Not really that just helps his position and force her to do something, even when you talk about this with Leliana she seems to have internal racism about elven servants. Elven people are second class citizen and
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Your missing the point, I'm not saying having an affair with an elven women isn't scandalous, I'm just saying theres multiple reasons its scandalous which just makes it a bigger scandal.
We were warned back when only about 2 LIs were revealed that there would be inequality. So far it has been mostly equal... but now it seems the truth is finally catching up.
Yes, I believe the stipulation was something along the lines of everyone should be able to have a choice in who they romance, but not necessarily the number of romances. So far they've stayed loyal to that. Still, technically unequal and technically unfair, but not dishonest or altogether surprising. 
@Jester Actually, Anders hits on Oghren as well, have them together for the majority of the time and you will see. At least should be able to see.... Anders quit watching me. man in skirt, and on and on and on........think of a mind in a gutter if really cant see Anders hitting on Oghren.
Your straight white privilege is showing.
I think it's just "straight" privilege in this case. Being white isn't really part of it. But otherwise, yeah, I agree.
Actually...
http://www.dailydot....ng-demographic/
Then how convenient for Vivienne that she is not the empress of Orlais
That still doesn't change the fact that 52% of gamers are male.
Yeah, if you include all of mobile gaming. The big tipple A gaming titles are still around 80% male.
Is this actually the case?
I remember hearing (unfortunately the link escapes me, but I'll hunt for it) that the divide for the AAA titles is probably closer to 1/3 or so.
Which, if you're dealing with a game that sells say 6 million copies, is 2 million copies.
I think there's a large resistance to the idea that women are gamers and that's probably not going to change.
I would be upset if that needed to be the rationalization people used for the existence of gay people in a game. It's just a magical gay paradise!
You know, that's an excellent point, and I phrased my argument badly. Although to be honest I would play a game that was set in a magical gay paradise, too. That'd be awesome.
I'm not so sure I agree with that. I think there are people from every background that are beautiful, and I'm not just saying to me, but society as a whole. I might not always agree like I think Taylor Swift is disgusting...especially after seeing those pics of her wearing those 1960ies grandma swimwear?
But to say you can can't find ONE person from any certain demographic that you aren't extremely attracted to? I'm not so sure some type of racisim wouldn't be coming into play there.
Sure,but we all have preferences.Some like girls/guys that are tall/short,have abs/small/big breasts and butt,thing/wide hips etc.Solas might not find the other races attractive and so he sticks to elves.
Is this actually the case?
I remember hearing (unfortunately the link escapes me, but I'll hunt for it) that the divide for the AAA titles is probably closer to 1/3 or so.
Which, if you're dealing with a game that sells say 6 million copies, is 2 million copies.
I think there's a large resistance to the idea that women are gamers and that's probably not going to change.
I'd love to see that link! Thanks very much for fielding this question, by the way. It's appreciated.
I think it's just "straight" privilege in this case. Being white isn't really part of it. But otherwise, yeah, I agree.
These "white privilege" bs is so overdone and overused anymore it is meaningless. I have a black friend who might not be "gay" but he is bisexual. Not on this forum, but he is constantly given that remark...now sometimes he may be joking around and people take it serious...or he may be trolling....but when you see that said so many times...and its to a bisexual black person it pretty much loses all meaning...at least IMO
Your missing the point, I'm not saying having an affair with an elven women isn't scandalous, I'm just saying theres multiple reasons its scandalous which just makes it a bigger scandal.
Sure but Celene having a human female has a lover, is not a scandal at all because it says so in the lore, the overall game treats it quite normally, that being Ferelden or Kirkwall,
These "white privilege" bs is so overdone and overused anymore it is meaningless. I have a black friend who might not be "gay" but he is bisexual. Not on this forum, but he is constantly given that remark...now sometimes he may be joking around and people take it serious...or he may be trolling....but when you see that said so many times...and its to a bisexual black person it pretty much loses all meaning...at least IMO
Just because people misuse it, doesn't mean it's not a very real and very troubling thing that exists in our society. But this isn't really the thread for discussing this.
