talk till it is announced and we know who it is. Just getting tired of the same theories and same debates going on and on its been done to death.

 

Only gender gated romance option I see being gated is Cullen, though I hope none of the gender gated romances get race gated on top of that just seems like overkill to me. Other than Cullen I see either Solas against dwarves and Vivienne humans only (maybe elves to) and thats all I will say on race gating till they are announced. The End, Goodbye 

[Tenebrae]

You forgot to add this continuation of the tweet:

 

Random-dude: so this means that the 2 race gated romances are romance options we already know about? Cool.

 

David: No, it does not mean that either. Seriously, stop putting words in my mouth.

 

Point of the matter is that David has said nothing he and has confirmed nothing, at best what he said is that one 2 of the 8 option would be gated, that it, it could be 2 of the known LI's, it could be the last 2 LI's or it could be a mix of the two.

[daveliam]

I guess that these could be up for interpretation, but to me, it's pretty clear what these tweets mean:

 

So someone told me that *I* said the two remaining LI's are the race-gated ones. An odd thing for me to say, seeing as it's untrue.

 

Look at the way the second sentence is worded.  It's pretty clear that the "it" refers to "the two remaining LI's are the race-gated ones" and not "my saying it".  Substitute either of those phrases for the "it" and see what I mean.

 

"An odd thing for me to say seeing as the two remaining LI's are the race gated ones is untrue".  (Makes sense)

"An odd thing for me to say seeing as my saying it is untrue" (Doesn't make sense)

 

You forgot to add this continuation of the tweet:

 

Random-dude: so this means that the 2 race gated romances are romance options we already know about? Cool.

 

David: No, it does not mean that either. Seriously, stop putting words in my mouth.

 

Point of the matter is that David has said nothing he and has confirmed nothing, at best what he said is that one 2 of the 8 option would be gated, that it, it could be 2 of the known LI's, it could be the last 2 LI's or it could be a mix of the two.

 

The continuation of the tweet then addresses the other side of the pendulum swing.  When people thought that his first tweet said that neither of the two unannounced LI's were race-gated, he corrected them by saying that it doesn't mean that either.  This one doesn't confirm anything really.

 

What it leaves us with is the fact that both of the remaining unannounced LI's are not race-gated.  And we know that IB and Josephine are not race gated.  So the two race-gated ones are either Cullen, Cassandra, Dorian, Sera, and no more than one of the two unannounced LI's. 

[Basement Cat]

I guess that these could be up for interpretation, but to me, it's pretty clear what these tweets mean:

 

 

Look at the way the second sentence is worded.  It's pretty clear that the "it" refers to "the two remaining LI's are the race-gated ones" and not "my saying it".  Substitute either of those phrases for the "it" and see what I mean.

 

"An odd thing for me to say seeing as the two remaining LI's are the race gated ones is untrue".  (Makes sense)

"An odd thing for me to say seeing as my saying it is untrue" (Doesn't make sense)

 

 

The continuation of the tweet then addresses the other side of the pendulum swing.  When people thought that his first tweet said that neither of the two unannounced LI's were race-gated, he corrected them by saying that it doesn't mean that either.  This one doesn't confirm anything really.

 

What it leaves us with is the fact that both of the remaining unannounced LI's are not race-gated.  And we know that IB and Josephine are not race gated.  So the two race-gated ones are either Cullen, Cassandra, Dorian, Sera, and no more than one of the two unannounced LI's. 

Or it could be a mix: one the unanounced LIs and one of the known ones are race gated.

[Chari]

IMHO the 2 race-gated romances will likely be bisexual, since heterosexual and homosexual LIs are already quite gated

It's neither Iron Bull nor Josephine... Vivienne seems like the most likely choice. And maybe Solas if fans theories are at least somewhat true... I doubt both, hm... 

Yeah, then it means one of the previous LIs is racegated...

I doubt Cassandra really cares about the race, Cullen easily falls for both human and elven warden... Maybe Sera doesn't like the human Inq since she's noble? Or maybe Dorian due to his ties to Tevinter can't romance elves?

I'm confused 

[Merc Mama]

Oh god!!! 

I am so fearful that my favourites might be race-gated, therefore limiting my options with Inquisitors and I will be going through a 150 hour campaign for just one person. ((Which sadly I admit is something that I would do.)) And even though I know there's story reasons for it, it's just too much like real life. 

:c 

Like not being able to be with someone cause they aren't attracted to you.. That stuff hurts.. :c

[Little Princess Peach]

It means that you will be screwed if you pick the race that your prospective LI isn't into.

 

Actually, I guess it means you will *not* be screwed, then.  

A sng will be played in the background with the worlds smallest villein the song being can't bang this!

[Ianamus]

Vivienne is an obvious pick for unannouncd race gated LI. It's the "existing" one that I can't figure out.

 

In my opinion Cassnadra is the least likely to be gated, because we know the most about her and she has never expressed a disliking for anyone due to race in either her previous game appearances or the movie.

 

Cullen on the other hand, is more likely. He has expressed interest in elves and humans before, but apparently he has been judgemental and offensive about dwarves and Qunari in the past.

 

With Sera and Dorian it is impossible to say since we still don't know that much about them. For all we know Sera hates the Carta with a passion, and refuses to enter a relationship with the dwarf inquisitor due to their ties to them.

[Chari]

Vivienne is an obvious pick for unannouncd race gated LI. It's the "existing" one that I can't figure out.

 

In my opinion Cassnadra is the least likely to be gated, because we know the most about her and she has never expressed a disliking for anyone due to race in either her previous game appearances or the movie.

 

Cullen on the other hand, is more likely. He has expressed interest in elves and humans before, but apparently he has been judgemental and offensive about dwarves and Qunari in the past.

 

With Sera and Dorian it is impossible to say since we still don't know that much about them. For all we know Sera hates dwarves with a passion.

I think it's most likely one racegated LI will be female and another one male. Hence if Vivienne is racegated... then some dude LI will be gated, but not Cassandra or Sera

Cullen, Cullen... hmm, sounds... possible

[Milan92]

I'm not sure if only bi characters will be race-gated.

 

I think they focused on which characters could have an interesting story that comes along with the race-gating.

[Chari]

I'm not sure if only bi characters will be race-gated.

 

I think they focused on which characters could have an interesting story that comes along with the race-gating.

Symmetry, symmetry everywhere

I think that would be more... balancing. Just as I expect the last two LIs to be bisexual