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[akots1]

Not sure if anybody else has done this previously. I was just curious to see whether it is possible. Actually, very possible and somewhat an easy mode despite a few hairy moments.

 

Build http://kalence.drupa...5!!13Q563!6D39G

 

It takes quite a long time, over 45 mins, but I got 10 ws. Some better player can certainly do it faster. Objectives were escort (w3), pizza (w6), and targets (w10). I had to spend 4 rockets, 3 of them on wave 10 as I could not switch the targets on the first two tries and did not notice it switched to phantom of the third. But it can be certainly done without rockets. Also spent 3 ops packs. The electric shield was very helpful as it slowed down dragoons and enabled some tech bursts. IMO, cyclonics would be a waste and a slow down.

 

[TheNightSlasher]

I did it a while back vs. Geth. I tried to play like a geth prime - no heavy melee, no shield, siege pulse specced for 3 shots and only use siege pulse.

was fun. Oh, and congrats on the solo, akots.

[Lucky]

*Sigh* worst addition to ME3MP ever as far as balance goes.

 

Not only does it trivialize everything under plat, it makes games take longer to...

 

Biower pls.

[TheNightSlasher]

^ if you mean the juggernaut is one of the worst additions, I am going to disagree with you. There are far worse things.

The juggernaut is one of the most unique characters and I think BW did a fine job with it.

[akots1]

Yes, he is a vampiric monster from the outer space.

[akots1]

*Sigh* worst addition to ME3MP ever as far as balance goes. ...

 

Stimpacks (TGI and havoc) and repair matrix (EDIbot) share the first spot, Juggy does not come close even remotely.

 

I think, I'm going to try EDI bot melee only solo with grenade capacity and cyclonics. Should be doable on silver, maybe on gold. Have to be geth though. I'm also not giving up on Justicar powers only versus reapers but it is very difficult especially on objective waves.

[Lucky]

Stimpacks (TGI and havoc) and repair matrix (EDIbot) share the first spot, Juggy does not come close even remotely.

 

I think, I'm going to try EDI bot melee only solo with grenade capacity and cyclonics. Should be doable on silver, maybe on gold. Have to be geth though. I'm also not giving up on Justicar powers only versus reapers but it is very difficult especially on objective waves.

@NS: Yes, I was refering to the Jugg. He would be fine, but only if his heavy melee had a long cooldown.

 

I would argue that the Juggernaut shares in the three way tie for worst/most OP additions to the game (in 4 person team games). Sure the Jugg can't kill like the AIU and TGI but the prevalence of plat/giant/reapers farming with a jugg and 3 cheesy (often flamer) DPS classes hiding behind it is a testament to how OP the Jugg can be in a team setting.

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing with him, ambling around the battlefield and Dakkaing with the Typhoon for ridiculous durations. But I'd trade it in a heartbeat to rid ME3MP of people playing melee Juggies and making the game more boring by tanking everything while doing minimal damage. For the record, I would also get rid of the TGI and AIU as well, if it was up to me.

 

Edit: BTW OP, sorry if I implied anything negative about you by my posts. If so, it was unintentional. My dislike was directed purely at the kit.

[Excella Gionne]

The Geth Juggernaut drains souls!!!! Shang Tsung is jelly!

[TheNightSlasher]

@lucky: You can camp around a volus with shield boost and do the same thing. And volus even gives your shields back - so, volus need to be kicked out of ME3 MP first.

 

As far as OP goes, a team with 4 GIs can clear platinum on any map in under 15 mins without rockets. So, GI should be kicked out before.

 

And just because most ppl play melee juggernaut doesn't make the character bad. Sure, sometimes I get annoyed by a melee only jugg, but it is much much better than a flamer spammer or a shield booster who locks you out, snap freeze spammer. Atleast a melee juggernaut doesn't cause you inconvenience directly. The others directly affect your gameplay. And then TGI, havoc and AIU take up grenades that others could use for AoE damage. Once again, I don't see the juggernaut being the worst addition.

 

Would it be better if his HM had a longer CD? Well, may be. Then again, a lot of things could've been made better in this game.

[Lucky]

A Volus can't hold back the tide of sync kill capable units on plat. They do not fill the same role as the Jugg.

 

As for the 4 GIs business, sure GI is the most powerful kit in the game, in the hands of a skilled player. Maximum killing speed and efficiency =/= most overpowered. IMO most OP is defined by a ratio. That ratio is: greatest output (effect upon the game) divided by player input (effort/skill/whatever). By that metric, GI is less OP than the Jugg/AIU/TGI. If we disagree over what makes something OP, then it becomes a debate about semantics (which is fine, but needs to be framed as such).

[akots1]

... I'd trade it in a heartbeat to rid ME3MP of people playing melee Juggies and making the game more boring by tanking everything while doing minimal damage. ...

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I don't care after a certain point, probably after maxing the manifest which was a year ago. People can play what they want, I don't mind. There is almost nothing left in this game that annoys me, I got used to everything except bad lag. Melee juggy is not the worst case usually, they can be easily carried with minimal effort and minimal sanity on their part unlike many other characters which take actual effort to carry. Lag is the worst hindrance in this game.

 

There are very few characters that can solo gold without shooting. Kroguard/geth is easy part and actually, I don't know of any other, apart from juggy, that can solo gold on PC against at least cerberus. I think, paladin should be able to do it against geth as well. That might be not that hard, I'm certainly going to try. Objectives would be the tricky part, at least for me.