That still doesn't change the fact that 52% of gamers are male.
sooooo, they should be catered to in all things? I don't get your point.
Just over half of all gamers are men but what games are they playing? Men mostly play shooty shooty kill games not AAA RPGs so who cares about what they want in games.
P.S. this is a thinly veiled parody of any one who doubts the 48% of gamers are women stat. Not sure how well that came across since I'm very, very, very, tired.
These "white privilege" bs is so overdone and overused anymore it is meaningless. I have a black friend who might not be "gay" but he is bisexual. Not on this forum, but he is constantly given that remark...now sometimes he may be joking around and people take it serious...or he may be trolling....but when you see that said so many times...and its to a bisexual black person it pretty much loses all meaning...at least IMO
(don't want to turn this into anything about race but the 'white privilege' part is just down to straight white people have no idea what oppression feels like and feeling like/saying things as if they do and for some reason they're so uncomfortable with realising their privilege. I don't want to start comparisons etc. and I could go deeper into this but this isn't tumblr so)
Over representation of homosexuality? Your straight white privilege is showing.
The only way homosexuality is going to be less stigmatised in society and in gaming is to HAVE these options at least on equal footing. Straight people have had all their options catered to since gaming began, would it be so bad and unrealistic to have an increasing amount of LGBTQ options ESPECIALLY in a fantasy game???
I'm not sure where you got your stats from (I can't be bothered actually quoting you) and yeh it's known LGBTQ people represent a smaller portion of the general populace (but this in itself is still flawed because there's still a lot of people still lying/not comfortable with it), but that in no way means they should be treated as such. That still perpetuates the idea that we are lesser people. I hope you can rethink on your argument.
I disagree.
LGBT characters should appear more often and we should have more than them. There should be movies and television series with more LGBT characters than straight ones, shows with less LGBT characters than straight ones. There should be games with more straight options than LGBT options, games with more LGBT options than straight options, hell, there should be games that revolve entirely around guy on guy stuff :cough: my portrait :cough:
What there should never be is a mandate saying that every single game that includes romance options MUST have a precisely equal number of options for any type of protagonist. It's only one step away from insisting that a movie must have exactly the same number of gay couples as straight couples, or a that a television show must have exactly the same number of bisexual characters as straight characters. It's forcing things in for quotas.
I mean, come on. The fate of homosexual stigmatization in our society does not rest on Bioware games, or any games for that matter, having an exactly even 50/50 split LI ratio.
Sure but Celene having a human female has a lover, is not a scandal at all because it says so in the lore, the overall game treats it quite normally, that being Ferelden or Kirkwall,
Like even Human nobles in Ferelden can romance same-sex elves without much discussion of it. Concubines are fairly common, it's only a scandal when it's an actual relationship and particularly monogamous.
Is this legitimately confirmed or a semi-confirmed super rumor?
Confirmed.
I disagree.
LGBT characters should appear more often and we should have more than them. There should be movies and television series with more LGBT characters than straight ones, shows with less. There should be games with more straight options than LGBT options, games with more LGBT options than straight options, hell, there should be games that revolve entirely around guy on guy :cough: my portrait :cough:
What there should never be is a mandate saying that every single game that includes romance options MUST have a precisely equal number of options for any type of protagonist. It's only one step away from insisting that a movie must have exactly the same number of gay couples as straight couples, or a that a television show must have exactly the same number of bisexual characters as straight characters. It's forcing things in for quotas.
Right, but the problem with your argument is that we can't even get equal options without them doing it purposefully. We need developers to actively be trying to create equal options for us because, as the industry has shown time and again, when they don't, we don't get any options or get token representation. We need these ideas of "equality" to be active until they become second nature and ingrained in everyday thinking. Case in point, name a single game that isn't a niche LGBT game, that has even equal amounts, let alone more. You can't. And that's the point.
Again, I'm not bound with a 1:1 representation, but making close to equal is still a giant win for us. I can totally understand why people want us to take that next step and start getting actual equal representation.
