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[Dean_the_Young]

All lets brainstorm a reasonable solution cause we are dancing in circles (pun intended)

 

Police states are reasonable. [/troll][/only half kidding][/kidding][/confusing [/stuff]]

[Cainhurst Crow]

Restore the circles and reinstall the seekers as a independent organization to conduct investigations and distribute justice within the circles. To act as mediators in mage/templar conflicts, while allowing both sides the autonomy to make their own decisions and conduct their day to day lives.

 

That's about the only way I see this ending that results in the greatest good for the greatest number.

 

EDIT: The seekers, templars, and mages would all be reformed before the restoration of course. After all, this is going to be a war, and the worst side of all three is going to rear its ugly head to be cut off. But it has to happen, before the meaningful change can take place.

[The Baconer]

Sort of how like AIDS is a problem warranting an immune system.

 

When the problem interferes with the normal solution, it's easy to cascade to a point where normally preventable issues becomes severe.

 

Which is why Seekers are not the normal solution.

 

 

Eh, the Seekers really aren't enforcers.

 

They are.

 

 

Plus, it's not really clear at what point in Kirkwall that the Seekers would have had actual issue to find with Meredith to the point of opposing her rather than siding with her.

 

Sure, but it's not like Meredith is the sole point of interest either. Templar abuse and insubordination that worked to undermine the Order's work in the city, mage corruption, and known apostates known to associate with Hawke are all problems that continued to persist despite Meredith's progress over the years that deserved attention.

[raging_monkey]

Restore the circles and reinstall the seekers as a independent organization to conduct investigations and distribute justice within the circles. To act as mediators in mage/templar conflicts, while allowing both sides the autonomy to make their own decisions and conduct their day to day lives. That's about the only way I see this ending that results in the greatest good for the greatest number.

good start but how to prevent any abuse or "accidental" lost of inquiries/stonewalling

[Willowhugger]

Of course, it seems like the answer is, "The Inquisition."

[Cainhurst Crow]

good start but how to prevent any abuse or "accidental" lost of inquiries/stonewalling

 

I imagine stonewalling will be treated as tampering with an ongoing investigation, in which a request will be made to the other group for support in breaking the stonewall, possibly getting chantry or local governmental assistance as well to add some pressure on whoever is responsible.

 

It will be harsh yes, but the harshness is required to ensure that abuse of power isn't allowed.

 

The problem however of "who enforces the law on those who enforce the law" is one thats going to oexist in this system, in fact I doubt it could stop existing in any system tbh.

[Willowhugger]

But yes, the Inquisition may have an advantage over the Templars in that it will have Muggles AND Mages.

[raging_monkey]

But yes, the Inquisition may have an advantage over the Templars in that it will have Muggles AND Mages.

alright but to be safe lets add governments or other ngos to ensure co-op between these factions

[Willowhugger]

alright but to be safe lets add governments or other ngos to ensure co-op between these factions

 

ALL SHOULD BOW BEFORE THE INQUISITION!

[Dean_the_Young]

Which is why Seekers are not the normal solution.

 

In the context of Kirkwall, they would be part of the normal solution to the rise of exceptional circumstances.

 

 

They are.

 

They aren't- they're an underfunded internal police who represent the interests of one person in particular. That might qualify calling them the Divine's enforcers, but not the Chantry's. Their mission set is too high-priority and too limited to be called the enforcers of the Chantry as a whole.

 

 

 

 

Sure, but it's not like Meredith is the sole point of interest either. Templar abuse and insubordination that worked to undermine the Order's work in the city, mage corruption, and known apostates known to associate with Hawke are all problems that continued to persist despite Meredith's progress over the years that deserved attention.

 

 

Not really. The Seekers are small- they aren't general investigators, and certainly not for modest or even non-problems that most of those issues were for the vast majority of the time frame. Small pests are not the job for even smaller police groups: when mage and Templar corruption were known for the first five years of the game, they were being handled by the Templars. When appostates were known to be associating with Hawke, they were not being public menaces and had the political protection of a major noble/the Champion... and it's hard to see how Meredith could have addressed that particular problem other than by seeking to accumulate the power needed to overcome the influence of the nobility.

 

By the point there was a major issue of subversion of the Order's work in the city, an Agent of the Divine was sent- it just found a different problem.

