- if Viv was the last LI, all of the female companions/advisors would be LIs (Leliana was in DAO), and that could send a weird message, that every woman is up for banging you
Okay, this stance has always confused me. I wouldn't get that image at all myself, hell it probably wouldn't even register in my mind unless someone pointed it out. So it's probably a little beyond me to understand it, so is it really something cling to? I don't mean to sound rude but it seems... weird to cling to it.
Vivi would make the gender ratio equal with 4 females and 4 males, Bioware has already said choices would be uneven but they never said gender ratio would be uneven I don't think
Okay, this stance has always confused me. I wouldn't get that image at all myself, hell it probably wouldn't even register in my mind unless someone pointed it out. So it's probably a little beyond me to understand it, so is it really something cling to? I don't mean to sound rude but it seems... weird to cling to it.
Yeah, it's not something that bothers me personally, but I am aware (as I am sure the devs are) of the general trend in games to have females be nothing more than eye candy or prizes to be won. Now, Bioware is certainly not guilty of this - on the contrary, they are probably the best company in the business when it comes to portraying women as actual characters. And if all of the female members of the Inquisition were LIs that would not take away from their being well-developed characters. Still, in this day when the topic of sexism in games is one that frequently pops up in the media, it might be something that critics could very well jump onto.
Okay, this stance has always confused me. I wouldn't get that image at all myself, hell it probably wouldn't even register in my mind unless someone pointed it out. So it's probably a little beyond me to understand it, so is it really something cling to? I don't mean to sound rude but it seems... weird to cling to it.
I don't think it's something people are clinging to - for me, it genuninely does trouble me. There are an uneven number of companions, gender-wise - pretty significantly uneven. And by making all of them love interests, there's an implication that the reason these particular characters are female is primarily so that they can be romanced by people who prefer women.
On the other hand, of course, there's the implication that if Vivienne isn't a romance character, there's something being said about the desireability of Dragon Age's first expressly African-featured character. To wit, that people wouldn't want to romance her because of how she looks. So either way, Bioware's painted themselves in a bit of a corner.
Okay, this stance has always confused me. I wouldn't get that image at all myself, hell it probably wouldn't even register in my mind unless someone pointed it out. So it's probably a little beyond me to understand it, so is it really something cling to? I don't mean to sound rude but it seems... weird to cling to it.
It's not so much a matter of "clinging" to the stance that having all of the female characters be romanceable DOES send that message, but a concern that the decision to make all the females in the main cast romanceable comes out of or reinforces the already existing perceptions of women as universally available sexual objects. It's something I had noticed as well and initially assumed that it would mean that Vivienne was out of the running after the other 3 women were all confirmed. I eventually decided Bioware could probably still make Vivienne romanceable without it being problematic (even, as TheGus pointed out, that it might be problematic if she's NOT), given that their romances don't treat women as objects and that they decided not to make Morrigan or Leliana romanceable.
But, as Judas said, the status quo in games tends to be that female NPCs are winnable objects for male PCs, so it's still a concern worth voicing and most likely something the devs took into account when planning the romances.
Not sure if its still a problem, but just in case for this thread and other threads related, its a good idea not to let a troll/insensitive person derail a thread for pages. If someone's truly acting in that way, its a better idea just to report them and let the mods handle it.
My money is on Vivienne. Human (male) only.
I'd be dissapointed if Viv wasn't a LI after all.
I don't think it's something people are clinging to - for me, it genuninely does trouble me. There are an uneven number of companions, gender-wise - pretty significantly uneven. And by making all of them love interests, there's an implication that the reason these particular characters are female is primarily so that they can be romanced by people who prefer women.
On the other hand, of course, there's the implication that if Vivienne isn't a romance character, there's something being said about the desireability of Dragon Age's first expressly African-featured character. To wit, that people wouldn't want to romance her because of how she looks. So either way, Bioware's painted themselves in a bit of a corner.
Yeah, this.
On the one hand, I really, really want Vivienne to be a romance option, because the cultural default with black female characters is the "tough strong black woman who needs no man", which many WOC commentators have pointed out time and time again to be very problematic.
On the other hand, having 2 of the 3 female compations to be possible romance options for a male Inquisitor is a bit... unfortunate, particularly when most of the male compantions aren't romance options for a female Inquisitor (or anyone, for that matter).
But then again, at least it's not looking as bad as ME3's romance line-up... (Hey, straight FemShep! Saved Ashley? Didn't romance Garrus in ME2? Well, hope you're happy with your cheater/corpse of a BF/forever alone, since we have exactly 0 romance options for you! Hope you're happy! - I love the game as a whole, but sometimes...)
Yeah, this.
On the one hand, I really, really want Vivienne to be a romance option, because the cultural default with black female characters is the "tough strong black woman who needs no man", which many WOC commentators have pointed out time and time again to be very problematic.
On the other hand, having 2 of the 3 female compations to be possible romance options for a male Inquisitor is a bit... unfortunate, particularly when most of the male compantions aren't romance options for a female Inquisitor (or anyone, for that matter).
But then again, at least it's not looking as bad as ME3's romance line-up... (Hey, straight FemShep! Saved Ashley? Didn't romance Garrus in ME2? Well, hope you're happy with your cheater/corpse of a BF/forever alone, since we have exactly 0 romance options for you! Hope you're happy! - I love the game as a whole, but sometimes...)
