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[Saboteur-6]

OP is eithet trolling or seriously misinformed. No need to bump a garbage post, just let it rot.

[Equalitas]

If you get more rewards the better performance you do. And you can pay with real currency to preform better its pay2win. If the performance is shared in the party as a whole its not pay2win. Just that if you have money you have less struggle just like in real life.

[brazen_nl]

What a load of BS! Do you even know what you're talking about? Have you ever played ME3MP or you're just crying wolf without any information whatsoever?

 

 

Whenever there's a store, there will be people shouting pay2win. Even for a co-op game where there's nothing to win ...

[Silvershroud]

Personally, I will probably do the same thing as I did with ME3.  I "bought"  MP expansions as they came out.  Not because I was in a rush to get stuff, but because I just wanted to support the game. 

 

And besides, all gold and XP is shared, and items found in the match are also given to everyone, so the only effect on you that someone else spending money will have, is potentially making you more likely to have a successful match.  Provided of course, that they actually got something useful out of the packs they bought with their money.

[wwilt13]

Personally, I will probably do the same thing as I did with ME3.  I "bought"  MP expansions as they came out.  Not because I was in a rush to get stuff, but because I just wanted to support the game. 

 

And besides, all gold and XP is shared, and items found in the match are also given to everyone, so the only effect on you that someone else spending money will have, is potentially making you more likely to have a successful match.  Provided of course, that they actually got something useful out of the packs they bought with their money.

 

I am glad you mentioned this.  I was pretty sure that is how they said it worked in the Twitch stream.  XP and gold is shared equally across the party.  The only difference is the random items that my appear in a chest.  So, this hurts no one.

[Silent Fear]

The people that pay money for items in mp should be applauded and back slapped for hleping the majority of the players play for free. 

 

This irks me to no end. What "free to play" players you speaking of ? Thats not F2P MMO or anything - last time i checked i sheled 100 euro for the delux edition - far from free dont you think ?

 

 I just love how the whole AAA scene is trying to justifie the pure F2P microtransaction mechanic into a game you pay full price.

 

 That been said i loved the MP in Mass Effect 3 and had no problem whit the "pay euro for box of random junk" they promoted. Got most of the ultra rare weapons the normal way whitout spending a dime. But it just annoy me to no end when they present microtransactions as a blessing. Then again EA is a massive tumor for gaming so im not suprised.

[TheThirdRace]

This irks me to no end. What "free to play" players you speaking of ? Thats not F2P MMO or anything - last time i checked i sheled 100 euro for the delux edition - far from free dont you think ?
 
 I just love how the whole AAA scene is trying to justifie the pure F2P microtransaction mechanic into a game you pay full price.
 
 That been said i loved the MP in Mass Effect 3 and had no problem whit the "pay euro for box of random junk" they promoted. Got most of the ultra rare weapons the normal way whitout spending a dime. But it just annoy me to no end when they present microtransactions as a blessing. Then again EA is a massive tumor for gaming so im not suprised.

You're looking at it the wrong way.

You would have payed the game the same price with or without the MP. Basically the MP is "free", it's not free to play because you still have to buy the game, it's a subtle difference. And you can't fault the MP because you bought the Deluxe edition (apples vs oranges)...

Microtransactions aren't a blessing, but it's done in a way where you don't have to use it either.

The only thing paying gives you is a chance to unlock random things at a faster pace. If you don't have 200 hours to sink in MP, you can pay to fast track your progress and it's ok. It's ok because if you have only 50 or 100 hours to play, you might want to experience everything and paying allows you to do so. To me it wouldn't feel the same as working for the gear, but ultimately to each his own fun. Nobody's forcing you to pay anything, it all depends on how much time you can devote to the game.

In a sense, it's not even an advantage because paying do give you random items, but it doesn't give you the necessary skills to use them properly. So even if someone paid all his gear, he won't have better results than a skilled player that didn't pay a dime.

On top of that, a good part of microtransaction are invested back into free DLCs for all players. There's literally no disadvantage whatsoever to someone not paying anything so I don't see how it could be "bad"...

You have to realize that your definition of "fun" isn't necessarily the same for other people. You have to look at the bigger picture. As long as it doesn't give you a disadvantage in-game, which it doesn't, you're not in your right to deny "fun" for others. You might not like it, but that's the only way to see it... or you can start a war, kill people, commit atrocious crimes all for the sakes of your illogical beliefs, your choice...

[Orochi]

Much like they said all DLC for co op is free no pay wall but your free too use rl currency too get chests and its entirely optional no paywall

[Pupuppu]

You're looking at it the wrong way.

You would have payed the game the same price with or without the MP. Basically the MP is "free", it's not free to play because you still have to buy the game, it's a subtle difference. And you can't fault the MP because you bought the Deluxe edition (apples vs oranges)...

