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[dutch_gamer]

I have to disagree with the comment that Cullen can't be race gated because it would make both straight males race gated. I really, really doubt BioWare's writers would think like that. Someone is race gated because that is what the writers wanted them to be and I just doubt they make them race gated based on what sexuality has yet to be race gated. It is just like Cassandra is straight because that is what the writer wanted her to be in DA 2 instead of listening to popular demand. However, BioWare, as far as I recall has stated in the past that they want all sexualities to have options. This doesn't mean everyone will have the same amount of options but that you will have options. Having only one interest you can pursue is not an option, at least not in my opinion, so I find it more likely everyone has got at least two potential love interests.

 

Also, Cullen has before shown quite some animosity versus dwarves. The type of animosity which, in my opinion, make it unlikely he can fall in love with a female dwarf. His aggression towards Oghren was pretty much racism.

[Panda]

It's going to be gay Blackwall who is race-gated against elves for reasons that make sense story-wise.

[mentos]

We've already had a warden as a LI so I think Viv would be a welcome change as a WOC plus her VA is amazing.

[Amirit]

100% sure it will be Vivienn humans only. Though still think she can be bi. At the end Celene (who should be an example for her) is a lesbian, so Vivienn should at least consider other ways.

[Ashelsu]

Solas' reveal taught me not to assume anything.

 

It's going to be gay Blackwall who is race-gated against elves for reasons that make sense story-wise.

 

He read "Last Flight" and now hates all elves. Makes sense.

[Oswin]

I can imagine Cullen being racegated. Which would make for bad times for my Qunari.. Although I am starting to love the idea of her and Sera anyway.

I may have dive out of a window if that gets announced though. Run. Run like the wind until the storm clears.

 

As for the last LI, I keep assuming it'll be Viv for the sake of having 4 males and 4 females. But then my brain likes to remind me of how ME3 played out for my Femshep. Heh. They'll be rage either way though. There's always so much rage when it comes to romance. Impossible to please everyone in this subject.

 

Personally I'd love the 8th to be something a bit weird. Like it's Blackwall, but he's gay and race-gated to dwarves because he has a particular kind of beard fetish. I would do be down with rocking a male dwarven playthrough for the bearded love story.

[luckycooky]

the racegated is verry hard to guess because only a quistion of taste.

And it will make sense. There dont have bee story behind it.Personaly i would not go bed whit dwarf or Quanari either.

[Damate]

BW has thrown us a lot if surprises with LIs so who knows who the last LI will be or the last race gated romance. I'm eager to find out and I really hope they reveal it sooooooon. These staggered reveals and sporadic info drops have been hard for a lot of fans, which is unfortunate.

That said! I really hope Blackwall is the last LI For selfish reasons I want him to be romancable by the ladies. But I TRULY hope he's Bi... Because I think he'd make a fantastic m/m romance as well. One if my fave DA novel characters was the two wardens in The Calling who were also a touching, loving gay couple. Their arch was handled so well, if bittersweet. Truly some of my fave characters Mr. Gaider's written and I'd love for Blackwall to represent something similar (though yes, I know, Blackwall isn't written by DG). While I do want to Romance Blackwall with a femQuis, I wouldn't be upset if he was made a gay option, either, just because I'd be pleased with the refreshing portrayal.

I also fail to see why his being an older GW means he can't be a romance.... It may well be a very bittersweet romance if he's close to his Calling, but that can add an element of urgency and maturity to a romance that would be interesting to me, personally.

Anyhoo, my two cents

[Oldkoboldqueen]

Just a query for those who think it's problematic, due to strong-woman-of-color stereotypes, if Vivienne isn't an option: what if she is explicitly portrayed as asexual? Does that change anything?

I'm not arguing with you all, by the way, just curious for opinions.

I think it would depend on how they handled her character. It's important to note that there's a significant difference between the "don't need no man" cliche and an actually tough, independent female character.

If they used "asexual" as an excuse to go with a more stereotypical depiction of a black woman and/or she was depicted as being unattractive/undesireable (ie "asexual = emotionless", "I see you as a sister", various other tropes) that wouldn't help at all. On the other hand, if she was still conveyed/depicted as desirable but it was made clear that HER choice/preference is not to have sex/be in a relationship that's a bit better, but still depends on how they handle her making that choice or having that preference. And since we're discussing black women and relationships, there's always the danger of over-compensating and falling into the other Pit of Racial Depiction Despair: "black women are available for sex all the time" aka the Objectified Black Female Body.

It's also worth noting that asexual's can and do still have intimate, romantic relationships even if they don't have sex. So using asexuality to make her not an LI at all doesn't really work, it would probably make her more like Samara's friendship/romance arc.

