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[pengwin21]

I dont really get why people hate race gated. See it like this; now you have a good reason to play the game 3 times! or 4!

 

I know I will make a male elf first, and a female elf second. It will really improve the replay experience for me!

 

I see race gating as a positive somewhat- for instance Solas will be able to reference things about Dalish culture and the PC can actually talk about it in the romance.

 

Whereas say, Josephine is unlikely to have much race specific dialogue because there would have to be four versions of it- more than a line or so of acknowledgement can get cumbersome.

[Han Shot First]

I'd be surprised if the final LI wasn't Vivienne. 

 

The known female LIs are Cassandra, Sera, and Josephine.

 

The known male LIs are Cullen, Solas, the Iron Bull, and Dorian.

 

Vivienne would make an even 4/4 split between male and female LIs while Blackwall would make it a 5/3 split with more male options. Also we've been told that the finale LI is companion, so *if* that final LI is female it has to be Vivienne, as there are any three female companion characters and two of them are already confirmed LIs.

 

My guess is that Vivienne is going to be the final LI but gated for humans only. 

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

It's not so much a matter of "clinging" to the stance that having all of the female characters be romanceable DOES send that message, but a concern that the decision to make all the females in the main cast romanceable comes out of or reinforces the already existing perceptions of women as universally available sexual objects. It's something I had noticed as well and initially assumed that it would mean that Vivienne was out of the running after the other 3 women were all confirmed. I eventually decided Bioware could probably still make Vivienne romanceable without it being problematic (even, as TheGus pointed out, that it might be problematic if she's NOT), given that their romances don't treat women as objects and that they decided not to make Morrigan or Leliana romanceable.

But, as Judas said, the status quo in games tends to be that female NPCs are winnable objects for male PCs, so it's still a concern worth voicing and most likely something the devs took into account when planning the romances.

 

I've wondered about this stance too.

 

Here's the thing. Sera is available to females only, Cass is available to males only, so you have, in any given playthrough, at least one female who is not available to that inquisitor. This would appear to resolve your concerns, no? As for females being 'winnable objects' in games.. well if that's the case, then so are the male romance options. And in a way they are. They are not real people. They were added to the game to be romance options, in part. Really, they were added to the game for the player to interact with in a variety if ways.

 

I think its clear there aren't enough female companions, and the devs rationale behind this is just bizarre, so yes as someone else said, Bioware has painted themselves into a corner.

 

In any case, even ignoring these factors, this will be the first DA game where this is the case. Aveline and Wynne were not romancable at all.

 

The thing that really boggles my mind is that people think this has anything at all to do with real life. No-one, not one single person, regards every female they meet as a potential sex partner. (well, unless they are off their rocker) No-one is going to start thinking that because of a video game.

[BloodyTalon]

Think Viv will be the last one and if she is she will be race gated or if not her Cass will get the gate.

But sorta makes sense that both the last ones announced would be the race gated.

 

[Deflagratio]

Hoping for Blackwall personally, though I think it'll be Vivienne. It's bad enough for BioWare when they add a handful of non Straight male LI options, I can't imagine how many new accounts would be created solely for the purpose yelling at developers would pop up if Straight M LI options were no longer the majority, or at least a tied majority.

 

If we speak objectively though, I think now Heterosexual Female represents the largest gaming demographic. Not sure how bloated the percentage is off respondents who only play mobile games though.

[Elton John]

I don't think Blackwall will be romanceable character. He's close to his calling (right?) and he also seems to be a dedicated Grey Warden, so it makes sense for him to avoid romances especially at his stage.

[pastabender]

I think the Grey Warden dilemma could actually be incredibly compelling in a romance with Blackwall. It would add very different kinds of emotions to that story.

Everyone's arguments on here are all valid though, it's difficult to see which way it will go. Bioware should just put us all out of our misery so we can accept it and then move on.

[Magdalena11]

I would like to point out that of all the possible romance options, the one with the least time/energy to be distracted is the INQUISITOR!  But many players are planning on pursuing a romance regardless.