Is this actually the case?
I remember hearing (unfortunately the link escapes me, but I'll hunt for it) that the divide for the AAA titles is probably closer to 1/3 or so.
Which, if you're dealing with a game that sells say 6 million copies, is 2 million copies.
I think there's a large resistance to the idea that women are gamers and that's probably not going to change.
Oh, let me just make it clear that I am all in favor of having more women into the big gaming titles. But its around 70% to 80% for a lot of shooters. Other games vary. I'm was just stating that the article about most women being gamers is misleading since they are not the majority on the big titles. Not thats playing only mobile games makes you a non-gamer. Its just that even a lot of women who play a few mobile games wouldn't consider themselves gamers. Such as my sister who plays some mobile games with her daughter but would deny being a gamer since playing video games isn't a big part of her time or a passion for her.
Its a complicated issue. Going into how to get more women into the big name triple A titles is way off topic. lol
On that note, any idea what the divide between female and male gamers is among bioware games?
I'm just wondering if we can give the dude a wig. I have nothing against baldies in general, but with the shape of his head and those pointy ears he looks way too much like Nosferatu.
Nosferatu, played by Nic Cage.
Can't unsee.
Let Solas do a "U Don't Say?!" in game. Please.
I disagree.
LGBT characters should appear more often and we should have more than them. There should be movies and television series with more LGBT characters than straight ones, shows with less. There should be games with more straight options than LGBT options, games with more LGBT options than straight options, hell, there should be games that revolve entirely around guy on guy :cough: my portrait :cough:
What there should never be is a mandate saying that every single game that includes romance options MUST have a precisely equal number of options for any type of protagonist. It's only one step away from insisting that a movie must have exactly the same number of gay couples as straight couples, or a that a television show must have exactly the same number of bisexual characters as straight characters. It's forcing things in for quotas.
I definitely don't think there should be a mandate, but it takes these gaming companies first including representation on equal footing. To get companies to make games that completely feature gay males/gay females/transexuals is not going to happen until equal representation is achieved, and then once it's deemed acceptable and normal, we can move into different interpretations/levels of representation because it won't be a homophobia issue - it'll be creative design or whatever.
But none of what you want to happen isn't going to happen until companies make an extended effort for representation to tell people that it is ok it's fine get over it.
Guys had Anders, Fenris, Merill and Isabella and so did women...
Just to clarify, when you say "guys" you mean guy characters and not guy players, right? Guy players have the exact same number of potential LIs as female players in every DA game.
Oh, let me just make it clear that I am all in favor of having more women into the big gaming titles. But its around 70% to 80% for a lot of shooters. Other games vary. I'm was just stating that the articile about most women being gamers is misleading since they are not the majority on the big titles. Not thats playing only mobile games makes you a non-gamer. Its just that even a lot of women who play a few mobile games wouldn't consider themselves gamers. Such as my sister who plays some mobile games with her daughter but would deny being a gamer since playing video games isn't a big part of her time or a passion for her.
Its a complicated issue. lol
I just don't understand why people dismiss mobile games as not being 'core gaming'
I can play Final Fantasy, A Bards Tale, ME, Dead Space etc on my iPad and Angry Birds on my Xbox, along with a whole pile of shovelware.
Surely its the type of game that matters and not the platform its being played on.
Like even Human nobles in Ferelden can romance same-sex elves without much discussion of it. Concubines are fairly common, it's only a scandal when it's an actual relationship and particularly monogamous.
Yes and no, it seems elven heritage is more damaging in Orlais that Ferelden. Orlais do treat their servants better in a way but are too concerned with The Games, in Fereldel people seems to care more about practical things. That is why Alistair can be King and still have a lover on the side. For Celene this is impossible, the nobles would not stand by it and that is why that is use against her.
In Ferelden Alistair could care less and so the same can be said about the nobles.
I'm so completely disappointed, but I should have known "set sexualities" would mean "gays get short ended". I honestly just feel stupid for ever believing differently.
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