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[The Baconer]

Very friendly with the "local" churches, yet very hostile with the primary organization (the Grand Cathedral, Divines, Grand Clerics etc.), which she regards as a sinful organization replete with corruption, debauchery, and idol worship.

[TheEternalStudent]

The Chantry is gone, thoughit's possible that some manner of institution will be developed to work with the Chanter's Boards, and... well I don't think we've ever seen them help orphans, but yeah, they can do that.

[Senya]

Support it and reform it.

[DKJaigen]

My good inquisitor is going to strip all economic and political power from the chantry.

 

my evil inquisitor is going to align with the elder one and use the chantry to give the good news the makers has returned in form of the elder one.

[Medhia_Nox]

@LobselVith8:  So, what you're saying is.. all Andrastians are responsible for what a few Chantry members do... but blood magic is just magic and you can't hold all blood mages accountable for what a few (yeah, right - a "few") of them do.  Same with spirits - 99% percent of the spirits/demons we've encountered have caused negative events when interacting with mortals... but because Wynne was strong enough - demons are totally safe (even your precious Dalish don't think they're safe). 

 

I know you want to convince yourself that Chantry is the worst of the worst - and you're free to - just as I'm free to see through your bias and realize you just love things like the Dalish and will make every excuse under the sun for them (and ancient elf empires which we know nothing about) with one side of your face, while condemning modern Thedosian organizations with the other.

 

The value judgements anyone makes aren't correct - they're just personal.  You see the Dalish (and ancient elf empires) as somehow superior - that's nice - I see them all as corrupt organizations needing none of my bias to champion or condemn.

 

The Inquisition will be as honorable and noble as I can make it - it will have faults and flaws like any - but when my Inquisitor is dead, if the Inquisition lives on - it will twist and turn in upon itself becoming another faction of people looking to maintain their power at the cost of others.

 

That people hold exceptions to this rule - is just willful ignorance based on groundless value judgements that form bias.  It's not that people do it that bothers me at all - it's that people claim they don't do it that bothers me. 

[Spicen]

*sees the masses*

* bow down before the herald of andraste, fear not the wretched elder one, nor the heathen oxmen, the stoney dwarves and the caraven elves.*

*For i your inquisitor will destroy them, and establish a new world order with the blessing of Mother Petrice and the chantry.*

*Hail to the All-seeing eye. Now to arms my brethren. Andraste will grant us victory.*

[Spicen]

Non-existant? Lol. But no, I'll be making it very obvious that the chantry is the last place I want to be. I spit on your maker!

The Maker does not look kindly upon those who intend to eject vile liquid excrements unto him. Maker willing the chantry will be rebuilt, with the inquisition. They will then launch exalted marches on Par Vollen, Orzammar, Dalish Caravans, Hedge mages in Rivain, Avvar, Chasind.

They shall submit to the Maker. And its new Champion- the inquisitor.

[Gervaise]

I would like to reform the Chantry so it truly is the Andrastrian Chantry and not the Orlesian Chantry, since the current Chantry was founded by the Emperor Drakon and part of the problem is that it is too beholden to rulers and not critical enough when they fail to follow the teaching of the Chant of Light.     The Chantry should act as a social conscience for the nobility and take them to task when they abuse their power.   Sebastian's family history shows that it is possible to use the faith in a positive way to effect change by peaceful means through the power of the religion of the ordinary people.   I would condemn all laws that discriminate against certain members of the community whether they be mages, elves or castless dwarves but would lead by example rather than going to war against them.

 

I actually feel that the Black Chantry is nearer to what the Chant actually says about magic and mages without advocating that mages should necessarily be in charge.  As my first Inquisitor will be a Dalish elf mage, she will be able to point up the fact that she has lived in her community without causing them harm.    It is all a matter of teaching and training, for non-mages as well as mages.     I feel that mages should be able to police themselves and will probably be more effective at identifying corrupt practices than non mages.   We should aim to develop ways of protecting against magic without resorting to drug addiction.    I've always felt that the lyrium addiction of the Templars is just as restricting of their lives as the imprisonment of mages.   Templars should be selected for their moral integrity, not their religious zeal, and encouraged to work with mages.   Remind people that magic is a GIFT of the Maker, not a curse.

