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[Dantrag]

It looks like it's been confirmed that we will be able to use outside currency for upgrades on weapons and armor. This pay to win (p2w) BS has been the beginning of the end for every mmo ever made, I don't see this ruining DAI since it's mostly single player oriented. I hope Bioware doesn't dumb down the multiplayer part of DAI to accommodate players who are incapable of participating in group content. Loot, treasure, magic items, and all that cool stuff should be earned, not paid for with real money. Although I'm not opposed to using real money for cosmetics that can also be earned.

[Zehealingman]

Pay2win ... ?

In a coop game where you don't need to use premium and can get all the items through normal gameplay?

[Maria Caliban]

You can use real money to buy random packs of items. Or, you can play and get items that way. If you want a specific character or weapon, you can also break down items you have but don't want, and craft the ones you want.

It's not pay to win. Even if it were, it's not PvP. Having someone with good weapons on your team does nothing but help you, whatever way they obtained them.

The issue it how much time it takes to unlock good gear. I thought ME 3 MP handled this well, and they seem to be speeding up gear acquisition with the item crafting.

[Dantrag]

Your paying real life money to advance, that's p2w.

[The Night Haunter]

Your paying real life money to advance, that's p2w.

Actually you can pay real life money. You can also use in-game currency for the exact same purchases. It is 'gettable' from playing MP. This is the exact same model as ME3 used, and I never spent a dime, yet got tons of stuff. I didn't get everything because I wasn't that interested in doing so, but many people progressed just as far in ME3 MP without spending a penny as those who spent bunches.

[Dantrag]

I just don't want to see multiplayer part of the game turn into constant paywall whenever you want to advance.

[Magister Caedus]

I hope you find that this lessens your concern:

 

"Will MP have in-game purchases?

·         Yes. Platinum is the name of the currency that you can buy with money. Our philosophy for MP—and we are adamant about it—is that you can buy anything with gold coins, which is the currency you get from dungeon-crawling. There will be no pay wall...

... Will people who pay to get that extra edge online?

·         First and foremost, our goal is to make a fun dungeon-crawling experience that you can play with your friends. There will be no pay walls in Dragon Age multiplayer. Everything is accessible with gold coins. You can use premium currency, but you don't have to."

- from Multiplayer FAQ

[onewitdaclown]

Your paying real life money to advance, that's p2w.

P2W is a PVP term, just saying

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

Every game that has some sort of micro-transaction always has people moaning about "pay to win" before it comes out..

 

The thing is, with random stuff - you can pay all you want, and some guy who plays for five mins and never spent any money can get something amazing, and you can still have rubbish stuff. Happened all the time in ME3 multiplayer. You can pay, and never have an advantage - it just saves you the time required to run a few 20 min dungeons. In theory with enough money you can get items faster, but you still have to play to level your characters up, and some guy being on your team with great gear is a BONUS imo, not a problem.

[Maria Caliban]

Your paying real life money to advance, that's p2w.

I'll point out here that as you play, you level up. At level 20, you can promote your character: this resets you to level 1 but gives you a permanent boost to your stats.

That boost is only something you get by leveling. Not by opening item packs.

[Beerfish]

Your paying real life money to advance, that's p2w.

Your?  Who is your?  And who cares anyway.  The people that pay money for items in mp should be applauded and back slapped for hleping the majority of the players play for free.  This sttitude of those that pay there is something wrong is stupid and foolish.

[Wiggs Magee]

I guess it will be the same kinda deal that ME3 MP had

you can spend RL money to buy the chests that contain gear... not really P2W seeing as how it is a co-op experiance... so it shouldn't really matter to you if the guy in your lobby bought his shiny new sword with his debit card.. or through in game gold.

[Pablo Cavalieri]

Lol..pay to win in a co-op....childrens.

[coldflame]

It looks like it's been confirmed that we will be able to use outside currency for upgrades on weapons and armor. This pay to win (p2w) BS has been the beginning of the end for every mmo ever made, I don't see this ruining DAI since it's mostly single player oriented. I hope Bioware doesn't dumb down the multiplayer part of DAI to accommodate players who are incapable of participating in group content. Loot, treasure, magic items, and all that cool stuff should be earned, not paid for with real money. Although I'm not opposed to using real money for cosmetics that can also be earned.

You need to realise that it is people that pay real-life money that is going to get us more 'free' MP DLCS. Therefore, I don't agree with your point. Actually, your point should be discarded altogether. If everybody is like you, DAMP will have a very short life-span.

[Dantrag]

You need to realise that it is people that pay real-life money that is going to get us more 'free' MP DLCS. Therefore, I don't agree with your point. Actually, your point should be discarded altogether. If everybody is like you, DAMP will have a very short life-span.