 

I hope they finally pull off the bandaid, though.  Easing it off a mm at a time is agonizing.

[Mihura]

I think the Grey Warden dilemma could actually be incredibly compelling in a romance with Blackwall. It would add very different kinds of emotions to that story.

Everyone's arguments on here are all valid though, it's difficult to see which way it will go. Bioware should just put us all out of our misery so we can accept it and then move on.

 

That would be kinda nice but there is already a bulky male romance, so I really doubt it. At this time I already accept that VIvienne is the last one and she is straight, if not it would be a nice surprise, if yes than I already finished my first PT planning.

[Knight_47K]

Is it me, should at least one LI be left for us to find out ourselves.

[Deflagratio]

Is it me, should at least one LI be left for us to find out ourselves.

 

 

I personally think none of them should have been revealed, but that's not the world we live in.

[BubbleDncr]

I personally think none of them should have been revealed, but that's not the world we live in.

 

I agree. But now that all but 1 is revealed, it seems rather pointless to not reveal the last one. 

[daveliam]

I want nothing more than Blackwall to be a bisexual or gay option (ungated). 

 

However, there are just a few pieces of evidence that are making me doubt it:

 

* Sheryl's comment about a character that she is writing reminder her of her dad

* Sheryl's comment that Blackwall is more interested in hot water bottles versus romance (or something to this effect, I'm paraphrasing)

* Sheryl's comment that she hopes we're not disappointed because he's hotter than she originally thought

 

Looking at these three comments together, I can't help but think that he's not an LI. 

 

I'm bracing myself for an inevitable Vivienne announcement.  I'm just hoping beyond belief that if it's her, she's bisexual or lesbian and not gated against dwarves and qunari. 

 

But I'm starting to get a bit worried.

[metalfenix]

I'm just assuming that we'll end as Viv as a straight/bi Final Li. I try to not cling to the hope of blackwall being a Bi Li, he was my favorite from the start (followed by the bull).

[JusticarStef]

I sorta hopefully want Viv to avoid all romance, it'll make her character seem more powerful and independent. Like she won't let anyone get in the way of her true secret goals and motives. 

 

YAY! I'm not alone in this feeling! I have several friends who would be terribly disappointed if this were the case.

 

I'm going to say it is far more likely that Vivienne is the last romance option with race gate (human). I want to say male-only, but my hope would be for her to be bi (if she is a romance).

[Han Shot First]

YAY! I'm not alone in this feeling! I have several friends who would be terribly disappointed if this were the case.

 

I'm going to say it is far more likely that Vivienne is the last romance option with race gate (human). I want to say male-only, but my hope would be for her to be bi (if she is a romance).

 

If Vivienne is the last LI I think she'll probably be bi, as the other two female companion LIs are straight (Cassandra) and lesbian (Sera),

[blussi]

Why are some people thinking Vivienne is going to be human-only romance? That feels too one dimentional analysis of character for me. Who knows deep down Vivienne might actually be sweet and kind person with infinite amount of love to give but she's hiding it because she's afraid of someone taking advantage of it? She might open herself to someone who can melt her frozen heart.. whether you are human,elf,dwarf or qunari.

 

I mean, I'm not saying Vivienne is going to be Morrigan No.2, but I'm pretty sure she will have much more interesting personality than just being 'cold-hearted ambitious woman who will use inquisitor only as a tool'.  

[daveliam]

Why are some people thinking Vivienne is going to be human-only romance? That feels too one dimentional analysis of character for me. Who knows deep down Vivienne might actually be sweet and kind person with infinite amount of love to give but she's hiding it because she's afraid of someone taking advantage of it? She might open herself to someone who can melt her frozen heart.. whether you are human,elf,dwarf or qunari.

 

I mean, I'm not saying Vivienne is going to be Morrigan No.2, but I'm pretty sure she will have much more interesting personality than just being 'cold-hearted ambitious woman who will use inquisitor only as a tool'.  

