Thats what what half the players want a end. The system worked until the dragon age. Why dont we just make a new accord that works for both parties. Not just one sided
We shouldn't say fine persay i forget the date but there were rights of annulment and other things like that before the dragon age.
Some dont forget change comes at a price, they just don't care, they only want their goals to be fulfilled and destroy what ever they have to.
Yes, all decisions have consequences.
However, apathy is just as bad.
Apathy is what lets the elves suffer in poverty for centuries.
We shouldn't say fine persay i forget the date but there were rights of annulment and other things like that before the dragon age.
The Rivain Circle Annulment was also ludicrous.
It undermined any moral high ground the Templars claim to destroy a Circle not because it's demon-possessed but because the Mages visited their families.
NO WONDER they rebelled.
We shouldn't say fine persay i forget the date but there were rights of annulment and other things like that before the dragon age.
I think counting all of the Annulments from its conception to Dragon Age Origins there have been, on average, an annulment every 14 years.
The Rivain Circle Annulment was also ludicrous.
It undermined any moral high ground the Templars claim to destroy a Circle not because it's demon-possessed but because the Mages visited their families.
NO WONDER they rebelled.
I think it was that and mostly because they were practicing their old ways of allowing Seers to be possessed by Spirits.
I think counting all of the Annulments from its conception to Dragon Age Origins there have been, on average, an annulment every 14 years.
I thought it was more like every century.
Which, still, is not normal if it's supposed to only be used when Uldred situations pop up.
No wonder they rebelled? Mage's are not the good guys. they are not innocent. They are not fighting for some noble cause. they are anarchist who kill just to kill because they say it "furthers" their cause. At least the red Templars say its because of god's will. Mage's just say they are killing for freedom, because killing an innocent civilian so you can be free is completely noble.
I think counting all of the Annulments from its conception to Dragon Age Origins there have been, on average, an annulment every 14 years. I think it was that and mostly because they were practicing their old ways of allowing Seers to be possessed by Spirits.
I just checked the Codex entry for the Right of Annulment and it said there have been 17 in the last 700 years. So, on average, an Annulment every 41 years.
I thought it was more like every century.
Which, still, is not normal if it's supposed to only be used when Uldred situations pop up.
Of course its normal, counting as many possessions we have seen. Many mage's are weak, or Evil. so of course it happens.
The Rivain Circle Annulment was also ludicrous.
It undermined any moral high ground the Templars claim to destroy a Circle not because it's demon-possessed but because the Mages visited their families.
NO WONDER they rebelled.
And the part about "training mages in the traditions of the seers" doesn't count?
I think counting all of the Annulments from its conception to Dragon Age Origins there have been, on average, an annulment every 14 years.
What? According to the very codex about the Rite, there have been 17 in 700 years, so that's an annulment every 41 years (maybe that was the mistake?).
EDIT: SgtSteel91 was faster 
Of course its normal, counting as many possessions we have seen. Many mage's are weak, or Evil. so of course it happens.
Or perhaps the Mages in the Circle were fed up and wanted change and the Templars deemed them irredeemable.
And the part about "training mages in the traditions of the seers" doesn't count?
What? According to the very codex about the Rite, there have been 17 in 700 years, so that's an annulment every 41 years (maybe that was the mistake?).
Yeah I checked and I was wrong, whoops.
Or perhaps the Mages in the Circle were fed up and wanted change and the Templars deemed them irredeemable.
then that sucks, but I dont care. i have no sympathy for them, if they had just wanted change thats ok, i would help them to get their lives better inside of circles, but instead they are destructive and idiotic fools. just like the red templars, so they deserve what ever sword takes their head from their shoulders.
No wonder they rebelled? Mage's are not the good guys. they are not innocent. They are not fighting for some noble cause. they are anarchist who kill just to kill because they say it "furthers" their cause. At least the red Templars say its because of god's will. Mage's just say they are killing for freedom, because killing an innocent civilian so you can be free is completely noble.
Many rebels were demonized in the past,one's terrorist is another's freedom fight.Is fighting for equal rights and freedom really a evil thing just because mages are doing it?
That what their power is. a tool. and if they want to be treated like a regular civilian they are going to have to compromise too. the blame doesn't sit only on the Templars shoulders, they are as much to blame as the Templars, and yes i will compare circles to zoos, like animals who are untrained for the house hold, and i will compare regular humans to cats and mage's to tigers, one is much more dangerous.
Smh......you really don't get it do you?That attitude is what the mages have a problem with.People like you who see them as nothing more than non humans,elves,whatever that are only usable as tools and locked away when not in use.