 

I would also wish to check through the Chantry archives and find out how many bits of the Chant have been removed for political or ideological convenience and restored them.   If we are to promote the Chant, I would want it to be the whole Chant.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's an effective enough institution at instilling human expansion and dominance across Thedas and thus would have my Inquisitors support.

[Shadow Fox]

Inb4 "I"ll BURN THE CHANTRY DOWN!!!"

 

Anyway my Inquisitors will treat it as just another organization with good and bad points.

[LobselVith8]

@LobselVith8:  So, what you're saying is.. all Andrastians are responsible for what a few Chantry members do... but blood magic is just magic and you can't hold all blood mages accountable for what a few (yeah, right - a "few") of them do.  Same with spirits - 99% percent of the spirits/demons we've encountered have caused negative events when interacting with mortals... but because Wynne was strong enough - demons are totally safe (even your precious Dalish don't think they're safe). 

 

That line of reasoning doesn't follow. I can't speak for Jason with any degree of certainty, but as for myself, I disagree strongly with the Chantry controlled Circles (pre-Mage-Templar War), and it's one issues that causes me to oppose the Chantry of Andraste as an organization. Labeling non-Andrastians as heathens and criminalizing the elven patheon is another issue that causes me to oppose the institution of the Andrastian Chantry. What they preach about mages and magic is another issue that I strongly oppose, and one Lambert comments on in Asunder: "Lambert slammed the door shut and allowed himself a smile. He imagined the Divine reading that. Without the templars, the Chantry was toothless - nothing more than a bunch of old women armed only with words. What would she do? Try to convince the people, after ages of teaching them mages were to be feared and contained, that now everything was different?"

 

I know you want to convince yourself that Chantry is the worst of the worst - and you're free to - just as I'm free to see through your bias and realize you just love things like the Dalish and will make every excuse under the sun for them (and ancient elf empires which we know nothing about) with one side of your face, while condemning modern Thedosian organizations with the other.

 

With all due respect, saying that someone is biased because they dislike or oppose the practices of the Andrastian Chantry isn't going to persuade anyone to share the same opinion as you.

 

Also, considering I've held Zathrian, Velanna, and the Sabrae Clan (when they attempt to kill Merrill and the Champion) accountable for their actions, it's a bit ridiculous that you're acting like I never place blame on Dalish characters when they do things that are wrong.

 

The value judgements anyone makes aren't correct - they're just personal.  You see the Dalish (and ancient elf empires) as somehow superior - that's nice - I see them all as corrupt organizations needing none of my bias to champion or condemn.

 

The Dalish aren't an organization; they're an ethic group - a culture of people who maintain their traditions and religious beliefs, despite the Chantry making it illegal within the Andrsastian kingdoms.

 

The Inquisition will be as honorable and noble as I can make it - it will have faults and flaws like any - but when my Inquisitor is dead, if the Inquisition lives on - it will twist and turn in upon itself becoming another faction of people looking to maintain their power at the cost of others.

 

That people hold exceptions to this rule - is just willful ignorance based on groundless value judgements that form bias.  It's not that people do it that bothers me at all - it's that people claim they don't do it that bothers me. 

 

Disagreeing with an institution, and finding fault with individuals of different races or cultures, are completely different issues. This isn't something that I should have to explain to you.

[Kingthlayer]

Honestly, I don't even notice or care about religion in Dragon Age, much like I don't care about it in real life.

 

I guess it would come down to the way they story is laid out in front of me, if it's beneficial to kill high ranking chantry members, I will obviously do it, if it isn't, I won't go out of my way to kill them for no reason or reward.

[Sykowolf117]

Personally my Inquisitor won't be a devote Andrastian. He will recognise that the Chantry is needed though and will attempt to rebuild and reform it.

[LostInReverie19]

I'd like to be as antagonistic toward the Chantry and block their agenda whenever and wherever possible.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

My Inquisitor sees it as a corrupt organization that needs deep reform and he'll use his position to make sure that its changed for the better.

[KBomb]

In an "ideal" game state I would serve as the Chantry's sword, of course.

[SirGladiator]

In an ideal world, I'll be working with them as allies, and using my influence with them to get them to make Leliana their new leader.  Making the world better, making the chantry better, making everything better, that's what I'll be doing, ideally  .