[phantomrachie]

I have to disagree with the comment that Cullen can't be race gated because it would make both straight males race gated. I really, really doubt BioWare's writers would think like that. Someone is race gated because that is what the writers wanted them to be and I just doubt they make them race gated based on what sexuality has yet to be race gated. It is just like Cassandra is straight because that is what the writer wanted her to be in DA 2 instead of listening to popular demand. However, BioWare, as far as I recall has stated in the past that they want all sexualities to have options. This doesn't mean everyone will have the same amount of options but that you will have options. Having only one interest you can pursue is not an option, at least not in my opinion, so I find it more likely everyone has got at least two potential love interests.

 

Also, Cullen has before shown quite some animosity versus dwarves. The type of animosity which, in my opinion, make it unlikely he can fall in love with a female dwarf. His aggression towards Oghren was pretty much racism.

 

BioWare have said that not everyone will have the same amount of options, I just find it hard to believe that the 2 straight males would be race gate.

 

Cullen does seem like a likely candidate but I just don't think that both straight males will be race gated.  

[Eldritchness]

I also fail to see why his being an older GW means he can't be a romance.... It may well be a very bittersweet romance if he's close to his Calling, but that can add an element of urgency and maturity to a romance that would be interesting to me, personally.

 

To me is not that he strictly can't be a romance, it's just unlikely as far as I'm concerned because of his personality. In some way, I see him as the Sten of DA: I, I could be wrong though.

[Damate]

To me is not that he strictly can't be a romance, it's just unlikely as far as I'm concerned because of his personality. In some way, I see him as the Sten of DA: I, I could be wrong though.

Sure, I can see where you're coming from with that perception. The only thing that makes me wonder if he isn't more boisterous/outgoing than Sten is that concept art of Sera, Cassandra, Blackwall at a tavern, with Blackwall all out laughing, like a burly guffaw. I THINK DG even mentioned that the art really captured their personalities.

But the guy is so very much an unknown, so who knows how he'll turn out in game.

[Eldritchness]

Sure, I can see where you're coming from with that perception. The only thing that makes me wonder if he isn't more boisterous/outgoing than Sten is that concept art of Sera, Cassandra, Blackwall at a tavern, with Blackwall all out laughing, like a burly guffaw. I THINK DG even mentioned that the art really captured their personalities.

But the guy is so very much an unknown, so who knows how he'll turn out in game.

 

Yeah, I remember that concept art and I see your point too. I don't even think Blackwall will be a copy of Sten at all, I see him like a more friendly and compassionate person, but on the other hand, I think he took the grey warden oath very seriously and he will not let anyone be involved in a relationship with him because that could be a problem in the way of: "I have to make a decission, do I save my beloved one or the entire world?"

 

It'll be interesting to know how it goes.

[Damate]

Yeah, I remember that concept art and I see your point too. I don't even think Blackwall will be a copy of Sten at all, I see him like a more friendly and compassionate person, but on the other hand, I think he took the grey warden oath very seriously and he will not let anyone to be involved in a relationship with him because that could be a problem in the way of: "I have to make a decission, do I save my beloved one or the entire world?"

It'll be interesting to know how it goes.

That's definitely a valid argument: I just think we simply don't know enough about the character to tell what his response to that conundrum would be. After all, we've seen that very question posed quite intimately in DA:O, especially if you romance Alistair and get banter/convo from Morrigan and Wynne. Mind you, in DAO we're these newbie Wardens trying to make things work through 90% desperation and 10% guidance, lol. So it is interesting to see how a seasoned, dutiful and devoted GW would choose to approach the question of the value of a relationship in the face if duty. You get the impression he'd be closed off from it. I wonder if he might decide an equally dutiful and tied-to-a-cause individual might be worth the involvement, even if both knew it was likely short lived.

But as we both agree: we'll find out when we see how it goes down!

[Eldritchness]

That's definitely a valid argument: I just think we simply don't know enough about the character to tell what his response to that conundrum would be. After all, we've seen that very question posed quite intimately in DA:O, especially if you romance Alistair and get banter/convo from Morrigan and Wynne. Mind you, in DAO we're these newbie Wardens trying to make things work through 90% desperation and 10% guidance, lol. So it is interesting to see how a seasoned, dutiful and devoted GW would choose to approach the question of the value of a relationship in the face if duty. You get the impression he'd be closed off from it. I wonder if he might decide an equally dutiful and tied-to-a-cause individual might be worth the involvement, even if both knew it was likely short lived.

But as we both agree: we'll find out when we see how it goes down!

 

It's true, I remember Wynne warning me about this when I romanced Morrigan. And now that I think about it, Blackwall being a dutiful and devoted grey warden reminds me of Duncan more than Sten, they even look alike, kind of.

[Damate]

It's true, I remember Wynne warning me about this when I romanced Morrigan. And now that I think about it, Blackwall being a dutiful and devoted grey warden reminds me of Duncan more than Sten, they even look alike, kind of.

