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[Sylvius the Mad]

Eh, we just disagree then.

I don't really know how they would have gone about limiting abilities or spell usage any other way that would have gone over any better. Dragon's Dogma used a similar technique (more limiting) and it definitely upped the tactical approach.

Limit our access to resources. Make spell use more resource intensive.

They're not rewarding planning here; they're just not giving you another alternative. And it's not possible to plan better - you still only get 8 abilities no matter what. Where's the reward?

[Biotic Sage]

I'm rather concerned that this has some implications for our tactics screen.  I will be really disappointed if I'm limited to 8 options.  I hope we get some more information about this soon.  

 

Already confirmed that you can only set tactics for each character based on their chosen 8 active abilities.

[CronoDragoon]

I'm rather concerned that this has some implications for our tactics screen.  I will be really disappointed if I'm limited to 8 options.  I hope we get some more information about this soon.  

 

If anything I think you'll be able to equip more tactics, since you'll need tactics for different builds and abilities.

[Chari]

Actually, based on gameplay videos we'll fight lots of diffirent enemies at the same time

Not just templars. But also mages. And demons. And animals. And dragons. All in one area

Good luck finding a good tactic against all of these almost at once

[Morroian]

Or, alternately, some of the posters here need to get over their sense of entitlement.

 

As has already been said 140 chars is not room enough to comprehensively explain it. What is wrong with asking for a more detailed explanation?

[Brogan]

Mike or someone else needs to make a comprehensive post here in the interests of transparency.

This would absolutely be a good thing right about now. This thread is just about to break the sound barrier.

[slimgrin]

Here's the justification: IT'S. THEIR. *******. GAME.

 

They can build it however they want to build it. If, after the build the game, you decide you don't like it, you are more than free to not buy the game.

 

That does NOT MEAN, however, that they owe you explanations of how and why they built it. They DO NOT OWE YOU anything.

 

Stop acting like it.

 

You really are the strawman king, lol. People are allowed to critique a design choice.

[AresKeith]

It won't be

And every time someone tries to ask or demand a logical explanation they'll get called whinners and trolls and stuff

Might as well leave the thread, nothing to see here

 

Some people would consider it a lie anyway

[Fredvdp]

You've played through the game then already, have you?

Everyone in this forum is speculating based on information we have. I'm no different. If you have a good reason to believe my speculation is wrong, then enlighten me instead of posting a cliché comment.

[Vapaa]

 

And the short, blunt answer is that every combat situation is different. If you have specked Sera as a sniper, she's not going to be much use to you in CQC. The same with Magi. They are using different weapons (in some cases), different techniques, and altogether different tactics. In the real world, when we prep someone for a specific situation, we don't expect them to use skills that don't relate to that situation.

 

No, all mages uses staves, so all your mages talents should be available at any time.

[ianvillan]

If there's just one way to fight Red Templars, those fights are going to get really boring really fast.

 

Exactly and that also does not take into account the environment each different encounter is in, if you just loadout for Red Templars then their is no tactics in that what so ever. Tactics should tack into account the environment and how to use it for your advantage how to separate the enemies or stop certain enemies at certain times.

[TKavatar]

How about first or random encounters with enemies that are immune to one class of skills? Is there anyway I can get information of that enemy before I engage it? If the answer is yes then I am content with the limitations

 

You only get the information once you have engaged it IIRC.

[Morroian]

That's fine if that's how you feel, but after the backlash against wave mechanics, and the associated desire from gamers to be able to see enemy encounters and positioning in order to plan strategically, that realistically wasn't really an option for DAI.

 

Its not an either/or situation. The Legacy DLC managed to find a good middle ground in terms of encounter design.

[falconlord5]

If you cant create tactics for every encounter then it means you would have to change your loadout before every encounter.

 

Either it comes down to having the same abilities for every Templar fight which is in no way tactical at all or it means stopping your game before every encounter and opening up the menu and going through to pick up which abilities you need for this fight.

 

Um, but you can. And tactics aren't limited by abilities. They also involve terrain, enemy placement and movement, enemy abilities, weapons (both yours and the enemies), armour (again, both yours and the enemies)...

 

Or are you referring to the auto-tactics menu? Frankly, I always found that pretty useless, but I'm sure you will be able to switch between several different loadouts.

 

And again, you will probably only have to switch based on area and quest, not every encounter. Or you just use a broad skillset.

[Sister Goldring]

Already confirmed that you can only set tactics for each character based on their chosen 8 active abilities.

 

Thanks, I didn't catch that confirmation.  Well that's just ..........really badly want to swear.......not what I wanted to hear.  

[Father_Jerusalem]

As has already been said 140 chars is not room enough to comprehensively explain it. What is wrong with asking for a more detailed explanation?

Mainly? The fact that you feel you are owed one.

 

Mike and Co. do not need to come to the forums and explain every single decision that went into making the game and handhold people who are scared of change. 

 

That they, on occasion, CHOOSE to do so is something that I will, quite frankly, never understand considering that all they get for their trouble is more rage and hate.

[aaarcher86]

Limit our access to resources. Make spell use more resource intensive.

They're not rewarding planning here; they're just not giving you another alternative. And it's not possible to plan better - you still only get 8 abilities no matter what. Where's the reward?

 

The reward would be not dying, I suppose.  Because you have the optimal spells or abilities for a certain enemy force equipped. 

 

They did limit our access to resources as well, so they go hand in hand.

[Father_Jerusalem]

You really are the strawman king, lol. People are allowed to critique a design choice.

Critique away. 

 

But understand that there's a difference between critiquing and demanding explanations and raging at the devs for building a game they way they choose to.

[seraphymon]

Here's the justification: IT'S. THEIR. *******. GAME.

 

They can build it however they want to build it. If, after the build the game, you decide you don't like it, you are more than free to not buy the game.

 

That does NOT MEAN, however, that they owe you explanations of how and why they built it. They DO NOT OWE YOU anything.

 

Stop acting like it.

And heres the irony. They arent building a game for THEMSELVES.  They are making a game to sell to people and putting decisions based on what they think would do good or what they think we like. This is just throwing darts at a dart board and seeing what sticks. This is a bad, although lately, a forseeable decision.  

 

Stop trying to be their defender.

[falconlord5]

No, all mages uses staves, so all your mages talents should be available at any time.

 

Not necessarily. It may require a different mindset for AOE spells and CQC spells, for example. Or fire and ice spells.

 

It certainly requires different techniques on part of the Mage, independent of their weapons.

[CronoDragoon]

Thanks, I didn't catch that confirmation.  Well that's just ..........really badly want to swear.......not what I wanted to hear.  

 

He means it's been confirmed that non-player controlled characters can still only use 8. You can obviously set more than 8 tactics, it just won't execute ones you don't have equipped.

 

Just wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page.

[Morroian]

Mainly? The fact that you feel you are owed one.

 

Keep milking those strawmen.