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Kieran G.

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Might as well destroy any standing army as well. They could potential overthrow the King and Queen. Also all the poor...they could grow to become thieves.

Yes actually. wouldn't just one Imperial army be better then separate nations all with their own?



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You say i am making them out to be creature of destruction but you have been denying that they can cause destruction. Mage's are not equal, yes they can be killed just the same but they are not equal so you cannot treat them that they are the same, a Mage child and a human child are not the same. one might accidentally smash a vase the other might blow up a room. You can not treat a soldier with a gun the same as one with a tank. Because it is not equal. one is more destructive, doesn't mean it will cause destruction but it just means it is capable.

I have not denied mages aren't capable of being destructive,but they die just as easily as any human'elf,qunari,or dwarf.



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Yes actually. wouldn't just one Imperial army be better then separate nations all with their own?

In theory, yes but they could be just as much threat if a charismatic general didn't like the King....



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Might as well destroy any standing army as well. They could potential overthrow the King and Queen. Also all the poor...they could grow to become thieves.

exaggeration no i wouldn't overthrowing king is 1 creating blight another , second i would need thousands of peoples to do that when in mage case it takes only 1 to create disaster.Besides now you are comparing thief to mage as well you could compare nuke to knife. 



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Yes but pretty much im sure that anyone can't nuke your city (teleport throw into fade) or turn into unstoppable creature with kill everyobdy mindset.

 

 

It doesn't matter 1 uldred killed almost entire tower with peoples specialized to kill mages and demons now see that scenario in the city add also blight and things like zathrian curse... so yes you can kill mage but mage is a bomb when it explode it is too late. 

 

 

Again too emotional response that leads to exaggerating what i would have to do not i wouldn't have to kill non-mages...

My response wasn't emotional,it was simply a accurate observation of the kill all mages policy you've supported from past posts.Non mages can carry magic in their blood,so will they have to die as well?



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My response wasn't emotional,it was simply a accurate observation of the kill all mages policy you've supported from past posts.Non mages can carry magic in their blood,so will they have to die as well?

Mage's need to be separate until they and society can accept eachother. Mage's need to be in circles to protect the populous and to protect them from the populous. exactly how it was originally meant to be with the nevarran accord.   



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My response wasn't emotional,it was simply a accurate observation of the kill all mages policy you've supported from past posts.Non mages can carry magic in their blood,so will they have to die as well?

No there is no such thing like non-mage carrying magical blood every non-mage can have mage children hell even mage and mage can have non-mage child... 

 

So pretty much i have to kill mages not non-mages.



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Yes but pretty much im sure that anyone can't nuke your city (teleport throw into fade) or turn into unstoppable creature with kill everyobdy mindset.


Look, all I'm saying TKS is that if I was mage in Thedas I shouldn't be forced into the Circle lifestyle if I can handle my abilities and not bring harm to others. It's ridiculous, I'm not saying that Circle life is such a bad things for those who want it but if I have my **** under control and want to spend my time around family and friends I should have that option. We don't know everything about the realm of the Fade, demons, or benevolent spirits, if I want to research that on my own I have a right to that option as a human being. Not everyone should be forced into being Andrastians or following the Chantry's very whim. Don't expect me to sit idle if you wage a whole Templar strike force against me an innocent mage and human being minding my own business. Go attack the mages that deserve that wrath.
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even if the mages are freed from the templar controlled Circles, they will never be as "free" as regular people, using the term incredibly loosely since I'd argue serfdom is worse than the Circles, at least not until the Chantry loosens its preachings on Mages, or if they break away into an entirely new religion



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In theory, yes but they could be just as much threat if a charismatic general didn't like the King....

Yes. just like Rome, but that happens, sometimes you cant stop Mage's escaping or charismatic general (cough cough Gaspard cough) attempting to take the throne. but you should still try to make people safe, from enemies and themselves.



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Look, all I'm saying TKS is that if I was mage in Thedas I shouldn't be forced into the Circle lifestyle if I can handle my abilities and not bring harm to others. It's ridiculous, I'm not saying that Circle life is such a bad things for those who want it but if I have my **** under control and want to spend my time around family and friends I should have that option. We don't know everything about the realm of the Fade, demons, or benevolent spirits, if I want to research that on my own I have a right to that option as a human being. Not everyone should be forced into being Andrastians or following the Chantry's very whim. Don't expect me to sit idle if you wage a whole Templar strike force against me an innocent mage and human being minding my own business. Go attack the mages that deserve that wrath.

No one can say you can handle or not your power without causing disaster zathrian was powerful mage and yet he created disaster same for magisters that went to black city everyone have flaw but in mages case price for that flaw is enormous.



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Mage's need to be separate until they and society can accept eachother. Mage's need to be in circles to protect the populous and to protect them from the populous. exactly how it was originally meant to be with the nevarran accord.


