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You haven't actually seen much of Visual Novels have you?
The shy girl is one character. There are many other characters.
Anyway, there is nothing wrong with the female companions. I'm only disappointed that our female PC is so strong, beautiful and a good leader. What if I'm as bad a leader as Alistair assumes he will be?
Like the crazy Yandere that kills you when you stray off her route after starting it XD
Wants female character who is submissive, non aggressive, sweet, demure, not battle minded, wears long flowing dresses instead of armor, etc...insists that they be a companion...who joins you in combat. 
. Sounds like Liara to meWants female character who is submissive, non aggressive, sweet, demure, not battle minded, wears long flowing dresses instead of armor, etc...insists that they be a companion...who joins you in combat.
. Sounds like Liara to me
She always did strike me as kind of an anime stereotype (the sweet, shy, naïve girl next door with a crush). To me it didn't really make sense for her to be a battle companion and not just an advisor or crew member. She seemed incapable and somewhat cowardly as well as being inexperienced.
Whilst that lack of female companions is prevalent, I don't mind the few well written ones we do have. It isn't a complete sausage feast especially if you intend to play as a female inquisitor. If you do play boobquisitor, the sausage to hot-pocket ratio evens out. ( I don't know what possessed me to type that sentence but I don't regret it one bit)
I'm completely happy with the diversity that Bioware has presented. The only companion I wished for was a serious female dwarf warrior.That would've been hook, line, sinker for my future dwarf play-through. No dwarf romances again (that we know of) 
. I guess my female dwarf will ride the bull.
But, but, a dwarf riding the Bull, that is going to be awesome alone wouldn't it? Poor dwarves, but at least its cute watching LI's stoop down to give kisses.
Someone nonaggressive in combat is going to be interesting.....
"Monsters, they going to eat me", female noncombatant *runs away*
Inquisi, "Yeah, thanks for the support, at least Josie would of been smart enough to kill them, to stay alive." **wonders if the non fighting companion made it back to base yet after running away**
**at base** Inquis, "huh, what da ya know, she couldn't get past that grunt, useless again. Varric why did I recruit someone to be at my side on the battlefield that cant fight?" Varric, "Cause, you said she could cook for us while out in the field, whilst she pick daisies, we get butchered."
EDIT: I use female/woman cause of OP, I don't mean to shun women, they are very capable of defending themselves or hope they should be able to. I don't want to worry about watching my own back when I know they are capable of it. Didn't recruit someone in a warzone that cant fight.
Ok. So what I think your asking is this. Hopefully I read this right as far as your quote to mine.
You want a moment of rest before going back to the action. Example that I think of is when two people just faced a harrowing experience (danger and lived) that they can sit in a park for a few and enjoy the sites (till player initiates leaving that sequence). I think I figured it out. Yes, that is generally done at the home or camp or base of operation. Nothing does stop you from sitting in an area before moving on. You do ask for a scene of pleasantries for a moment in middle of all that. Makes sense. But dont use "all" as that refers to each time, which is what you said. Try saying.
I would like a moment of rest with my companions in a scene away from action please.
Is that what you want? I agree to it.
Women, not tough minded? You do astound me. I have yet met a woman that will not get aggressive when someone threatens them. Regardless, these women in the game will be rough at times and peaceful at other times, just like real women. You want their soft spots they will have those too.
Again, Vivienne is a lady. You diverted away from what I brought up earlier. Ladies of 1600's to 1800's is Vivienne and she is ladies of 1600's to 1800's. They most times will not get walked on by common rabble, they never did when they are part of the upper class. This is Vivienne and you will get to see more of who she is when it comes out.
At this point, I am done with this thread, as it seems to only wish to instigate argument for joy. I maybe wrong but that is what I see. Of course you can argue that your not and thereby proving its true you seek arguments.
Well it sounds like we're not necessarily that far apart, if I get the meaning there.
I don't think theres any point in going back to this Vivienne thing or whatever, if all we're going to keep doing is going oh she's really so very mannish oh really no she's not that just feels like going in a circle here. If you polled some random people outside of the safe haven of BSN girly girl is not what people are going to say about Sera, Viv, or Cass. They'll identify them as female, they might acknowledge the tiniest bit of feminine characteristics, and go yeah.. not really a bastion of femininity.
