The Masked Empire says the Arlathan elves were sold to Tevinter by, well, Arlathan Elves.
Felassan says that ancient Arlathan was similar to Orlais, and WoT reads that slaves in the Imperium can only be freed before a judge, with their owner present to state that the slave has been set free, or by the owner's will reading that the slave has been freed. (page 78)
Felassan says that ancient Arlathan was similar to Orlais, and WoT reads that slaves in the Imperium can only be freed before a judge, with their owner present to state that the slave has been set free, or by the owner's will reading that the slave has been freed. (page 78)
David Gaider talks here about how mages get liberated from the elven slave class if they display magical ability.
Dont peple die when anarchy is achieved
Anarchist philosophy (the actual stuff) point it out as a process not a state. "V for Vendetta" the comic say that what people mean when they say anarchy is usually wrong.
They usually mean CHAOS.
Anarchy is a process when a government is brought down to be replaced by another.
Chaos is when things just get disordered and the legal system breaks down.
Killing the Emperor of Orlais to bring down the government so a democracy can happen=Anarchy.
Killing them just because so there's a civil war and lawlessness=chaos.
In Tevinter magical ability supersedes race, certainly some mages are still low on the pecking order, but they aren't the same as non-magical slaves
In Tevinter magical ability supersedes race, certainly some mages are still low on the pecking order, but they aren't the same as non-magical slaves
Yeah, David Gaider mentioned elven mages are restricted to the lowest of the totem pole because they're still racist jackasses but "Liberati" is still a pretty sweet deal.
Fenris' sister was just a greedy [censored].
David Gaider talks here about how mages get liberated from the elven slave class if they display magical ability.
You're talking about this line: "There is a class that is specific to...well, that's specific to freed slaves. The Liberati - which the slaves who have magic and get freed from slavery." That doesn't read that slaves with magic are automatically freed. It's no different than what WoT reads on page 78, specifically, "Freed slaves are still not considered citizens. They are instead known as Libertari, a subclass with limited rights". This also reinforces how Arlathan elves and Fenris' sister were slaves, despite the issue of magic.
The Masked Empire says the Arlathan elves were enslaved by other elves, and probably sold to Tevinter legally.
As has happened throughout RL history.It's only elvish mythology which makes Tevinter the boogeymen.
There was no slave trade between Tevinter and Arlathan, at all. All slaves and servants were kept within elven society.
And of course Tevinter was the boogeyman, they sunk an entire city into the earth, Atlantis style, and annihilated an entire culture in a single day with blood magic.
There was no slave trade between Tevinter and Arlathan, at all. All slaves and servants were kept within elven society.
Are we sure about that?
I don't have a very rosy view of Elvish Atlantis.
Are we sure about that?
I don't have a very rosy view of Elvish Atlantis.
Yes, damn sure, since lore says repeatedly that Arlathan closed their doors to humanity when Tevinter started to grow into a powerhouse.
Yeah, David Gaider mentioned elven mages are restricted to the lowest of the totem pole because they're still racist jackasses but "Liberati" is still a pretty sweet deal.
Fenris' sister was just a greedy [censored].
Fenris' sister would have automatically been set free due to her being a mage if that was the case. Arlathan elves wouldn't have been enslaved en mass if that was the case.
then my history book was wrong lolAnarchist philosophy (the actual stuff) point it out as a process not a state. "V for Vendetta" the comic say that what people mean when they say anarchy is usually wrong. They usually mean CHAOS. Anarchy is a process when a government is brought down to be replaced by another.Chaos is when things just get disordered and the legal system breaks down.Killing the Emperor of Orlais to bring down the government so a democracy can happen=Anarchy.Killing them just because so there's a civil war and lawlessness=chaos.
Fenris' sister would have automatically been set free due to her being a mage if that was the case. Arlathan elves wouldn't have been enslaved en mass if that was the case.
unless Arlathan elves weren't all mages
unless Arlathan elves weren't all mages
They weren't, as Felassan said. It appears that the magickless were servants/slaves and the lower class.
They weren't, as Felassan said. It appears that the magickless were servants/slaves and the lower class.
Felassan talks about the Dreamers ruling over everyone else.
Felassan talks about the Dreamers ruling over everyone else.
Hmmmm, so perhaps it's just higher level magic talent ruling, like the Dreamers. Doesn't mean that the all the elves had magic though.
Hmmmm, so perhaps it's just higher level magic talent ruling, like the Dreamers. Doesn't mean that the all the elves had magic though.
and the ones who didn't have magic would easily be sellable commodities to Tevinter, though I doubt they did, the two empires did not get along and giving your rivals free labor is generally a poor idea
Well, there's one more thing. Not only Tevinter's had slaves. Dwarves apparently did too:
By Corypheus
You look human. Are you not citizens of the Empire? Slaves then, to the dwarves? Why come you here?
I couldn't see a mention of this in any other source... Seems that the great dwarven Empire was not so different from the Tevinter. Yet no one speaks about it...
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Freedom is nothing more than a leash, Templar! Keep your freedom an let natural selection sort this out.
then mundanes would win through sheer attrition having magic only gives you a slight edge not every mage the warden or hawke. If we go by your logicFreedom is nothing more than a leash, Templar! Keep your freedom an let natural selection sort this out.
Well, there's one more thing. Not only Tevinter's had slaves. Dwarves apparently did too:
By Corypheus
I couldn't see a mention of this in any other source... Seems that the great dwarven Empire was not so different from the Tevinter. Yet no one speaks about it...
being on the receiving end of the darkspawn for centuries more than makes up for it
The Rivain Circle Annulment was also ludicrous.
It undermined any moral high ground the Templars claim to destroy a Circle not because it's demon-possessed but because the Mages visited their families.
NO WONDER they rebelled.
It was demon possessed. The entire female population of the Circle was possessed.
Well, there's one more thing. Not only Tevinter's had slaves. Dwarves apparently did too:
By Corypheus
I couldn't see a mention of this in any other source... Seems that the great dwarven Empire was not so different from the Tevinter. Yet no one speaks about it...
The Dwarves do already have a horrible caste system, so they having slavery doesn't make them much worse.
Also, it could be Coripheus' deduction. Let's remember that he comes from a time when there were only two countries in Thedas: Tevinter and the Dwarven Empire. Nothing more. So if they were humans and weren't part of the Imperium, they could only be part of the Dwarven Empire. But since he comes from a time when empires were race-based (if you aren't from the country's race, you can only be a slave), he also may have thought that humans should be slaves under the Dwarves.
It was demon possessed. The entire female population of the Circle was possessed.
Not all, but a decent majority.
Not all, but a decent majority.
Well, the letter said they were training young girl in the ways of the Seer. It didn't mention sparing any.
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