And if you romance Alistair, Morrigan and he have a great banter where she wonders if two GWs should be romantically involved, especially if it came down to a question of defeating the archdemon or saving the one you love.

Blackwall totally makes me think of Duncan who I would have romanced in a heartbeat Older guy? "Military"? Compassionate/Dutiful? MAGNIFICENT beard? Yes, please! but that's me.

[daveliam]

BioWare have said that not everyone will have the same amount of options, I just find it hard to believe that the 2 straight males would be race gate.

 

Cullen does seem like a likely candidate but I just don't think that both straight males will be race gated.  

 

But straight women also have Iron Bull, so they already have three options.  I could easily see them restricting two of them since they already have more options than other groups.  Plus, there's also the possibility that Blackwall is an LI too.  So, in theory, they could have 4 romances, but 2 of them are restricted.

[KC_Prototype]

Please be Vivienne! PLEASE!!!!!

[Eldritchness]

And if you romance Alistair, Morrigan and he have a great banter where she wonders if two GWs should be romantically involved, especially if it came down to a question of defeating the archdemon or saving the one you love.

Blackwall totally makes me think of Duncan who I would have romanced in a heartbeat Older guy? "Military"? Compassionate/Dutiful? MAGNIFICENT beard? Yes, please! but that's me.

 

Yes, I've heard some people loving these "Grey Warden attributes".

 

Maybe you have your chance in this game  .

[phantomrachie]

But straight women also have Iron Bull, so they already have three options.  I could easily see them restricting two of them since they already have more options than other groups.  Plus, there's also the possibility that Blackwall is an LI too.  So, in theory, they could have 4 romances, but 2 of them are restricted.

 

Yeah they'd have Iron Bull AND all the race gated romances, so a straight female qunari or dwarf would have 1 option, whereas all other sexualities have at least 2 choices regardless of race.

 

If the last LI is Blackwall and Blackwall isn't gay, then I could see Cullen being the last race gated romance because as you said they'd have 4 romances with 2 being race gated.

 

If Vivienne is the last LI however, I think it would be unfair for straight female Inquisitors to have all of the race gated options. 

 

Of course fairness doesn't necessarily come into this as BioWare should make a decision based on what's best for their story.

 

It's just after ME3, were its possible for a straight femshep to be forever alone, I think it would be a bit bad to restrict the straight female romances again.

[Lemon]

 

It's also worth noting that asexual's can and do still have intimate, romantic relationships even if they don't have sex. So using asexuality to make her not an LI at all doesn't really work, it would probably make her more like Samara's friendship/romance arc.

 

 As an asexual who does not enjoy intimate and romantic relationships, and would rather just be best friends with everyone, I think her not being an LI because of her asexuality could work. Just as there are asexuals who enjoy intimacy, there are others who do not. Vivenne could easily be one of these types of people.

[aerisblight]

I dont really get why people hate race gated. See it like this; now you have a good reason to play the game 3 times! or 4!

 

I know I will make a male elf first, and a female elf second. It will really improve the replay experience for me!

[90s Luke]

but it seems forced I will play the games numerous times and also pick different races but not for romances but for the story

And Solas romance in particular is way too restriced I mean at least make him or available to another race

this way only very few players will experience the romance which is a shame

 

If he were available to another race or both genders, then it would (presumably) be inconsistent with his character arc. In actuality, THAT would be "forced" because his romance would have been constructed in total ignorance of who the character is or what his story is.

[Eldritchness]

I dont really get why people hate race gated. See it like this; now you have a good reason to play the game 3 times! or 4!

 

I know I will make a male elf first, and a female elf second. It will really improve the replay experience for me!

 

Let me put it this way:

 

When I play a fantasy RPG I usually choose to play as a male human warrior the first time, and that playthrough will be my main and canon playthrough for the whole series as "what really happened in my story". Of course I will play the game many times after my first playthrough, exploring all the possibilities, making different choices and creating several characters; and, though I will enjoy all these secondary playthroughs, I still have a main one. My point is that if you cannot romance the character you like with your main character in your main story is not cool to have to do it with a character that isn't really yours. I don't know if anybody agrees with me in this, but my first character is always the one I have in mind and the one I enjoy the most; the others, sure I will enjoy their playthroughs as well but is not the same and they are not really me.

 

I have an immense love towards Morrigan. Imagine that, for any reason, Morrigan couldn't be romanced by noble human males. I will be pissed off I can tell you, because my main/real/canon character couldn't romance the character I like the most in Dragon Age: Origins.

 

And right now, the character that attracts me the most in Dragon Age: Inquisition is Sera, but she is lesbian, so I cannot romance her with my main/real/canon character in Inquisition.

 

I mean, it's ok for developers to do the race-gating and the sexual condition of the characters in order to benefit the story, but it's also normal that some choices don't be equally accepted.