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[Ajna]

What're you guys talking about?

 

I google searched solas romance but no-one seems to be freaking out

I don't know what he meant, but I meant in general.

[Little Princess Peach]

So who's idea was it to have gated romance I don't recall it being in any other dragon age game

[Br3admax]

So who's idea was it to have gated romance I don't recall it being in any other dragon age game

The person who finally decided that characters should behave like people. 

[thecookiesuspectsnothing]

I do find it abit funny, would people be in arms about it as much if this was for example, a turian? What if in the new mass effect you could play a turian, and there was a turian only love interest. Would people call that turian racist towards our human protagonist then? Elves and Humans are different species afterall. Neanderthal and homosapiens interbred, but that doesn't mean a Neanderthal should be attracted to a homosapien, does it?

Odd analogies perhaps, but I keep seeing people calling him racist, and keep thinking how. I'm interested in this super story element however.

Oh, and I am not begrudging people for being disappointed, I can understand that, but I have seen some odd, less than savoury comments about the matter.

[andar91]

Wow did I wake up to news. Okay, haven't read the whole thread, but skimmed through it, and now I'll add my 2 cents.

 

It will be interesting to see how Solas' romance intersects with his story; his elven exclusivity indicates some possible character...arcs? Traits? Things? Anyway, that'll be interesting to see, I'm sure.

 

I honestly have no issue with this, and obviously, how could I? How can one have an issue with another's sexual preference when it's nobody's business but theirs and, to a lesser extent, their partner(s)?

 

To those who are disappointed...maybe next time! I am sure Solas will be plenty interesting with or without a romance arc.

 

Bioware, at least in my view, is well-known for their characters - they've given us so many engaging personalities over the years that people still talk about Bastila, Imoen, Minsc, Alistair, Morrigan, Tali, and many, many more. I also appreciate their attempts to diversify their cast and be inclusive of many different social/identity groups. Trust me, I'm a gay man; I know what it feels like to have your very existence all but erased or made into a joke or caricature, and our (and many others') inclusion does not go unappreciated. The announcement that Dorian was gay nearly moved me to literal tears. My point is that characters are great because of their individuality and their different stories and experiences.

 

To suggest that, somehow, Solas should have been attracted to men, or men and women, or to all races instead of just elves seems to deny his agency and humanity (or elfhood, as it were). Honestly, I'm uncomfortably reminded about how, in real life, people become very, very angry because somebody isn't interested in them; they're obligated to like them; they deserve a relationship with that person. They don't care about how the other person feels. And that doesn't lead anywhere good. At least one other poster said it reminds them of the mentality of a rapist, and I agree.

 

Now, I'm absolutely not saying that anyone who is disappointed about the news is a terrible person; it's fine to be disappointed. But there's a line that's crossed when the entitlement starts rearing its ugly head. Solas does not owe anyone anything. Remember that people, even fake, digital ones in a story, are vastly complicated and have different motives, desires, and histories. Wouldn't Morrigan have been much less interesting if she hadn't possessed the ability to walk out on the player? What about the potential for Zevran's betrayal? Should Alistair just not have cared about what happened at Redcliffe and been a mindless follower with no opinions?

 

A character's individuality and existence apart from the PC is a big part of what makes them special, and I think those things should be cherished, not repudiated.

 

Okay, whew. Wall of text over.

 

Edit: This is my post from below that clears up a point I don't think I made as clearly as I could have.

 

Spoiler

Perhaps I should have been clearer. I do not think that people who are disappointed by gating are or will become rapists. That would be ridiculous. 

 

What I am saying is that that attitude of entitlement is a problem that is extremely pervasive in real life, and I can see it here as well in a discussion of a video game. And in real life, again, the majority of those people are probably not rapists - that's the extreme end of that mentality, I think. Separating fantasy from reality is all well and good, but when you continually see people acting as if a character's entire worth is bundled up in their ability to enter a relationship with them? That's troublesome to me.

 

Here's some articles on friendzoning (and no, it's not just a straight male issue, but that predominates): here and here.

 

Again, it's fine to be disappointed because you were interested in Solas (or someone in real life). It's not okay to be an entitled jerk about it.

 

As for gating in games in general...it depends. As I said before, I think characters are at their best when they're treated and act like people.

 

I think I've said all that I care to on the matter for now. Feel free to disagree.

[Nimlowyn]

Wow did I wake up to news. Okay, haven't read the whole thread, but skimmed through it, and now I'll add my 2 cents.