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He is looking at it exactly the right way. So you're telling us the price of the game would be the same with or without the single player?

[TheThirdRace]

You're looking at it the wrong way.

You would have payed the game the same price with or without the MP. Basically the MP is "free", it's not free to play because you still have to buy the game, it's a subtle difference. And you can't fault the MP because you bought the Deluxe edition (apples vs oranges)...

He is looking at it exactly the right way. So you're telling us the price of the game would be the same with or without the single player?

I said with or without MP as in Multiplayer, I haven't said anything about single player. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me...

And for the record, the game wouldn't have been 60$ without SP, it couldn't have because it's not extensive enough to warrant a standalone release. To me, SP is worth the whole 60$, MP is just free gravy on top of gravy. For Bioware, SP is probably worth 85% of its initial sales while MP is probably worth 95% of its additional revenues in the next 2 years. Bioware didn't include MP just because they wanted to give us something, they're gonna make extra money out of it and it's probably much more lucrative than standalone DLCs. Still, they didn't charge you for MP, they charged you for SP and gave you a free way to give them extra money.

[Orochi]

lol hes a silly thing regardless nothings behind a Pay wall upgrades completley optional

[Ashevajak]

I'll likely buy a pack every time a DLC drops, like I did with ME3MP (both a nod of appreciation towards the devs, and a nice way to possibly access new material earlier), but otherwise, I'll be using in-game currency to advance all the way.

 

Not that I have a problem with people buying packs - if they've got the money and they want to spend it on this, more power to them - it's just not for me.  I like the long, hard grind from zero to hero.  Besides, it's a coop game, so my it's not like my team mates having an "unfair" advantage is actually going to negatively benefit me.  Quite the opposite.

[Myala]

Something for all those Bing Reward points I keep getting.

[Orochi]

I'll likely buy a pack every time a DLC drops, like I did with ME3MP (both a nod of appreciation towards the devs, and a nice way to possibly access new material earlier), but otherwise, I'll be using in-game currency to advance all the way.

 

Not that I have a problem with people buying packs - if they've got the money and they want to spend it on this, more power to them - it's just not for me.  I like the long, hard grind from zero to hero.  Besides, it's a coop game, so my it's not like my team mates having an "unfair" advantage is actually going to negatively benefit me.  Quite the opposite.

aye il Join ya since all DLC will be free 

[Reptillius]

The Degredation of the UI is contributed by about 90% or so to the Consoles actually.  Not by Multiplayer. Multiplayer can actually be done with lots of buttons and quite successfully on PC's. Has for a long time.  Console controllers while more advanced than they once were still have a very finite number of buttons to task everything they need to to them from moving around the environment and menus and all that kind of stuff to actually using your abilities.

 

You want to blame something for the Crappy UI.  Blame the Consoles because you know what?  There are a couple different Bioware twitch feeds. One of them on the multiplayer where they outright say this is the cause because they didn't want drastically different UI's to plan for between the consoles and the PC.

 

 

As for the Topic. P2W or Play to Win can't apply in this situation, as others have stated, play to win can only apply in situations where you can or have to spend real money to get an unfair advantage or content that others simply cannot achieve.  This is not the Case in DAMP.  You may spend say $50 trying to get your Reaver armour and I may get it with my second in game transaction spending only in game money.  No advantage.  On top of that. Your better gear is not going to carry the group if we're all just spending in game gold  Your advantage isn't unfair and isn't even necessarily that much of an advantage.  I can pretty much negate any bonus you initially got by spending money without ever spending any of my own.  Just as I did in ME3MP.

 

edit:  Oh and I'm calling it now. OP will be one of the first one these boards complaining because they spent money to get ahead and somebody else got it on their first try so the RNG of the chests is totally unfair and biased against him.

[Orochi]

i love both uis k and m and controller

[Pupuppu]

I said with or without MP as in Multiplayer, I haven't said anything about single player. How you came to that conclusion is beyond me...

 

And for the record, the game wouldn't have been 60$ without SP, it couldn't have because it's not extensive enough to warrant a standalone release. To me, SP is worth the whole 60$, MP is just free gravy on top of gravy. For Bioware, SP is probably worth 85% of its initial sales while MP is probably worth 95% of its additional revenues in the next 2 years. Bioware didn't include MP just because they wanted to give us something, they're gonna make extra money out of it and it's probably much more lucrative than standalone DLCs. Still, they didn't charge you for MP, they charged you for SP and gave you a free way to give them extra money.

 

You split the game up into two parts. You say the single player for you is worth the whole $60, other people may see it differently?

It's like your definition of fun:

 

 

You have to realize that your definition of "fun" isn't necessarily the same for other people. You have to look at the bigger picture. As long as it doesn't give you a disadvantage in-game, which it doesn't, you're not in your right to deny "fun" for others. 