And we see how well that is working out...something needs to change in Thedas. Could it possibly be the Chantry, Templars, and at least more sensible rights for mages? /shrugs

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No there is no such thing like non-mage carrying magical blood every non-mage can have mage children hell even mage and mage can have non-mage child... 

 

So pretty much i have to kill mages not non-mages.

The Amells,Isolde,and many others say otherwise.



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The Amells,Isolde,and many others say otherwise.

Yes leandra that knows nothing about magic and isolde that is dumb as hell pretty much 2 of 3 leandra children can be non-mage despite amell blood and mage parent so well good luck with that...



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Look, all I'm saying TKS is that if I was mage in Thedas I shouldn't be forced into the Circle lifestyle if I can handle my abilities and not bring harm to others. It's ridiculous, I'm not saying that Circle life is such a bad things for those who want it but if I have my **** under control and want to spend my time around family and friends I should have that option. We don't know everything about the realm of the Fade, demons, or benevolent spirits, if I want to research that on my own I have a right to that option as a human being. Not everyone should be forced into being Andrastians or following the Chantry's very whim. Don't expect me to sit idle if you wage a whole Templar strike force against me an innocent mage and human being minding my own business. Go attack the mages that deserve that wrath.

They should not have the option, because some can get out who want to cause destruction or might cause destruction on accident. and the amount of damage a mage can do is too destructive that you cannot risk that. because maybe your character might just want to spend time with your family, but another might get in a fight with his family and destroy entire city blocks out of rage. I mean do you let house hold have catapults on top of their roofs? no? and you don't let them because they have the potential of misusing it on the city or people, not because they will.



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And we see how well that is working out...something needs to change in Thedas. Could it possibly be the Chantry, Templars, and at least more sensible rights for mages? /shrugs

It's not working out because Templars and Mage's are colliding and selfish mage's are not realizing what they are. they are as much regular people as the qunari are human.



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Yes leandra that knows nothing about magic and isolde that is dumb as hell pretty much 2 of 3 leandra children can be non-mage despite amell blood and mage parent so well good luck with that...

The point is is that mages can be born from non mages,it's like the X Gene that causes mutants to be born from non mutants.And anyone who reads X-Men knows that the extreme measures to wipe out mutants also target non mutants who carried the X Gene as well.


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It's not working out because Templars and Mage's are colliding and selfish mage's are not realizing what they are. they are as much regular people as the qunari are human.

So wanting to be treated as people is selfish?And yet you conveniently ignore the fact that a Knight Commander and Lord Seeker were just as selfish.



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The point is is that mages can be born from non mages,it's like the X Gene that causes mutants to be born from non mutants.And anyone who reads X-Men knows that the extreme measures to wipe out mutants also target non mutants who carried the X Gene as well.

He does have a strong point there.



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They should not have the option, because some can get out who want to cause destruction or might cause destruction on accident. and the amount of damage a mage can do is too destructive that you cannot risk that. because maybe your character might just want to spend time with your family, but another might get in a fight with his family and destroy entire city blocks out of rage. I mean do you let house hold have catapults on top of their roofs? no? and you don't let them because they have the potential of misusing it on the city or people, not because they will.

You'll be better locking up everyone then,because they 'might' do something.



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The point is is that mages can be born from non mages,it's like the X Gene that causes mutants to be born from non mutants.And anyone who reads X-Men knows that the extreme measures to wipe out mutants also target non mutants who carried the X Gene as well.

So what? destroying "gene" wasn't my intention because as it is said even 2 non-mages can have mage children what i promote is system that actively hunts down mages not their parents unless of course such parent makes problems then punishment is necessary as in case of all criminals.



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So wanting to be treated as people is selfish?And yet you conveniently ignore the fact that a Knight Commander and Lord Seeker were just as selfish.

I never said they aren't selfish. but mage's pretend they are normal when they are not. do you treat a Lion like a cat? even though they are the same species they are no where near the same.



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You'll be better locking up everyone then,because they 'might' do something.

Isn't that why we have police? because we fear they MIGHT do something.



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No one can say you can handle or not your power without causing disaster zathrian was powerful mage and yet he created disaster same for magisters that went to black city everyone have flaw but in mages case price for that flaw is enormous.


Do I have flaws, of course. Could the flaws I have lead to doing some enormous tragedy, no. Sorry, but I know myself too well. Zathrian's hatred is what lead him to do what he did. We don't know what sort of people the magisters were. With great power comes great responsibility, if you can handle that then why would I be an issue for your assualt? I dont expect to change your mind or mindset on whatever problem you have with mages or devotion you have with the Templar order. I'm simply saying if I was myself a mage in Thedas I would have no need to be your enemy. I'm a very strong willed and independent person, but I have a right to defend myself against anyone who would do be harm for no reason other than being born what I am be it from close minded citizens, templars, or demons.

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Isn't that why we have police? because we fear they MIGHT do something.

The police can't lock you up for life just because you 'might do something',they need probable cause and proof of you committing  a crime.


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