I'd also daresay that they won't be saying that about Iron Bull, Blackwall, or any of these.. such people. If Bioware were more interested in exploring this vast ocean of possibility that is female spirit and desire I'd say they'd have covered their bases better but alas.
Wants female character who is submissive, non aggressive, sweet, demure, not battle minded, wears long flowing dresses instead of armor, etc...insists that they be a companion...who joins you in combat.
Yep, spot on. Where's my cheerleader with a big sword!? Damn it all.
I must confess I'm not entirely sure why you two are here, do you think there should or should not be more female characters in the game? Do you just hate Peach like or Sailor Moon type characters (which I've never seen... not a Mario fan either... but they seem to be the types your focused on) are bad characters that shouldn't be viewed and are a bad influence?
Anyway whoever's left it's just a lot less complicated than this has been made out to me, DA;I is very bro-mancy, wish it weren't, the end.
I did this for shits and giggles. I asked and showed a few of my female cousins and some co-workers.
They laughed and said, are you kidding, they are obviously females. *shrugs* There ya go.....
These two specific cousins don't play games, nor do the 5 female co-workers I just randomly asked. They know me for working here long enough and looked at me strange. Yes, they are women. If they are men, then they are really good cross dressers. 
Adding, I just took the pictures over to the other guys I work with, they made snide remarks about looking at porn when I showed them those girls. They said, if your questioning that they are females, go away, we don't want hit on.
Non-gamers that saw Sera, Vivienne and Cassandra...don't know them for a lick of..... just saw what they looked like in picture said those are females. So, yes, you are just arguing. But glad we did get on same sheet of music for that first part of our issue.
And again...... Nefla is being sarcastic....
I didn't ask if someone would literally confuse them for being a woman, that would in fact be a superficial and sexist way of analyzing what it means to be a woman or be a man. In fact that's literally my entire problem, this fixation on physical bodies, here's a woman and there's a woman, oh but that's man, physically. How about, here's a woman, that also happens to act like a woman. I think the essence of femininity conflicts with the essence of masculinity, it's been that way for centuries. It seems no one can stand Cercei for instance in Game of Thrones, but I think that's because she's a representation of a feminine woman to a masculine world, seemingly overly selfish. The reality is that it's a pretty lame and deeply flawed portrait, all things considered, but at least it's there. I guess Sera might be the best parallel.
I don't think the controversy in gaming about women is (merely) about the lack of physically present women, although that happens. I know plenty of women that are hyper masculine, it's not a bad thing, (and yes for the post below, they are still obviously women) but I think in many ways those women are aligned with at least some men in their hatred of "feminine" women.
I care about characters when their intimidating or interesting or something, these girls are just like a lot of guys I know, I don't see a flash of wow, and that's also going on crazy, nope.. just.. that.
Also I'm still curious if you hate Sailor Venus or Peach or whatever, think they are bad people, etc. Actually you know what, I'd be interested in all of BSN's response to that question. Anyone (or no one) who wants to chime in, feel free.
Women are no longer women unless they act like women?
I..,what.
Women are no longer women unless they act like women?
I..,what.
Can you guys collect the ZOMG THIS IS SO UNREAL reactions into one giant gif and then make them in one post, that would be more organized.
No, you will receive these packages separately and you will like it.
Blocking Kefka now.... just wants to argue, figured that before, but false hope.... Kefka has a reputation of not listening apparently elsewhere too.
Oy.
At any rate, I wouldn't have even said oh god your so bad if you do hate peach, or whatever, but in the absence of clarity on the issue, I shall have to assume that it may very well be the case.
You seem delusional, Kefka.
May I recommend a therapist?
These women not adhering to your standards does suggest no such thing. We are humanoid, therefore we are bound to exhibit some form of similiar behavior.
Look forward to your next rant.
What?
I said these characters are boring? I just want more of a gentle and calm girl? This is crazy? It seems to me, that the reverse is true, you are demanding I accept these characters and that any deviance is somehow tremendously misguided.
Also, gentle is crazy? So... I take it you prefer the women that come at you swinging an axe? So that is normal... ok... makes perfect sense, got ya.
