A group of grown men come toghether in large numbers, purchase weapons and armors forged of the best steel, receive training and then destroy a village.
Connor, eight year old boy, has a bad dream and destroys a village.
That is the difference.
An extreme example, that you would have every mage be blamed for. Where-as a single Templar could do the same to a simiarly sized village, in the same situation.
LOL for a "corrupt heir" to destroy a kingdom would take months... years.
Rulers don't just wake up one morning and say: Bankruptcy! Famine! Death (though admittedly this is probably the easiest - but not normally on the level of a random pissy mage).
...and one could come for you, in the middle of the night, and take you from everything you've ever known or ever loved. Simply because you have the potential to be a threat to others. If this logic would be placed elsewhere, would it still be so fair? Should you lock up an heir, because he could potentially be corrupt and destroy a kingdom?
Of course that might happen. But it is proven that a Mage can cause destruction or be turned into a walking monster with no moral and the power to kill hundreds in moments. this isn't what is right or wrong, this is safety vs liberty. too much liberty will cause no safety too much safety will cause no liberty, but the risk is too high to be liberal with Mages, you don't need to abuse them, but you cannot deny that even one could bring a city to its knees. so you just cannot risk that.
@cjones91: Source? Doesn't happen in two games or three books so far (The Stolent Throne, Asunder or Masked Empire) - didn't happen in that anime cartoon - was it a Codex entry?
It's mentioned by Wynne that some mages never make it to the Circle because they get killed by a angry mob.The Baroness of Black Marsh was killed by the villagers,the mages of the Kirkwall Circle were easily killed by a small group of people and so on.Mages aren't infallible,they die just as easily as any man or woman.
An extreme example, that you would have every mage be blamed for. Where-as a single Templar could do the same to a simiarly sized village, in the same situation.
I serioulsy doubt a single Templar could do the same damage to Redcliff that Connor did.
An extreme example, that you would have every mage be blamed for. Where-as a single Templar could do the same to a simiarly sized village, in the same situation.
I am not blaming every mage; I am saying that when kids are born with the power to destroy towns without even meaning to, measures have to be taken to prevent it.
And no single Templar could destroy a village by himself; much less bring back the corpses of the dead to feast upon the entrails of their living relatives.
The lore disagrees with you.
Lore? if you are speaking of the Elven riots in Arlathan to kill the Mage's and Dreamers. then remember what happens next in that lore. Tevinter mages stood in front of the city and made the world open up and eat the city whole. so those thousands weren't able to stop them. so lore doesn't prove or disprove your point.
LOL for a "corrupt heir" to destroy a kingdom would take months... years.
Rulers don't just wake up one morning and say: Bankruptcy! Famine! Death (though admittedly this is probably the easiest - but not normally on the level of a random pissy mage).
Yet the potential is there, whether they are good or not. Whether it's today or 10 years from now...it's doesn't matter.
Of course that might happen. But it is proven that a Mage can cause destruction or be turned into a walking monster with no moral and the power to kill hundreds in moments. this isn't what is right or wrong, this is safety vs liberty. too much liberty will cause no safety too much safety will cause no liberty, but the risk is too high to be liberal with Mages, you don't need to abuse them, but you cannot deny that even one could bring a city to its knees. so you just cannot risk that.
I'm not saying certain controls need not be in place, I'm jsut bringing up the question...to what extremes do you go?
I am not blaming every mage; I am saying that when kids are born with the power to destroy towns without even meaning to, measures have to be taken to prevent it.
And no single Templar could destroy a village by himself; much less bring back the corpses of the dead to feast upon the entrails of their living relatives.
Certain controls must be in place, for sure, but for any group of power, there must be so. And also there must be a balance of what is and is not too extreme.
Lore? if you are speaking of the Elven riots in Arlathan to kill the Mage's and Dreamers. then remember what happens next in that lore. Tevinter mages stood in front of the city and made the world open up and eat the city whole. so those thousands weren't able to stop them. so lore doesn't prove or disprove your point.
I'm speaking of the many mages that were killed by angry mobs.
I'm speaking of the many mages that were killed by angry mobs.
You give one example. and i could say mobs who killed battalions of Templars or knights, but just because a Mage doesn't know how to watch his 6 doesn't mean he isn't cable of leveling that entire city block.
You give one example. and i could say mobs who killed battalions of Templars or knights, but just because a Mage doesn't know how to watch his 6 doesn't mean he isn't cable of leveling that entire city block.
It just means that mages aren't the infallible forces of destruction you think they are.All it takes is for one stab or slash in the right spot and they can go down just as easily as anyone.
Because everyone who isn't strong enough to control their magic would want to go to the circle. You have metal detectors at court houses not because everyone will bring a weapon, but because everyone has the potential of bringing a weapon, and that's why the Mage's are kept in the circle.
I'm not saying certain controls need not be in place, I'm jsut bringing up the question...to what extremes do you go?
Peace and change can come from order. but when two extremes meet, like Anders and many Templars. Only destruction can come from that. There needs to be order, because chaos will only cause more chaos, even with Andraste's exalted march, it was incredibly chaotic after ancient Ferelden and anciet Orlais taken control by Cult of the makers tribes (forgive me i do not remember the names) my whole point is that there must be order. Templars must be there protectors not wardens, but there must not be any doubt of what a Mage is. I do not normally agree with the Qun but how they feel about mage's is preferable, they do not trust but they respect them for trying to control the power they have.