 

I think people are too tied up in the idea that Vivienne would avoid all non-human romances because of court drama.  I tend to think that Vivienne seems like the type of gal who would love to cause a little scandal in the court, since it would garner her more attention.  I don't think she'd make political suicide by making drama just for drama's sake, but I could easily see her thinking that a romance with a non-human, especially the Inquisitor who is going to be one of the most powerful and influential people in Thedas, is enough to keep tongues wagging.  She strikes me as a "It's better to have them talking about your scandal than not talking about you at all" type of gal.  I'm not convinced that she's going to be gated at all.

[frylock23]

I think it's pretty unlikely they would race-gait BOTH straight female options. If Solas, one straight female option, will only romance elves, how does that not overly restrict straight females to give us another LI who is also race-gaited?

 

And while I also understand that gays are really excited to have two 100% gay LIs, I don't see why logically this means you cannot have one of your options race-gaited. Characters are who they are and have the prejudices they have. Just because Sera is a lesbian may doesn't mean she can't have a serious hang-up over mages ... or humans. Just because Dorian is gay doesn't mean he can't really have some serious issues with qunari. I understand it will make some of you angry ... but that's what the bi-sexual romances are for ... or that's what we repeatedly get told when we find out preferred LIs are unavailable or unattractive for some reason.

 

They are there to expand our options. Or you play something the homosexual or straight romances you really want find acceptable.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Why are some people thinking Vivienne is going to be human-only romance? That feels too one dimentional analysis of character for me. Who knows deep down Vivienne might actually be sweet and kind person with infinite amount of love to give but she's hiding it because she's afraid of someone taking advantage of it? She might open herself to someone who can melt her frozen heart.. whether you are human,elf,dwarf or qunari.

 

I mean, I'm not saying Vivienne is going to be Morrigan No.2, but I'm pretty sure she will have much more interesting personality than just being 'cold-hearted ambitious woman who will use inquisitor only as a tool'.  

I think you are getting Cassandra and Vivienne mixed up. We already have the "hard exterior, soft inside" type romance in the former. I doubt that Vivienne will be the same as that wouldn't be showing much different than with the Cassandra romance. Also considering the introduction blog to her character, I think it is easy to understand why people believe she will be a human-only romance.

 

 

I think people are too tied up in the idea that Vivienne would avoid all non-human romances because of court drama.  I tend to think that Vivienne seems like the type of gal who would love to cause a little scandal in the court, since it would garner her more attention.  I don't think she'd make political suicide by making drama just for drama's sake, but I could easily see her thinking that a romance with a non-human, especially the Inquisitor who is going to be one of the most powerful and influential people in Thedas, is enough to keep tongues wagging.  She strikes me as a "It's better to have them talking about your scandal than not talking about you at all" type of gal.  I'm not convinced that she's going to be gated at all.

Dang it, was in the middle of writing a big post pointing out why she'd be human-only and then you've come along and pretty knocked my argument out before I could post it 

 

As I was going to point out that going by the 'Introduction' blog they wrote for her. "Her rise to power was through guile and deft political maneuvering." and as such I considered that knowledge of her being romantically involved with an 'elevated' Dalish, Surface Dwarf or Qunari Mercenary would be seen as a step down the ladder. But I suppose you are right seeing as I would imagine being linked to a Noble of a City-State would be equally seen as 'lowering her standards' by some Orlesians. If she is open to all races, then I imagine her to be Male-only and then Cassandra will be confirmed as being Human-only with the potential story being to do with her Royal lineage or something like that.

[ManchesterUnitedFan1]

I think Cassandra will be racegated to only humans and vivienne will be straight and not be racegated.

 

With cassandra, being a high up noble, it makes sesne that she'd only really be able to be in relationshuips with other human nobles. Maybe it'll be like alistair, I'm not sure.

 

If she IS racegated to only humans, I'm 99% sure vivienne will be straight/bi. Otherwise, the straight male gamer would only have one romance option if he weren't human, and who would want the straight male gamer to be limited?

 

 

Fingers crossed for Blackwall for me but....I'm not very confident :/

[BellPeppers&Beef023]

One way or another, upon the reveal...