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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Dalish and Mages. 

 

Awwww yeah!

[Master Warder Z_]

Awwww yeah!

 

I knew you would like that.

 

But one critical thing was left out.

 

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Spoiler

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Threads like these make me extra glad I rarely if ever pursue waifus.

 

Too much investment leads to pain if things don't go EXACTLY your way.

 

Same here....

 

I do not pursue the romances for my canon characters in games (where I play as myself, make the decisions I would make, learn the abilities I would like to learn, etc) for these reasons....

 

1) Romances = Costs are astronomical and benefits are negligible....It's just a few minutes of pleasure followed by pointless drama... prefer reading a book or learning a new spell or a new weapon move...Though the 8 ability in combat restriction might put a damper on that one...

 

2) Everyone has an deeply emotional opinion of and on romances and romanceablity and they shove it down on you to validate it....

 

I would like it if the main character does not get into any romance, they get some bonus like a free talent point or a free ability point. i mean you are not busy shagging or sleeping around and most like will spend that time training or learning. 

 

As for equality in romances, I don't think it is or it will be happening. For the simple reason that the followers and advisors in Inquisition are actual characters with their own sexual preferences, not the Inquisitors' romance equality satisfying statistic. 

 

Blackwall and Vivienne will like who they want because they are Blackwall and Vivienne, not because equal options or more options for homosexuals or more options for heterosexuals or more options for bisexuals.

 

Though if I was Blackwall or Vivienne, I would most likely be making an effort to run away from being romanceable at this point, especially after seeing the types of Inquisitors they would have to deal with. 

[Icy Magebane]

I would like it if the main character does not get into any romance, they get some bonus like a free talent point or a free ability point. i mean you are not busy shagging or sleeping around and most like will spend that time training or learning. 

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I'd probably take that deal.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

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I'd probably take that deal.

 

I actually do that with my no-romance characters for DA games. Usually it comes in the form of Willpower boost or a free skill point / spell.  

[Zjarcal]

I would like it if the main character does not get into any romance, they get some bonus like a free talent point or a free ability point. i mean you are not busy shagging or sleeping around and most like will spend that time training or learning.

Shagging is good exercise, keeps you in good shape, just as good as some training.

It's also effective backstabbing training. 

[Vapaa]

1) Romances = Costs are astronomical and benefits are negligible

 

To you.

 

News flash: not everyone is you.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

You know what's really sad? With all the arguing of who should get extras, I can't remember the last time I saw a poster on either side supporting more options for anyone, generally. Every single poster I've seen in this thread has advocated equality of options. And yet Bioware won't make that a priority, themselves? That's what's really disappointing, to me.   

[Ceoldoren]

You know what's really sad? With all the arguing of who should get extras, I can't remember the last time I saw a poster on either side supporting more options for anyone, generally. Every single poster I've seen in this thread has advocated equality of options. And yet Bioware won't make that a priority, themselves? That's what's really disappointing, to me.   

This is a good point, more than anything I think people, straight or queer, just want equal options. I don't think that's so bad. None of us want to have more options than everyone else.

[Trophonius]

You know what's really sad? With all the arguing of who should get extras, I can't remember the last time I saw a poster on either side supporting more options for anyone, generally. Every single poster I've seen in this thread has advocated equality of options. And yet Bioware won't make that a priority, themselves? That's what's really disappointing, to me.

Maybe this is a sign that we'll finally be given the chance to shine in the next DA/ME game.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

You know what's really sad? With all the arguing of who should get extras, I can't remember the last time I saw a poster on either side supporting more options for anyone, generally. Every single poster I've seen in this thread has advocated equality of options. And yet Bioware won't make that a priority, themselves? That's what's really disappointing, to me.   

 

Because people in real life are not equal when it comes to their sexual preferences. This is just reality, it is part of being a sentient humanoid. 

 

If this was the case then everyone would be bisexuals. However, this is not the case. Not everyone is bisexual or pansexual.

 

People are not the same. People's sexual choices and preferences are not the same. 

 

To have diversity and representation, there needs to exist inequality of some form in the first place. Things are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Characters are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Character love interests are only diverse and different when their sexual preferences are not the same. 