Many rebels were demonized in the past,one's terrorist is another's freedom fight.Is fighting for equal rights and freedom really a evil thing just because mages are doing it?
They have are not freedom fighter, they fuel their magic with the blood of innocents and are anarchist and i will happily strike them all down if they only look to cause destruction, hell even one of my favorite non game characters. Fiona, i know what she wants and i feel bad for the things she has put up with, but if she is a war monger, i will strike her down in the name of peace.
Smh......you really don't get it do you?That attitude is what the mages have a problem with.People like you who see them as nothing more than non humans,elves,whatever that are only usable as tools and locked away when not in use.
I never said they are only usuable as tool, you act as though i dont see them as creatures with feelings. even though i fear a lion i know it has feelings so i will not beat it. but the lions claws are tools to be used, and it must know how to put those claws away. if more mage's were like Wynne i would not have any problem with them, but they aren't, so any mage that think a mage templar war is needed, i will strike down. there must be peace for Thedas, there must be order. I dont say that because they are mage's i say that because they are anarchist. i feel the exact same way about red Templars.
Smh......you really don't get it do you?That attitude is what the mages have a problem with.People like you who see them as nothing more than non humans,elves,whatever that are only usable as tools and locked away when not in use.
They have are not freedom fighter, they fuel their magic with the blood of innocents and are anarchist and i will happily strike them all down if they only look to cause destruction, hell even one of my favorite non game characters. Fiona, i know what she wants and i feel bad for the things she has put up with, but if she is a war monger, i will strike her down in the name of peace.
I never said they are only usuable as tool, you act as though i dont see them as creatures with feelings. even though i fear a lion i know it has feelings so i will not beat it. but the lions claws are tools to be used, and it must know how to put those claws away. if more mage's were like Wynne i would not have any problem with them, but they aren't, so any mage that think a mage templar war is needed, i will strike down. there must be peace for Thedas, there must be order. I dont say that because they are mage's i say that because they are anarchist. i feel the exact same way about red Templars.
Once again,in your perspective mages are war mongers because they fight for freedom.But what would your stance be if the casteless or elves had did the same thing?
They aren't wrong nor right. Keiran makes a reason point both sides are wrong and extremes are most often wrong. Saying all mages are innocent use arguably there best tool is one thing but when you demonize one group over the over it just add gas to the fire.
We need to find a comprise
I'm not saying mages are right or innocent,but to dismiss their reasons for rebelling as just war mongering is intellectually dishonest.
Mages freedom would inevitably led to a second Tevinter.
But in my view, if the mages are able to seize power, then they deserve it. Tevinter is ruled by mages since the time of it's founding - and it prevails. It battled like 3 Blights, Andraste's conquest, Qunari invasion and constant war with them, probably some Exalted Marches... Before it conquered most of the known world, it won a war against Arlathan and it's immortal ancient elves! By all means, it must mean that Magocracy is quite efficient in it's design. Hell, Tevinter Imperium at it's peak, was able to battle Darkspawn during the First Blight for decades! Without the Wardens aiding them!. How long was Farelden able to battle the Blight? During at most half a year (time of DA:O), whole country was pillaged and destroyed, plunged into a civil war, and it's capital has been captured and set ablaze. If not for the Warden and a lot of luck, Farelden would be nonexistant today.
I'll take Tevinter Magister's rule over civil war and inept kings and regents of Farelden anytime.
I think it was that and mostly because they were practicing their old ways of allowing Seers to be possessed by Spirits.
Of course, Wynne shows Spirit Healers are pretty damn useful.
Once again,in your perspective mages are war mongers because they fight for freedom.But what would your stance be if the casteless or elves had did the same thing?
I have the same feelings about Briala Elves. just like the mage's and templars they all just straight to war to fix their problems, and on their way kill innocents and destroy the balance, and Thedas needs to stay in balance, or have blights taught us nothing? There must be peace. so i see those who wage the templar and mage war in a light of idiocy. i mean why else do you think the elder one targetted the summit? because he knows if it is attack, these people would be too stubborn too close minded to try to stop the war.
You don't need war to cause change. change can come from order and peace. they are just not patient or calm enough to attempt it that way. and don't say its because they have already tried, because many of them didn't.
Elves, Casteless, Mage's, they all suffer from horrible social classes, but they Don't need to fight a war to change. you even see in all the games and books, things are changing for them, in peaceful ways. and yes i will say all who go to war as war mongers. Killing in any name is wrong. for freedom or hatred. Peace is what is needed, always.
Mages freedom would inevitably led to a second Tevinter.
We've seen the alternative to Tevinter in Shale's village. Not all mages want legions of slaves. The guy in Shale's village....wanted to brew mead.
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