Plus waking up next to Javik after a party or coercing James Vega to sex.
Just really bad if you the player didn't like Garrus or Kaidan.
and I want my female Inquisitor to have her Harem LOL
I want my female inquisitor to have a harem too 
I want my female inquisitor to have a harem too
Guess gender gap within gaming is really getting smaller.
Ya, harem for everyone.
I think Vivienne will be the last LI; I personally don't see Blackwall as a romance option since he is a grey warden and has that sense of duty.
I don't like to judge until I actually play the game but I'm kinda let down with the romances for straight males. I usually play RPGs as a straight male human warrior and the LIs offered in DA:I for straight males doesn't appeal to me that much:
- Cassandra: This could be the only one I'm interested the most though I don't like how her face has changed since DA 2, but we'll see in the actual game.
- Josephine: She doesn't attract me at all, plus we know little about her.
- Vivienne (if she ends up being the last LI): same as Josephine.
Dragon Age: Origins appealed me more with only 2 romance options for males. I romanced Morrigan of course. She is better than all those 3 LIs together in my opinion.
The only female that actually attracts me in DA:I is Sera, and she is only available for other females... so either I make a female character and romance Sera or I make my male character and I don't romance anyone at all.
Obviously, my perspective could change when I actually play the game and I get to know the characters, but that's my first impression though.
Viv Must lot of sense conserding you are one of most powerfulll people in Thedas (becoming)
consderding wat we know of her.
But if viv make the cut then of all people that are LI you have 3 mage's that seams abit Much.
But on Other hand blackwall is grey warden for some time now,So it also make sense,
that hi says well i am not going 2 geth much older i dont want a serius relation.
But if i was force to bet i would pick blackwall
Viv Must lot of sense conserding you are one of most powerfulll people in Thedas (becoming)
consderding wat we know of her.
But if viv make the cut then of all people that are LI you have 3 mage's that seams abit Much.
But on Other hand blackwall is grey warden for some time now,So it also make sense,
that hi says well i am not going 2 geth much older i dont want a serius relation.
But if i was force to bet i would pick blackwall
I don't like that Viv would only want to be with you because your one of the most powerfull people in thedas if that's the case she come's off as a shallow person and in that alone make's me not want to even try to romance her
There already are 3 warrior LIs so 3 mages being LIs is not a bit much. Also, Blackwall would make it 4 warrior LIs and only 2 mage LIs.Viv Must lot of sense conserding you are one of most powerfulll people in Thedas (becoming)
consderding wat we know of her.
But if viv make the cut then of all people that are LI you have 3 mage's that seams abit Much.
But on Other hand blackwall is grey warden for some time now,So it also make sense,
that hi says well i am not going 2 geth much older i dont want a serius relation.
But if i was force to bet i would pick blackwall
Viv is, in my view, all about climbing the ladder at any cost so I am certain she would not romance someone if it could decrease her statusI don't like that Viv would only want to be with you because your one of the most powerfull people in thedas if that's the case she come's off as a shallow person and in that alone make's me not want to even try to romance her
There already are 3 warrior LIs so 3 mages being LIs is not a bit much. Also, Blackwall would make it 4 warrior LIs and only 2 mage LIs.
Viv is, in my view, all about climbing the ladder at any cost so I am certain she would not romance someone if it could decrease her status
there is not much of a ladder left to climb the world is gone to hell in a hand basket but yes i see your point
Cas is in line for the throne... quite high up if i remember rightly, like Anora i can see her being racegated due to that.
Plus waking up next to Javik after a party or coercing James Vega to sex.
Just really bad if you the player didn't like Garrus or Kaidan.
Oh lord I had almost forgotten about those...
... because nothing is more tragic and romantic downright creepy and disgusting than waking up with a guy who was clearly completely wasted the night before (Javik), or practically hounding your crew member whose commander and direct surperior you are until he sleeps with you (Vega).
I don't care that we're talking about female Shepard here, because both of those were extremely date-rape-y in all the worst ways possible - but men never get raped/coerced into sex, so its not like that's a problem, right? Ugh. Can't believe it was included in the DLC.
Hope nothing like that makes its way into DA:I.
Because it's the norm, and society demands it. Anyone with a B.A in marketing will tell you this.
Yes, in some countries 100 years ago slavery was toatally a norm.
Good thing some people didn't stick with it.
I don't think we know enough about the LIs personalities or background to gage who might be race gated but I think we can make certain assumptions.
Cullen is unlikely to be race gated because that we make both straight male LIs race gated
Sera & Dorian are unlikely to be race gated because they are the first gay LIs in a Dragon Age game
Since we know that Josephine and Iron Bull are open for everyone, then the most logical race gated LIs are either Cassandra or the TBA LI
I'm can't really see a story read for Cass, Vivienne or Blackwall to be race gated but they are the most logical choice.
As for who will be the next LI, I'm hoping to Vivienne because I think the positive message of being able to romance a black women with more african features overcomes the negative message of all female companions being romanceable.
Also because I love her 
Ultimately I don't mind too much either way, we've got a great selection of LIs in DA:I. I'd be more upset if the TBA LI was straight because that would makes things top heavy towards straight players.
Making the next LI bi or gay gives a wider selection of options for everyone.
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