 

It will be interesting to see how Solas' romance intersects with his story; his elven exclusivity indicates some possible character...arcs? Traits? Things? Anyway, that'll be interesting to see, I'm sure.

 

I honestly have no issue with this, and obviously, how could I? How can one have an issue with another's sexual preference when it's nobody's business but theirs and, to a lesser extent, their partner(s)?

 

To those who are disappointed...maybe next time! I am sure Solas will be plenty interesting with or without a romance arc.

 

Bioware, at least in my view, is well-known for their characters - they've given us so many engaging personalities over the years that people still talk about Bastila, Imoen, Minsc, Alistair, Morrigan, Tali, and many, many more. I also appreciate their attempts to diversify their cast and be inclusive of many different social/identity groups. Trust me, I'm a gay man; I know what it feels like to have your very existence all but erased or made into a joke or caricature, and our (and many others') inclusion does not go unappreciated. The announcement that Dorian was gay nearly moved me to literal tears. My point is that characters are great because of their individuality and their different stories and experiences.

 

To suggest that, somehow, Solas should have been attracted to men, or men and women, or to all races instead of just elves seems to deny his agency and humanity (or elfhood, as it were). Honestly, I'm uncomfortably reminded about how, in real life, people become very, very angry because somebody isn't interested in them; they're obligated to like them; they deserve a relationship with that person. They don't care about how the other person feels. And that doesn't lead anywhere good. At least one other poster said it reminds them of the mentality of a rapist, and I agree.

 

Now, I'm absolutely not saying that anyone who is disappointed about the news is a terrible person; it's fine to be disappointed. But there's a line that's crossed when the entitlement starts rearing its ugly head. Solas does not owe anyone anything. Remember that people, even fake, digital ones in a story, are vastly complicated and have different motives, desires, and histories. Wouldn't Morrigan have been much less interesting if she hadn't possessed the ability to walk out on the player? What about the potential for Zevran's betrayal? Should Alistair just not have cared about what happened at Redcliffe and been a mindless follower with no opinions?

 

A character's individuality and existence apart from the PC is a big part of what makes them special, and I think those things should be cherished, not repudiated.

 

Okay, whew. Wall of text over.

This was beautifully, beautifully stated and I couldn't agree more. I have great respect for character agency. I think creating characters that think, feel and behave like real people is what makes Dragon Age bone fide interactive literature.

[aaarcher86]

Jesus.  The number of play throughs I plan to make for this game is disgusting. 

[Brialyn]

I swear the way some folks go on about things not being "fair," or all the "if so and so is -insert sexuality or race gate here- I'm going to rage," it's a wonder that Bioware still includes romances for all the grief they get.  They say it makes perfect sense with the story and I think it's good that they are letting the story determine who is what.   

I had a Shepard, who in ME3 ended up alone because of the options and her choices in previous games.  Kaidan died on Virmire, Romanced Jacob (LOL), and then got dumped in ME3.  She couldn't romance Garrus because it wasn't started in ME2, and Kaidan was dead, sooooo all she had left was chicks.  None of which really wowed me so that Shep got no love.  I didn't blow up the forums with how unfair this was.  

 

In all honesty none of the announced romances are really thrilling me right now but I believe that's because I don't know the characters yet. I'm sure when I get in game some of them will draw me in.  Before we start breaking out the tar and feathers lets see what is really awaiting us with the story as far as LIs go. 

[efd731]

I don't know what he meant, but I meant in general.

I meant tumblr. The great haven of bat-**** insanity. Lots of people on the lgbt spectrum are quite irritated(because obviously he wasn't straight and the devs retconned him) and some are trying to start a campaign to abuse the devs till they change it. Just morons acting badly.

Edit: just as a disclaimer, obviously this doesn't apply to all tumblr and lgbt people, just the ones claiming he was race/sex gated to specifically spite them and enforce the patriarchy/belittle their particular orientation or mental status.

[Uirebhiril]

I meant tumblr. The great haven of bat-**** insanity. Lots of people on the lgbt spectrum are quite irritated(because obviously he wasn't straight and the devs retconned him) and some are trying to start a campaign to abuse the devs till they change it. Just morons acting badly.

 

 

People are strange. I don't understand getting so invested in something like that so it ruins any enjoyment you could possibly have. I remember when people were saying they didn't care what they had to be to romance Solas, they would do it if he was a love interest. Or just be good friends with him. The idea that it's spitting in the face of being inclusive to have a character be what the character is when there are actual options this time around seems like being angry for the sake of it. Upset is one thing - abusive and rude is completely another, folks. You're better than that, so leave the devs alone and find your joy again.