 

People are different. Their characteristics are different. Their sexualities and sexual preferences are different.

 

That is what Bioware is going for in DA:I. That is how it works in the real world. This is how it should be. 

 

Additionally, I find it very weird and awkward that people are already swooning head over heels for people who they have essentially only see pictures of. None of us have interacted with these characters, none of us know what they are really like and yet we are already saying "straight Vivienne or bisexual Blackwall or gated Dorian or non-gated Cassandra". 

 

What if Vivienne is bisexual but she is an absolute ****** in game and she backstabs the Inquisitor for her own advancement ? What if Blackwall is bisexual but he dies or get possessed by Corypheus and you have kill him ? What if Cassandra dislikes non-Andrastians and forces her Chanty doctrines on your Inquisitor during her romance arc ? What if Solas just views the female Dalish elf as a breeder to create more dreamers ?

 

Still romancing them ?

 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Maybe this is a sign that we'll finally be given the chance to shine in the next DA/ME game.

I don't have much hope for ME, but I do hope the DA team will take note of this for next time.

 

Although, ME did offer gay exclusives first. Maybe we'll find out that, in some ways, ME really is the more progressive team. 

[Hellion Rex]

Because people in real life are not equal when it comes to their sexual preferences. This is just reality, it is part of being a sentient humanoid. 

 

If this was the case then everyone would be bisexuals. However, this is not the case. Not everyone is bisexuals or pansexuals. 

 

People are not the same. People's sexual choices and preferences are not the same. 

 

To have diversity and representation, there needs to exist inequality of some form in the first place. Things are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Characters are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Character love interests are only diverse and different when their sexual preferences are not the same. 

....what a load of crap. Representation and diversity require inequality? That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read.

[Hellion Rex]

Maybe we'll find out that, in some ways, ME really is the more progressive team. 

Lol, that'll be the day.

[Ceoldoren]

Because people in real life are not equal when it comes to their sexual preferences. This is just reality, it is part of being a sentient humanoid. 

 

If this was the case then everyone would be bisexuals. However, this is not the case. Not everyone is bisexuals or pansexuals. 

 

People are not the same. People's sexual choices and preferences are not the same. 

 

To have diversity and representation, there needs to exist inequality of some form in the first place. Things are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Characters are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Character love interests are only diverse and different when their sexual preferences are not the same. 

Wait, how are diversity and representation related to inequality ?  That's like saying that because black people are equals with white people in America and are on TV. They are no longer diverse and different. Your logic is ridiculous.

 

Let's not forget, this is a video game, set in a fantasy universe. Theirs enough cruelty and racism and homophobia in real life. If there being as many queer romances as straight romances is the thing that makes you say "This is completely unrealistic" In a video game that has dragons, magic, and giant holes in the sky. You need to rethink your mind set. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Because people in real life are not equal when it comes to their sexual preferences. This is just reality, it is part of being a sentient humanoid. 

 

If this was the case then everyone would be bisexuals. However, this is not the case. Not everyone is bisexuals or pansexuals. 

 

People are not the same. People's sexual choices and preferences are not the same. 

 

To have diversity and representation, there needs to exist inequality of some form in the first place. Things are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Characters are only diverse and different when they are not the same. Character love interests are only diverse and different when their sexual preferences are not the same. 

I don't have any problem at all with the all bi system. I think it's really silly to pick this specific thing out as the "unrealistic" part of Dragon Age games. Most of their events are unrealistic. That your character bumbles into saving the world and having all political heads of the land cowing to you is extremely unrealistic. People only pick and choose what "realism" issues matter to them.

 

The all bi system is not the only system that provides equality, though. The 2/2/2 distribution system, or 2/4/2, would provide an equal amount of choices with different sexualities included.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

....what a load of crap. Representation and diversity require inequality? That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read.

 

How is it ignorant ? I am a Southeast Asian who lived near a tropical forest, in a broken down hut at one point and I like women who are feminine and intelligent. Someone else might be from Central Europe, from a well to do family and is bisexual, etc. Someone else might be from North America black community and they are pansexual. 

 

We are all different. We are all not equal. We are all diverse. 