[raging_monkey]

ALL SHOULD BOW BEFORE THE INQUISITION!

lets hope they are still around.
Any other suggestions my few fans

[Willowhugger]

Grey Wardens can earn their keep in-between Blights!

[raging_monkey]

Morally grey overy secretive group not too crazy about that... but seems feasable long as its not too strainous

[The Baconer]

In the context of Kirkwall, they would be part of the normal solution to the rise of exceptional circumstances.

 

Which makes their continued absence even more puzzling, even as said circumstances grew increasingly exceptional.

 

 

They aren't- they're an underfunded internal police who represent the interests of one person in particular. That might qualify calling them the Divine's enforcers, but not the Chantry's. Their mission set is too high-priority and too limited to be called the enforcers of the Chantry as a whole.

 

The person who represents the Chantry as an entity and dictates Chantry doctrine. They are Chantry enforcers to the same extent that the Ben-Hassrath enforce the Qun at the behest of the Ariqun.

 

Not really. The Seekers are small- they aren't general investigators, and certainly not for modest or even non-problems that most of those issues were for the vast majority of the time frame. Small pests are not the job for even smaller police groups: when mage and Templar corruption were known for the first five years of the game, they were being handled by the Templars.

 

These were not non-problems or even modest. The Gallows' dysfunction is noted to be exceptional, both on the forums and within the game. The unprecedented creation of Templar Abominations, for example, was stopped by a third party. Within the same time frame, an entire unit of Templars is found slain in the Chantry with no explanation as to why. While this might not warrant Seeker investigation at this time, it should certainly attract their attention (which it apparently did).

 

 

when mage and Templar corruption were known for the first five years of the game, they were being handled by the Templars. When appostates were known to be associating with Hawke, they were not being public menaces and had the political protection of a major noble/the Champion...

 

As one of the key members of the mage underground, Anders was most certainly a public menace, even before Hawke becomes champion. Hawke him/herself aids Anders in killing one of the Templars' commanding officers, Ser Alrik, and if Hawke is an apostate as well, Meredith is well aware of their presence within the city.

[Master Warder Z_]

And what is that?Mages can't be in positions of leadership?

 

No.

 

Magic should be subservient to leadership at BEST.

 

It should not dictate reality or politics, it may be part of the natural world but that doesn't give it the right to automatically insert it self as defacto dictator of all things.

[raging_monkey]

No. Magic should be subservient to leadership at BEST. It should not dictate reality or politics, it may be part of the natural world but that doesn't give it the right to automatically insert it self as defacto dictator of all things.

what if they were elected no influences. Nobody agrees for de facto magi leadership just compromise

[Master Warder Z_]

what if they were elected no influences. Nobody agrees for de facto magi leadership just compromise

 

Election? Hah! That's a ****ing laugh.

 

Given none of the societies in question even bother with "election" that's a moot question.

[raging_monkey]

No need to swear just a personal inquiry . Just perplexs me that what anders said about no comprise. Which is always possible

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Election? Hah! That's a ****ing laugh.

 

Given none of the societies in question even bother with "election" that's a moot question.

The mages seem to hold votes between the heads of the fraternities.

[Master Warder Z_]

Honestly would i be "comfortable" with a mage leader, if or not they would be elected?

 

No? Because they can use their abilities to influence the minds of others.

[Master Warder Z_]

The mages seem to hold votes between the heads of the fraternities.

 

Did you even bother to check what that post was in response to?

[cjones91]

Honestly would i be "comfortable" with a mage leader, if or not they would be elected?

 

No? Because they can use their abilities to influence the minds of others.

So can any corrupt leader.

[raging_monkey]

That is true as is the first enchanter is often elected with a recommendation from the KC and soon to retire FE

[Master Warder Z_]

So can any corrupt leader.

 

A corrupt king cannot use blood magic to literally force their will upon another man.

 

They can use politics and force but they can not literally force you to place a knife against your throat and pull.

[raging_monkey]

A corrupt king cannot use blood magic to literally force their will upon another man. They can use politics and force but they can not literally force you to place a knife against your throat and pull.

money and status is the non-magi equalvilent of magic. It just takes time for them to do what magi do and arguably more invasive ways.