[andar91]

No one wants to rape him.

 

I didn't say they did. I said that the attitudes behind some people's frustrations, or at least the way they are expressed, can be seen in the real world, and that they can lead to things like rape. How we interact with media does say something about how we feel about relationships. I am suggesting that people chill out and respect that people have the right to not be interested in a relationship (yes, even with a digital character).

[efd731]

Yeah I know, and saying people upset by gating in video games have a rapist mentality is just a little offensive, if nothing else by showing how little you think of their ability to separate fantasy from reality.

I agree that saying a "rapist mentality" is too much, but the attitudes are very very entitled. This coming from your stereotypical dude-bro gamer they're just horrible. And the prevalent belief seems to be that they are owed this characters romance because of X and the only reason they aren't getting it is Bioware is purposefully discriminating against them. It's an attitude I'm okay with calling "rapey".
Because there are obvious parallels.

[andar91]

Yeah I know, and saying people upset by gating in video games have a rapist mentality is just a little offensive, if nothing else by showing how little you think of their ability to separate fantasy from reality.

 

Perhaps I should have been clearer. I do not think that people who are disappointed by gating are or will become rapists. That would be ridiculous. 

 

What I am saying is that that attitude of entitlement is a problem that is extremely pervasive in real life, and I can see it here as well in a discussion of a video game. And in real life, again, the majority of those people are probably not rapists - that's the extreme end of that mentality, I think. Separating fantasy from reality is all well and good, but when you continually see people acting as if a character's entire worth is bundled up in their ability to enter a relationship with them? That's troublesome to me.

 

Here's some articles on friendzoning (and no, it's not just a straight male issue, but that predominates): here and here.

 

Again, it's fine to be disappointed because you were interested in Solas (or someone in real life). It's not okay to be an entitled jerk about it.

 

As for gating in games in general...it depends. As I said before, I think characters are at their best when they're treated and act like people.

 

I think I've said all that I care to on the matter for now. Feel free to disagree.

[PCThug]

At this point, I think they should just keep the romances under wraps until release.

[NextArishok]

At this point, I think they should just keep the romances under wraps until release.

I like knowing this stuff.  I'll be playing a qunari and I'll be waiting/trying to bait Solas to mention how every other race, color, creed is beneath him or disgusting to him so I can mess with him.

[durasteel]

...

I'm going to perhaps prematurally assume that Vivienne is the final romance and the final race gated romance as well.

What's going to blow everyone's mind is when it is revealed she's only into dwarves.

 

You heard it here first.

[Solas]

i waded through this thread thinkin

this'll be great

25 pages of discussion about my bald elf pajama husbando

 

oh no

no no

 

most of it has nothing to do with solas at all x')

 

retreats to the solas thread..

[ruggly]

XD

 

That explains my femwarrior's responses to Quinn's incident. XD

 

I left Quinn for Lana after the **** he tried to pull.

[KennethAFTopp]

Because ... he's an elf? Is it really racist to be mainly attracted to your own species?

That's kind of like saying Dorian is a misogynist because he only sleeps with men.

 

oh hails, Anita Sarkeesian get on that right away!!
 

[mikeymoonshine]

Here's some articles on friendzoning (and no, it's not just a straight male issue, but that predominates): here and here.

 

I'm sorry but the person who wrote that sounds like a complete idiot to me. 

 

I don't really understand why some feminists find it so hard to accept the fact that women can end up in friendzone too sometimes. 

 

Sure for some people it's about entitlement but usually it's about the fact that it is difficult to be friends with someone who you have romantic or just sexual feelings towards. Humans aren't good with being rejected and that doesn't have anything to do with entitlement. 

 

All being with that person will do is make you feel like you are not good enough for them. It's not a nice feeling at all. Sure some people are able to move on from it but other people aren't. 

 

Also there are people out there who know that their friend likes them and will just use them for emotional support and just to boost their own ego. Those people are not nice people and they shouldn't be considered nice people just because some of them are women. 

 

Anyway that is off topic. 

 

Yes people need to stop acting entitled and get over the fact that they can't romance Solas as the character they wished to. No it most certainly isn't something any sane person should find "troublesome". It's just people being over the top because they are disappointed and it will pass. 

[realguile]

Jesus.  The number of play throughs I plan to make for this game is disgusting. 

lol