 

The same goes with Inquisiton's followers and advisors. 

 

Josephine is a feminine bisexual Antivan diplomat. Cassandra is a tough as nails but soft inside Nevarran warrior lady who likes men. Iron Bull is part of a faith enforcer organization suffering from PTSD, who sleeps around. Dorian is from a well-to-do Tevinter family who has turned his back on its norms and traditions.

 

All of them are different. All have different sexual preferences. That makes them diverse. That makes them representative.

 

We are different. Diversity requires differences. Representation without differences is not representation, it is homogenation. That was my point. 

[Master Warder Z_]

We are different. Diversity requires differences. Representation without differences is not representation, it is homogenation. That was my point. 

 

You do have a point with that.

[Ceoldoren]

How is it ignorant ? I am a Southeast Asian who lived near a tropical forest, in a broken down hut at one point and I like women who are feminine and intelligent. Someone else might be from Central Europe, from a well to do family and is bisexual, etc. Someone else might be from North America black community and they are pansexual. 

 

We are all different. We are all not equal. We are all diverse. 

 

We are different. Diversity requires differences. Representation without differences is not representation, it is homogenation. That was my point. 

How does representing people of varying races, orientations, and backgrounds equally suddenly take away their diversity ?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

How does representing people of varying races, orientations, and backgrounds equally suddenly take away their diversity ?

 

People here seem to want everyone to bisexual and Inquisitor-sexual...Which totally does not make sense in any way...

[Master Warder Z_]

How does representing people of varying races, orientations, and backgrounds equally suddenly take away their diversity ?

 

They are being represented, i haven't seen any one denying that.

 

I have seen plenty of griping about WHO is receiving that attention, but no one is denying it.

[BabyFratelli]

How is it ignorant ? I am a Southeast Asian who lived near a tropical forest, in a broken down hut at one point and I like women who are feminine and intelligent. Someone else might be from Central Europe, from a well to do family and is bisexual, etc. Someone else might be from North America black community and they are pansexual. 
 
We are all different. We are all not equal. We are all diverse. 
 
The same goes with Inquisiton's followers and advisors. 
 
Josephine is a feminine bisexual Antivan diplomat. Cassandra is a tough as nails but soft inside Nevarran warrior lady who likes men. Iron Bull is part of a faith enforcer organization suffering from PTSD, who sleeps around. Dorian is from a well-to-do Tevinter family who has turned his back on its norms and traditions.
 
All of them are different. All have different sexual preferences. That makes them diverse. That makes them representative.
 
We are different. Diversity requires differences. Representation without differences is not representation, it is homogenation. That was my point.

 
You're not wrong, but in your original post you responded to Nocte with:

 

"Because people in real life are not equal when it comes to their sexual preferences. This is just reality, it is part of being a sentient humanoid."

 

Which is irrelevant to diversity in Thedas, as Thedas is not the real world, so I'm kind of confused to what you're trying to say. 

[Ceoldoren]

People here seem to want everyone to bisexual and Inquisitor-sexual...Which totally does not make sense in any way...

No, I wanted their to be an equal amount of gay, straight, and bisexual people. Not for everyone to want every inquisitor.

 

You're just seeing what you want to see and not looking at what everyone in this thread is saying.

[MACharlie1]

Given that straight people consume the LGBT content, I disagree with the notion that if our game happened to have more gay romances than not, that the game would be any more "catered towards gay people" than any other game.  This is a slippery slope that would be equivalent to alleging that a game that happens to have a gay protagonist is being made for gay people and not straight people.

 

If straight people feel that a game isn't "for them" because of something like this, then it just reinforces to me that it's a problem and continues needing addressing.  Until people stop caring, that is the case.

Didn't Mass Effect 1 have more gay content then straight? 

 

That was a pretty successful franchise if I do say so myself. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

People here seem to want everyone to bisexual and Inquisitor-sexual...Which totally does not make sense in any way...

Nobody said it was the only way to offer equal options.

 

But LIs also aren't the only way to represent multiple sexualities. If you have 4 bi LIs, for example, you can still have multiple non-LIs that are of other sexualities.