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[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I wouldn't count on it over much. If Vivienne is bisexual, lesbians get three options and gay options tend to take the hit when someone is going to. It's very likely that they would gate Sera over a straight male option. If Vivienne is straight, Sera almost certainly won't be gated.  

Unless Vivi is race gated already which looks like it will be the case. They already have a female only race gate so if its not the unknown LI then its more than likely a male only option meaning either Cass or Dorian. They are not going to race gate the first lesbian companion just to give another Bi female in return which has already been done. Both homosexual romance options are safe in my book.

[Panda]

You can definitely discuss it. I wouldn't assume it's my place to tell people what they are or are not allowed to discuss concerning the romance feature.

 

Anyone could be gated at this point. People have been really sure about a lot of things that turned out false. I've followed the romance speculation and, trust me, it's definitely not always what people assume it will be. Nobody was guessing Iron Bull would be ungated (except Vaapa, and we will never forget) and nobody thought Solas would be gated the way he was. Anyone could be smacked with the last of the gates, at this point. Vivienne and Cassandra are both actually really good guesses for the gates right now. Sera, too, if Vivienne is a bisexual LI. If Vivienne is the last LI, it will very likely be a female LI that's gated, and if she's bisexual, it could easily be any female beyond Josephine.

 

I'm not saying race gating isn't something you have the right to be disappointed over. You do and you have a right to complain. Where I draw a line, personally, is saying it's a bad as people getting less options for their gender/sexuality. It's an issue, but it's not an issue on the same level. Making sure people are able to enjoy the romances and their race choice is important, but it's not as important as representing real life groups. That doesn't mean they should throw race choice issues under the bus without serious consideration, but it should be the lower priority.

 

Well it's sure that at least Cassandra and Dorian both won't be race-gated. So there is some relief in that.

 

I think I said gender and race are different since gender is also about representation. Gameplay-wise I hold race more important cause it affects your game more but like I said it's my personal take. All i'm saying is that race is not something you can change with just choosing another race, you have to build your character around it. So race-gating is just big deal as well, not when talking about representation but when talking about playing the actual game.

[Altus Mage]

I have a feeling it's going to be Viv. It'd be really odd of them to say Cass or Dorian or whoever is race-gated several months after revealing they were LIs. Solas's race and gender gate were revealed together. But who knows? I think anything at this point would be possible.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Unless Vivi is race gated already which looks like it will be the case. They already have a female only race gate so if its not the unknown LI then its more than likely a male only option meaning either Cass or Dorian

It can't really be either Dorian or Sera if Vivienne is straight, because they've already said everyone will get two choices regardless of race/sexuality/gender. Gaider said it at GaymerX and Allan said it on the forums. It can only be Dorian or Sera if there's another option to be revealed for gays/lesbians. It could be Dorian if Blackwall is the option and bi/gay and it could be Sera if Vivienne is the option and bi/lesbian. If Vivienne is straight, there aren't many other options than for it to be Vivienne or Cassandra that will be gated. 

[Dova]

Yes because a dress is exactly what you should wear when going into battle. 

Was I talking of battle? Did I say she should be like Miranda?

No. I was speaking of a personal opinion  .

I think she'd look better in something else, when she is not being used as a companion which chances are I will not use her. Especially with the qunari horned hats but no they add that because they didn't give her hair. 

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But hey, mods will come out.  I make mods too, so I could do it also if I had the time. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Here is the race gating quote from Allan again. I found it all by myself for once. 

 

Link to forum post; http://forum.bioware...6#entry16961583

 

Credit to Phate Phoenix for making the screen shot and reposting it repeatedly, because I was too lazy to save the link before. lol

[Ceoldoren]

     OmFg ^ this, so much this. I get really annoyed when some members of the LBGT community go on, and on like they are the most marginalised group. You know what's worse? is going to uni/health clinic seeing a sign about how every sexuality is welcome there, and then they list: gay,lesbian,bi,transsexual and inter-sex. However, A-sexual is not there because we don't exist, apparently.

Sorry but the LBGT is not the most marginalised group, not by a long shot.

We realize this, we're talking within orientations that have had some sort of representation in past games.

 

They should definitely put in something for asexuals, demisexuals etc etc. You should get some options too ! 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The problem with asexuals/demisexuals/etc is recognition. Most people in the mainstream don't even know about these sexualities. It's only gotten to a point recently where most people accept that bisexuality actually exists. For a very long time, even in the gay community, it was denied. These "newer" sexuality labels are facing the same thing, but even more so, people have just never heard of them. I don't think it's largely that people are aware and actively rejecting them, as much as that most don't even know what's being left out.

 

I'm not saying that as a supportive stance for leaving them out, but what needs to happen is that people of those sexualities need to be more vocal in informing people. Make a feedback thread explaining your sexuality and point it out that you're being left out. Go in to that group meeting and express your disappointment that your sexuality isn't on the list. People just don't know, but much of the time they're not trying to actively exclude you.     

[Who Knows]

I think the exclusion of LGBT characters is less excusable considering they're far better known. That said, I would like to see some ace, demisexual, etc options and representation.

[Ray561]

I think the exclusion of LGBT characters is less excusable considering they're far better known. That said, I would like to see some ace, demisexual, etc options and representation.

That's a pretty big cop out if anything people need to know more about there orientation and this is a good way to inform people of it.

