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Sustained abilities were always garbage. They're just passive bonuses. The argument that there's a tactical decision in terms of mana caps is ridiculous.
Well then they should have improved the opportunity cost system instead of trashing it, in my opinion. But we'll see how the new system works in DA:I. Could be good, who knows. It's definitely not going to be the same sort of game as DA:O aspired to be, but that's not necessarily a bad thing to me. If it's fun to play, then it's fun to play.
I do hope there are more than 8.
In DAO I used all 26 available on 720p:
Admittedly in DA2 I used considerably less:
But still... 
If we're only going to get 8 slots, I hope they've drastically changed how abilities work.
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Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw 22s
PC Question 3: Why 8? A: 32 abilities (along with passives/upgrades) across the party provides a broad spectrum of tactical options.
No It's not. Better animation does not mean action rpg. You would think people would understand that after playing da2 on pc.
I said "leaning more toward" action RPG. Moreso than the past titles. That doesn't make it a pure action RPG, but they designed the game so you can play it that way much more easily if you want to than DA2 or DA:O.
It looks great and fancy
But kinda disappointed we only have 8 abilities to use at a time... 
I'm one of those who feel the need to have access to all the abilities I have learned... but well, what can we do? haha maybe some day there will be a mod to improve it...
Now, I'll go through DAO and DA2 only using 8 abilities and see if I can do it 
Personally I think this is a bit of an overreaction. The loss of sustained abilities is much more concerning to me than an 8 ability limit. 8 abilities x 4 party members = 32 abilities. And if every ability is more potent, then each activation is more meaningful. There's still plenty of options available to us, and it could be even more interesting choosing what combination of 8 you want to go with. I'll wait until I play the game to judge.
Well, let's see. I can get the 32 abilities is enough if they did it from the get go in DA games. They didn't. Additionally, what if you quickslotted abilties that the enemies will be immune to ? What if you quickslotted all 8 with fire spells and you meet an enemy that is immune to fire ?
Dragon Age Inquisition: best toolbar management simulator (with RPG elements) of the year!
If they limit consoles, who also had the ability to use all of their talents, I don't see why they wouldn't limit PC.
I'd agree with some of the other posters that the limitation, was done for design reasons, and is more than likely to promote forethought and planning.
You mean metagaming. Because I don't see this promoting crap, except for that. All I see is; Player goes into a zone -> 8 abilities locked -> gets his as$ handed to him because he can't access talents that he knows are useful here -> loads game -> changes up abilities before entering zone -> goes in and deals with the enemies.
Tactical gameplay involves adapting to the situation and using different talents with differing combat conditions. This doesn't occur when you're pinned down by the same useless abilities you used in a different scenario.
Don't tell me that's not enough for a fight.
It's enough, but you will lose gameplay variety, because the one super-specialized but super-effective ability that occupied the hotbar in case you needed it will not sit in a menu, never used because you can't predict you'd have to use it.
I have never even said that the limit is because of the consoles. What I was stating is that considering the lead platform already had a limitation of 8 and because the lead platform's UI can also be used on the PC it stood to reason that the keyboard and mouse UI would also have the same amount of abilities available. That is it.No matter what platform da is, it's always a point and click rpg. Point and click rpgs always have issue translating to consoles. There is nothing that can be don't to make a point and click rpg more controllable on consoles then pc's unless they turn it into an action rpg like mass effect. Limiting to a selection of 8 tabs has nothing to do with the console port being a lead platform. This would have to do with how complex they want to make the combat. Even with da2 pc ui it was make to be expandable.
It's enough, but you will lose gameplay variety, because the one super-specialized but super-effective ability that occupied the hotbar in case you needed it will not sit in a menu, never used because you can't predict you'd have to use it.
For the record, I totally agree with you guys.
I personally don't remember how many abilities I used
Painful misdirection...
Makes me wonder what the real reason is
You mean metagaming. Because I don't see this promoting crap. All I see is; Player goes into a zone -> 8 abilities locked -> gets his as$ handed to him because he can't access talents that he knows are useful here -> loads game -> changes up abilities before entering zone -> goes in and deals with the enemies.
Tactical gameplay involves adapting to the situation and using different talents with differing combat conditions. This doesn't occur when you're pinned down by the same useless abilities you used in a different scenario.
Do not want. That brings back bad memories from TW2. I loved the game, but I hated having to know what enemies you were up against in order to prepare properly.
Well then they should have improved the opportunity cost system instead of trashing it, in my opinion. But we'll see how the new system works in DA:I. Could be good, who knows. It's definitely not going to be the same sort of game as DA:O aspired to be, but that's not necessarily a bad thing to me. If it's fun to play, then it's fun to play.
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Is there anyway I can get to the abilities? A write click to the ability menu or something. I don't want to have to prepare my abilities before every encounter.
Has expected.
Get gimpy with it!
But honestly theey wanted to stress planning for things ahead of time if I recall so that interface makes sense. Can still use a gaming mouse well enough with everything hot keyed.
The whole point of playing as a mage is having multiple spells available that apply to certain circumstances, Now I'm almost sure that I will have to change the abilities for most fights and this will be tedious and definitely not fun.
Ok, I get it. I COULD use fewer spells, I guess, but it simplifies the combat and makes it boring.
Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw 22s
PC Question 3: Why 8? A: 32 abilities (along with passives/upgrades) across the party provides a broad spectrum of tactical options.
Mr Laidlaw, misdirecting the query does not answer the question.
Question :- "Why there are 8 abilities now ?" Now as in DA:I. DA:O an DA 2 did not have it.
Saying "We will have 32 so it will be enough" is not answering the question. We want to know why the change was made across all platforms in the first place.
Sounds like purposeful gimping to me. A tactical and strategic game would allow the player to choose what abilities they want to use, not force the players to meta game and quick reload.
Poor game design choice at work here.
Or they could have just, you know, not changed it.
I would have preferred that. But if they're going to change it, pretending like WHEN they change it matters is silly. The question was, 'why now?' Well, if they wanted to change it for gameplay reasons, why not now?
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Makes me wonder what the real reason is
Whoa. It's almost like there was never a possibility that we weren't going to get a distinct PC UI. 
Well, let's see. I can get the 32 abilities is enough if they did it from the get go in DA games. They didn't. Additionally, what if you quickslotted abilties that the enemies will be immune to ? What if you quickslotted all 8 with fire spells and you meet an enemy that is immune to fire ?
I acknowledge your concern, but...
-That we know of, there are only 5: (Flashfire, Fire Burst thing, Fire Mine, Wall of Fire, and Firestorm). So some diversity is pretty likely in abilities.
-I know they've commented that you can sort of see enemies before they see you (we've seen this a bit in the demo), and you can switch them out of combat. So I'm guessing that, in most cases, you'll have time to switch things up if you need to.
-Part of you picking all fire spells has an inherent risk in it as part of the build (assuming you have nothing else at that time).
Painful misdirection...
Yep, Bioware really needs to be transparent here and honest. Please devs why 8?
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