 

Edited: Probably, flame trooper or vorcha should do well against reapers. Might need to take shield evo on the flamer though,  not sure.

[akots1]

... sure GI is the most powerful kit in the game, in the hands of a skilled player. ...

GI cannot solo gold with just his proxy mine and melee, so the point is kinda moot.

[TheNightSlasher]

By that metric, GI is less OP than the Jugg/AIU/TGI. If we disagree over what makes something OP, then it becomes a debate about semantics (which is fine, but needs to be framed as such).

GI has cloak. Doesn't matter how skilled the player is, cloak + wall hax alone puts him above the juggernaut in terms of OP-ness, irrespective of the player's skill level.

[akots1]

... I think, I'm going to try EDI bot melee only solo with grenade capacity and cyclonics. Should be doable on silver, maybe on gold. Have to be geth though. ...

Tried twice, geth silver on FBWhite, failed miserably on waves 4 and 5 due to severe stunlock. Cannot use RM, cannot do nothing. I think, this is not possible and was a bad idea.

[Deerber]

[chcknwng]

Tried twice, geth silver on FBWhite, failed miserably on waves 4 and 5 due to severe stunlock. Cannot use RM, cannot do nothing. I think, this is not possible and was a bad idea.

Giant/Reactor Reapers. Kite the banshees/Brutes and make good use of the slopes.

[chcknwng]

I don't care after a certain point, probably after maxing the manifest which was a year ago. People can play what they want, I don't mind. There is almost nothing left in this game that annoys me, I got used to everything except bad lag. Melee juggy is not the worst case usually, they can be easily carried with minimal effort and minimal sanity on their part unlike many other characters which take actual effort to carry. Lag is the worst hindrance in this game.
 
There are very few characters that can solo gold without shooting. Kroguard/geth is easy part and actually, I don't know of any other, apart from juggy, that can solo gold on PC against at least cerberus. I think, paladin should be able to do it against geth as well. That might be not that hard, I'm certainly going to try. Objectives would be the tricky part, at least for me.
 
Edited: Probably, flame trooper or vorcha should do well against reapers. Might need to take shield evo on the flamer though,  not sure.

  

GI has cloak. Doesn't matter how skilled the player is, cloak + wall hax alone puts him above the juggernaut in terms of OP-ness, irrespective of the player's skill level.

Lucky pls. Are you saying GI is less op than Juggy????

[RealKobeBean]

Personally, I love the Juggernaut when played correctly. Offensive Jugg is the best Jugg.

What I don't understand, is the hate for the TGI/EDI/GI. They are great characters for people that are just getting adjusted to a higher difficulty. They allow less experienced people to learn the ropes of a certain difficulty, without being a liability to the team. That's a good thing, imo. We have a ton of kits, so it's merely logical to have a few kits that are more user-friendly.

People over here are generally more experienced that the common Pug, so I get why you'd avoid those kits like the plague. I personally do that, too. Unless I have a lobby full of people I don't trust to handle themselves on Gold/Platinum; then, I will just go with the GI...so I can clutch waves quickly and carry their asses to victory. Which is not a bad thing, becausw those people can use the Xp and the credits, and I show them how to survive better under pressure.

What I'm trying to say, is there's different ways to look at those kits. Yes, they can be cheesy for the more seasoned players. However, the benefits of having such kits in the game are there, too. I believe you have think about the players that are less experienced, as well.

[RealKobeBean]

OP-ness - is - determined by a player's skills level. I've seen people drop like flies with "OP" kits like TGI, whist I can stay on my feet with the Drell vanguard for an entire plat match. Is he OP, too? I say, just drop this whole "OP thing." Those kits are only powerful in the right hands, of people that know how to take advantage of said kits.

Also, a person that doesn't land headshots - like myself - because of bad reflexes, will not get the most out of the GI. Therefore, the GI played by me can easily be outscored by a well-played Turian Soldier. And that's why people start the whole "OP" discussion, because they care about their score a little too much. Just go out and have fun, and remember that not everyone makes the kit shine as much as you do. Therefore, I think it's a little brutal to say things like," Throw the GI out of the airlock."

Just my opinion, though. I respect anyone's opinion here; I merely want to offer a different view on the matter.

[akots1]

... I say, just drop this whole "OP thing." ...

 

No, don't drop, not yet. Weapons, and I mean all weapons, are OP, even shuriken. Their only place is to be a holder for power amps or omni blades. I'm still undecided about grenades but it is a personal bias, as I like grenades too much to give up.

[akots1]

Giant/Reactor Reapers. Kite the banshees/Brutes and make good use of the slopes.

Will work on bronze, not sure about silver, I don't think I'm going to try.

[SilJeff]

since it won't let me choose what to buy and because the RNG is never helpful to me anymore, I STILL haven't gotten a Juggernaught. I even have the Awakened Collector and Volus Engineer

[chcknwng]

Will work on bronze, not sure about silver, I don't think I'm going to try.

Why not on Gold? I think it will work but probably takes a long while with all the kiting.

[N7 Tigger]

^ if you mean the juggernaut is one of the worst additions, I am going to disagree with you. There are far worse things.

The juggernaut is one of the most unique characters and I think BW did a fine job with it.

 

Yeah, the Juggernaut's not the problem, it's how people use it.