[SamanthaJ]

The problem with asexuals/demisexuals/etc is recognition. Most people in the mainstream don't even know about these sexualities. It's only gotten to a point recently where most people accept that bisexuality actually exists. For a very long time, even in the gay community, it was denied. These "newer" sexuality labels are facing the same thing, but even more so, people have just never heard of them. I don't think it's largely that people are aware and actively rejecting them, as much as that most don't even know what's being left out.

 

I'm not saying that as a supportive stance for leaving them out, but what needs to happen is that people of those sexualities need to be more vocal in informing people. Make a feedback thread explaining your sexuality and point it out that you're being left out. Go in to that group meeting and express your disappointment that your sexuality isn't on the list. People just don't know, but much of the time they're not trying to actively exclude you.     

It's true that a lot of people don't know about the "newer" sexualities, but there really are quite a few that do that shout "special snowflake" whenever people do bring them up. 

 

Anyways, this whole LI business really seems out of control. In the future I wish they'd get it out of the way earlier. Perhaps they could just say whether a character is a LI or not and what their sexualities/gates are the moment they're introduced. That way no one waiting for a specific character will be let down the way they have been for DAI.

[Ceoldoren]

I think the exclusion of LGBT characters is less excusable considering they're far better known. That said, I would like to see some ace, demisexual, etc options and representation.

Let's not play the "We have it worse !" game. I'd say LGBT and people of lesser known sexuality deserve some representation.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

That's a pretty big cop out if anything people need to no more about there orientation and this is a good way to inform people of it.

Well, the thing is that writers very likely don't know about these sexualities. It's likely that they're not actively choosing not to include them, but that they just don't know that they're excluding them. You can't really assume that to be true about gays/lesbians/bisexuals. It's not that it's better, necessarily, as much as you can kind of understand if they're not aware. Most people really aren't. Especially most people who are older than about 30 or so. 

[Zakhar]

As a straight person... Imma stay in a corner, all quiet like. Safe from angering someone.

SO HOW ABOUT THOSE ROMANCES? BOY THAT BLACKWALL IS FURRY AND VIVIENNE IS... I DUNNO FRENCH?

[Ray561]

Let's not play the "We have it worse !" game. I'd say LGBT and people of lesser known sexuality deserve some representation.

LGB people have it in both Mass Effect 3 and DAI.

the only complaining I see form them is about a numbers game.

[Ceoldoren]

As a straight person... Imma stay in a corner, all quiet like. Safe from angering someone.

SO HOW ABOUT THOSE ROMANCES? BOY THAT BLACKWALL IS FURRY AND VIVIENNE IS... I DUNNO FRENCH?

Yes, Blackwall is gorgeous. 

 

If I'm not mistaken Viv has a british accent. So I dunno about the french part 

[Ceoldoren]

LGB people have it in both Mass Effect 3 and DAI.

the only complaining I see form them is about a numbers game.

We do, but we want an equal number. I don't think that's such an unfair thing to ask for.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

As a straight person... Imma stay in a corner, all quiet like. Safe from angering someone.

SO HOW ABOUT THOSE ROMANCES? BOY THAT BLACKWALL IS FURRY AND VIVIENNE IS... I DUNNO FRENCH?

Vivienne is actually from the Free Marches originally, I believe they said. Free Marches of Rivaini decent. lol  

[Zakhar]

Vivienne is actually from the Free Marches originally, I believe they said. Free Marches of Rivaini decent. lol  

Who acts all Orlesian. Talk about multicultural.

[HuldraDancer]

Since I could see either being an LI I'm slapping up a picture of them both (would have gone with flowers for both of them but I couldn't find a good one for Blackwall)

 

Edit: Zakhar just turned up a flower picture for Blackwall

 

Modifié par HuldraDancer, 03 septembre 2014 - 06:39 .

[Ray561]

We do, but we want an equal number. I don't think that's such an unfair thing to ask for.

It's not a numbers game.

 

I find the they have 1 more option than me complaint to be silly, Like you think Bio-ware is throwing you to the curve saying "Good Enough" I could see your frustration if the scale were tipped like DAO and the Mass Effect series as a hole.

 

Complaining that one group has one more option that us that means another is not begin treated equal is IMO silly.

[Zakhar]

Since I could see either being an LI I'm slapping up a picture of them both (would have gone with flowers for both of them but I couldn't find a good one for Blackwall)

 

 

[Ceoldoren]

It's not a numbers game.

 

I find the they have 1 more option than me complaint to be silly, Like you think Bio-ware is throwing you to the curve saying "Good Enough" I could see your frustration if the scale were tipped like DAO and the Mass Effect series as a hole.

 

Complaining that one group has one more option that us that means another is not begin treated equal is IMO silly.

They have one more option now. Theirs still another LI to go. And either lesbians or gays or both are getting the short end of the stick.

 

Not to mention we're talking about bioware's history with gay men as a whole. Not just DAI

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's not a numbers game.

 

I find the they have 1 more option than me complaint to be silly, Like you think Bio-ware is throwing you to the curve saying "Good Enough" I could see your frustration if the scale were tipped like DAO and the Mass Effect series as a hole.

 

Complaining that one group has one more option that us that means another is not begin treated equal is IMO silly.

It's not "silly". When specific groups always get less options, that's unfair. It's about quality and quantity, but our quality has very often been lacking in comparison to heterosexual options, as well. The heterosexual options tend to be the more plot heavy and the most developed. The options given to gay men tend to openly favor women, never favoring men. Quality and quantity have not favored us and it's not "silly" to want that to change.