Ahaha, so if I was a confident and emotionally balanced mage in Thedas I should be held accountable for the 'possibility' of some unforeseen disaster by pathetic mages who don't have the sense to say "no" to a demon offer? I'll take Apostate for 200 Alex. Hello Morrigan, Bethany, and Solas, oh you want to help stop the Blight, oh you want to help survive and protect your family from the Blight, oh you want to help stop the Breach? Thank you for your magical services with no Circle training or forced lifestyle.
Then come up with a working system for those mages rather than punishing an entire people and also for those mages out there who commit sinister acts. If a mage has shown the community of his/her area that they can be trusted and have no record of any crimes then they should be able to lead their own lives and practice their talents in peace. Everyone is tempted with offers, pleasures, and opportunity on a daily basis, that doesn't mean they succumb to those things.
Should we not have gun control because only a few people kill with guns?
It just means that mages aren't the infallible forces of destruction you think they are.All it takes is for one stab or slash in the right spot and they can go down just as easily as anyone.
But you cannot compare them to a regular soldier. And yes mage's are destruction, they are people with regular feelings who can Whipe entire cities out. one Mage can control high dragons, one can shapeshift into one, every Mage has the potential to do this. everyone else. just has the potential to be faster and stronger. and yes that might be able to defeat a Mage. but that doesn't mean we should let Mages run free.
Mages are walking bombs when we would have walking nuclear bombs in real life most peoples would be with idea to defuse them for "greater good" for own safety so well... same with mages there is no sure if mage will explode or not so they should be treated as they will better safe than sorry.
I'm not saying we should butcher Mage's or lock them up in actual prisons, but should we stay ignorant of what they can do?
Should we not have gun control because only a few people kill with guns?
I'm not saying we should butcher Mage's or lock them up in actual prisons, but should we stay ignorant of what they can do?
Be informed for sure. Controls in place, defintely. But what I would like others to understand is that mages are not the only ones who are capable of being destructive and not all should be punished for what a few have done/could potentially do.
Extememists on the other hand...."MAGES ARE BAD, NO MATTER WHAT" I don't undersand.
But you cannot compare them to a regular soldier. And yes mage's are destruction, they are people with regular feelings who can Whipe entire cities out. one Mage can control high dragons, one can shapeshift into one, every Mage has the potential to do this. everyone else. just has the potential to be faster and stronger. and yes that might be able to defeat a Mage. but that doesn't mean we should let Mages run free.
Being destructive isn't limited to mages only,and my point is that mages can be killed.You're making it sound like mages are some invincible gods of destruction that can't be stopped,but two games worth of evidence suggests otherwise.And not all of them can use shapeshifting magic,Morrigan made it perfectly clear that sort of magic is pretty uncommon and only hedge mages know it.
Mages are walking bombs when we would have walking nuclear bombs in real life most peoples would be with idea to defuse them for "greater good" for own safety so well... same with mages there is no sure if mage will explode or not so they should be treated as they will better safe than sorry.
Good luck killing every single mage in existence,you would also have to kill non mages who carry magic in their blood.Of course given your mindset and bloodlust I suspect that wouldn't be a problem for you now would it? 
Anyone is capable of killing with anything. Should we all be locked up for that possibility? I'm talking about a fictional world that plays by different rules then us.
Yes but pretty much im sure that anyone can't nuke your city (teleport throw into fade) or turn into unstoppable creature with kill everyobdy mindset.
Being destructive isn't limited to mages only,and my point is that mages can be killed.You're making it sound like mages are some invincible gods of destruction that can't be stopped,but two games worth of evidence suggests otherwise.And not all of them can use shapeshifting magic,Morrigan made it perfectly clear that sort of magic is pretty uncommon and only hedge mages know it.
It doesn't matter 1 uldred killed almost entire tower with peoples specialized to kill mages and demons now see that scenario in the city add also blight and things like zathrian curse... so yes you can kill mage but mage is a bomb when it explode it is too late.
Good luck killing every single mage in existence,you would also have to kill non mages who carry magic in their blood.Of course given your mindset and bloodlust I suspect that wouldn't be a problem for you now would it?
Again too emotional response that leads to exaggerating what i would have to do not i wouldn't have to kill non-mages...
Mages are walking bombs when we would have walking nuclear bombs in real life most peoples would be with idea to defuse them for "greater good" for own safety so well... same with mages there is no sure if mage will explode or not so they should be treated as they will better safe than sorry.
Might as well destroy any standing army as well. They could potential overthrow the King and Queen. Also all the poor...they could grow to become thieves.
Being destructive isn't limited to mages only,and my point is that mages can be killed.You're making it sound like mages are some invincible gods of destruction that can't be stopped,but two games worth of evidence suggests otherwise.And not all of them can use shapeshifting magic,Morrigan made it perfectly clear that sort of magic is pretty uncommon and only hedge mages know it.
You say i am making them out to be creature of destruction but you have been denying that they can cause destruction. Mage's are not equal, yes they can be killed just the same but they are not equal so you cannot treat them that they are the same, a Mage child and a human child are not the same. one might accidentally smash a vase the other might blow up a room. You can not treat a soldier with a gun the same as one with a tank. Because it is not equal. one is more destructive, doesn't mean it will cause destruction but it just means it is capable.
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