Then you say:

 

 

Basically the MP is "free"

...and say that 15% are because of the multiplayer? Would be interesting to know where you get your numbers from anyway.

 

Let me guess you're probably not ok with it, if they move their complete f2p model from the multiplayer to the single player component? 

[Orochi]

inquisition started as Multiplayer only dragon age game btw

[TheThirdRace]

You split the game up into two parts. You say the single player for you is worth the whole $60, other people may see it differently?
It's like your definition of fun:
Then you say:
...and say that 15% are because of the multiplayer? Would be interesting to know where you get your numbers from anyway.
 
Let me guess you're probably not ok with it, if they move their complete f2p model from the multiplayer to the single player component?

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying. You're taking what a said, twisting it and the result doesn't even make sense to me. You're gonna have to explain better because I really don't follow, like at all.

Sure, I split up the game in 2: SP and MP. What I said is Dragon Age is primarily a SP game. If there were no MP, the game would still be sold at 60$. As Orochi pointed out somewhat wrongly, there was a MP game developed in the Dragon Age universe (was called Black Foot?), but Bioware decided it couldn't stand on its own and scrapped it. Then they included most of it in Inquisition, a completely separate SP project, which is how the MP came to be. The price I put on SP has nothing to do with perceived value, it's simple math:

• SP alone would have sold for 60$ like any other Dragon Age and Mass Effect games
• MP alone was scrapped so couldn't be sold
• The SP + MP "bundle" sells for 60$
• How much cost MP if SP would have sold for 60$? -> Total cost (60$) - SP would have cost (60$) = MP cost (0$), it's basically free

I'm not saying one is more fun than the other or how everyone can put a different value on each part (SP or MP). I'm just saying considering how the game came to be, MP is basically free. It has nothing to do with fun so I don't see where you're coming from.

As for the numbers, I'll gladly admit it's an educated guess.

What we know is Dragon Age has always been an SP franchise before Inquisition so it's safe to assume most of the fan base is SP based. Considering the fact they scrapped the MP standalone project, it's safe to assume they didn't expect to sell enough copies to make the project viable. Knowing this, it's safe to assume that most of their initial sales are for SP. Is 85% too high? Maybe, maybe not, but remember SP and MP can't be too close otherwise they would have went ahead with a standalone MP.

In the same vein, considering how many hours players spent on Mass Effect 3 MP it's safe to assume SP didn't even come close. I played over 100 hours in SP, but then again I played over 1000 in MP. It's 10x more likely I spend money on MP packs than on SP DLCs. On top of that, the total amount you could pay for SP DLCs is about 30$ while it's not unheard of MP players paying upward of 1000$ in MP. Knowing this, I think it's safe to assume that most of the future revenues comes from MP and not SP.

See? Sure the numbers are guesses, but there's logic behind them.

[Pommelhorse]

I'll likely buy a pack every time a DLC drops, like I did with ME3MP (both a nod of appreciation towards the devs, and a nice way to possibly access new material earlier), but otherwise, I'll be using in-game currency to advance all the way.

 

Not that I have a problem with people buying packs - if they've got the money and they want to spend it on this, more power to them - it's just not for me.  I like the long, hard grind from zero to hero.  Besides, it's a coop game, so my it's not like my team mates having an "unfair" advantage is actually going to negatively benefit me.  Quite the opposite.

 

^this

 

 

If the devs continue to release free DLC then I'm more than fine buying some packs.

[Orochi]

^this

 

 

If the devs continue to release free DLC then I'm more than fine buying some packs.

yeap totaly in too support them for all free dlc

[Ravenmyste]

Guy, and gals we been trolled he copy and pasted the same exact thing when mass effect 3 MP came oout, word for word in the old mas effect 3 forums about the mp..

 

dentag i see you trying to continue your spread of stupidness to dragon age: i , mp with the p2w argument..

 

ITs not pay 2 win is  paying for edge over someone that  you fight against, also this is not pvp and its not 4v4 pvp there is NO pvp of anytype that sets  you against a player...

 

period.

 

As mr woo  used to say ....

 

End of Line....

[Kalyma2221]

I just want to play the game already T_T .

[Tiamatshade]

Chests aren't guaranteed a rare, unlike the old Spectre Packs.

 

Spending cash (I prolly dipped a $10 bill into the store) doesn't really give you as high returns as it did in MEMP. I got a lot of potions, common weapons, and runes. Found maybe 3 rares in 12 chests, and a friend of mine who didn't spend any money got a unique 2h mace. 

 

That being said, there's much less Pay to Play here, and a lot of emphasis on gold runs on teamwork. I wanna get my promotions in more than getting a gear set put together.