Sounds like Japanese dating sims are right up your alley. The girls are young, submissive, shy, unaccomplished, etc...
I'd also like to note that the level of hostility for these ideas is significantly greater than on less "progressive" gaming forums, which is... interesting.
I'm going for Josephine, who isn't swinging any axes. So, no. They are not my preference but it's not out of the ordinary to find giant axe swinging females in Thedas.
Well it sounds like we aren't too far apart then, Josephine is kind of a nice character, and the fact that a lot the Bioware fans are enthusiastic about her suggests that would make sense to have I don't know, a bit more Josephine? There's a character out there that resembles both Josephine and a Vivienne simultaneously I believe.
Well it sounds like we aren't too far apart then, Josephine is kind of a nice character, and the fact that a lot the Bioware fans are enthusiastic about her suggests that would make sense to have I don't know, a bit more Josephine? There's a character out there that resembles both Josephine and a Vivienne simultaneously I believe.
That would be Lelianna, at best.
You had her in Origins.
P.S We're buying the game to find out. Knowing EVERYTHING is bad.
How about, here's a woman, that also happens to act like a woman.
There are many problems I have with this wording. What does a woman act like?
YES! More female characters!
Hello, so I've attempted to offer feedback on this and potential future Bioware games. I must say, there was a lot of... um... unhappiness but also legitimate claims as to confusion about those points about the boring characters or female inquisitor, so rather than revisit those points I would just try and state clearly the issue.
I don't enjoy or have any interest in games like Watch Dogs, Call of Duty, etc, because they are always super macho men doing macho things blah blah blah. However, this applies to Bioware also, even though I'm told, Bioware is going oh diversity, yes look at our... 3 female characters?
First of all, that's a 2 to 1 ratio, there are 2 men every women as far as companions go, which is a weak ratio. Additionally, those remaining 3 women are basically men. Cassandra the sergeant, Vivienne the executive, and Sera the tomboy.
Heck, the most recent trailer, Enemy of Thedas, showed a male inquisitor for awhile, then Dorian, then Cole, then Cullen, some zombie/enemies, etc, it's pure men. Hilariously (in a bad way), the first time a female shows up (Sera) is when she's being hurled against a wall at high speed (Bioware is... progressive?) Then we go back to men doing manly things, and then some female mage in total isolation taking down a single zombie, which was utterly inspiring. Then more dragons/men (Solas) doing manly things, then hilariously again the next female to show up (Morrigan) is shown for a half second and then blasted off the platform (what's with women being thrown all over the place??). It closes with a bunch of aliens, cool, I'm feeling the female energy all over the place.
So please, if you would like certain people's money put at least one (lets not get too crazy) actual, proper, feminine, companion in future games, thanks.
A damn good point about the ratio - slightly undercut by your misreading of the Enemy of Thedas trailer. Pretty much every companion we see in it (save Dorian and Cole) gets knocked the f*** over, not just Sera. Sera, in fact, is the only one who seems to get up again and fight back, as opposed to poor Varric who gets knocked over by the female mage you mentioned. We also see Morrigan earlier, possibly possessing some sort of Dalish elf.
On top of that, there seem to be some misunderstanding of feminine characters - let's take a closer look...
Sera fights people and nicks stuff. She also, from her dialogue, seems more Eliza Doolittle than Dushku. If anything, given that she's meant to be an ultra-badass thief/freedom fighter, she's too cliche feminine.
Cassandra has short hair, but somehow has enough time to apply a metric tonne of slap to doll herself up, and likes romance books. She's tough, but probably with a heart of gold yadda yadda. Too cliche feminine.
Vivienne so far seems to have no personality beyond the stereotypical lelicequeen.
So, in fact, they conform far too well to cliches of feminine convention. There's some breakouts here - Sera isn't too bad, and depending on how they handle Cassandra she could be alright - but what I'd really like to see is a character with a mix of traits. So a stone cold Cassandra hardass who communicates via valley-girl style drawl, a seemingly fragile and shy flower who murders and cusses like a sailor (but of course has a soft spot for her mum - actually, it'd be nice for once to have a companion that doesn't have SOME sort of issue with their family).
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