I'll pay for DLCs, and earn my gear.

[coldflame]

I'll pay for DLCs, and earn my gear.

I don't want to pay for DLCs.

[Seneva]

I pay for DLC's and the MP part is not pay to win. You never ever ever get an advantage over another player since it's COOP and not PvP.

[GrommitSmit]

I'll pay for DLCs, and earn my gear.

Me too. However, I have no objections to the system as described. I did spend more than I should to finally unlock the Collector Adept in ME3MP. However, by that point we had received 5 free DLCs? As long as the crafting system allows me to more quickly target and build the characters and items I want, I do not see a problem with others paying for random unlocks. As long as BioWare continues to support DAMP, I say let impatient people with extra cash kick in to keep this thing running.

[TheThirdRace]

It looks like it's been confirmed that we will be able to use outside currency for upgrades on weapons and armor. This pay to win (p2w) BS has been the beginning of the end for every mmo ever made, I don't see this ruining DAI since it's mostly single player oriented. I hope Bioware doesn't dumb down the multiplayer part of DAI to accommodate players who are incapable of participating in group content. Loot, treasure, magic items, and all that cool stuff should be earned, not paid for with real money. Although I'm not opposed to using real money for cosmetics that can also be earned.

 

Your paying real life money to advance, that's p2w.

 

I just don't want to see multiplayer part of the game turn into constant paywall whenever you want to advance.

 

I'll pay for DLCs, and earn my gear.

 

What a load of BS! Do you even know what you're talking about? Have you ever played ME3MP or you're just crying wolf without any information whatsoever?

 

Pay2Win doesn't exists in COOP. Pay2Compete could be used, but then again Bioware and EA repeatedly said everything will be buyable with gold, nothing is behind a paywall. So this isn't Pay2Compete either. The only advantage you could get by paying is unlocking things faster, but then again the chests have random items in them so you can't just buy the thing you want either. At the end of the day, paying only gives you "a chance to unlocking things faster". And that's fine too! Not everyone has the time or the patience to spend 200 hours on the game to unlock everything. If paying let some people access the full content of the game earlier then that's not a problem.

 

As for paying for DLCs, no thanks! It dilute the player base with "paywalls", the same "paywalls" you hate are the solution you bring up... Way to go Mr.Logic.... You know why those DLCs will be free? Because there are some people that doesn't have the time or patience to spend 200 hours on the game to unlock everything. Yeah, those guys you cry about for no reason are giving you all the goodies for free...

 

Again, you know nothing and complain about everything, what a whiner!

[PurpGuy1]

please P2W so DAI support lasts more than 1 year

[TheThirdRace]

please P2W so DAI support lasts more than 1 year

 

DAMP doesn't need Pay2Win to get support for more than a year, Bioware just need to release content on a smaller scale but more frequently. Instead of making 1 big DLC every X months, release a DLC every month to keep people's interest. ME3MP only faded because Bioware didn't prepare itself to support the game for more than a year and thus needed to repurpose their ressources to another game. Bioware said they won't make the same mistakes this time around and planned for more than a year of support from the get go. Add weekend challenges to the new content and we are sure to get past 18 months of support at the very least. Hell, ME3MP is still well alive even after the support ended so why would we be worried about how long the game will last?

[Navasha]

Not sure why you think this is a pay2win model....   other than maybe some people are paying so that EVERYONE wins.

 

Those people who do 'buy' stuff with real money are paying for your FREE expansion packs... remember that.  

 

That said, I am against paying real money for MP in any format, simply because I don't want MP encouraged in anyway in future games.

[Beerfish]

Not sure why you think this is a pay2win model....   other than maybe some people are paying so that EVERYONE wins.

 

Those people who do 'buy' stuff with real money are paying for your FREE expansion packs... remember that.  

 

That said, I am against paying real money for MP in any format, simply because I don't want MP encouraged in anyway in future games.

So you don't give a shi* about the thousands of people that actually like the bioware model of mp games?  Especially when it affects the sp game to a very minimal extent?

[Navasha]

I think it would be more fair to say that MP should a stand-alone game.    If people want it than it should be a marketable product by itself.    No one will ever convince me that the degradation of the UI to just allow 8 abilities isn't largely because of the developers wanting parity between the SP and MP product.  

 

That kind of changes does affect my SP game, and therefore I am wholly against it.    If they TRULY kept the game modes separate, then no I wouldn't mind its existence.    However, they clearly didn't do that in this case.  

[JakBlitz]

You would think someone would take the time to learn about  the system. Everytime there is a game that allows microtransactions you hear people shouting P2W. Watch a couple videos and learn what its about.