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Because with the things he's seen and been through, 2 annulled circles, blood magic, demons, mage conspiracies taking good people he knew in two different cities, and all the crap magic and its practitioners have piled on the poor guy, I don't see him just getting over that in the short time between DA2 and Inquisition, even if the fans think he should so they can bone him.

It depends on how the writers decided to develop him though. I think it is possible to change during that time, considering the seeds of a possible change are present in DA2 as well.
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It seems he changed.

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Well, Isabela was pretty much the only marketed LI for DA 2 and you could go the whole game without recruiting her. Because of Cassandra leading the Inquisition, I have thought that she would be the one companion you can't get rid of, however. I think Vivienne is a mandatory recruit because of the party she throws you that you probably have to attend to progress the plot. We don't know if she's an LI or not though.

That's true, but Isabela is the reason the Qunari are in Kirkwall and the reason they attack in Act 2. Even if you don't recruit her, she's pretty important to the events of DA2. More so than either Merrill or Fenris. Anders is really the "main" LI of DA2, as far as plot involvement goes, though, imo. So, it's possible that it will be someone else, despite Cassandra's focus in marketing. 



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It comes down to personal preference I suppose. I dont like how fast and loose bioware is when tackling the issue of traumatizing events and PTSD, and how quickly and problem free characters just seem to get over it with a bit of player conversation magic. But Im in the minority compared to those looking to sexually intercourse characters rather then respect their personalities and preferences so whatevs.

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That's true, but Isabela is the reason the Qunari are in Kirkwall and the reason they attack in Act 2. Even if you don't recruit her, she's pretty important to the events of DA2. More so than either Merrill or Fenris. Anders is really the "main" LI of DA2, as far as plot involvement goes, though, imo. So, it's possible that it will be someone else, despite Cassandra's focus in marketing. 

 

If that's a continuing trend, I guess I'll keep on liking the non-main-plot-important LIs the best then. Maybe because they don't go around starting **** and giving you ultimatums. :lol:

 

 

It comes down to personal preference I suppose. I dont like how fast and loose bioware is when tackling the issue of traumatizing events and PTSD, and how quickly and problem free characters just seem to get over it with a bit of player conversation magic. But Im in the minority compared to those looking to sexually intercourse characters rather then respect their personalities and preferences so whatevs.

 

We are forced to respect their preferences because that's the only way to romance them (other than the rivalry thing I guess). I would prefer that every LI didn't need some time in the psych ward this go round. Hopefully there will be some variation in the emotionally-damaged levels since there are 8 LIs.


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Why would Cullen wouldn't romance a mage? He could be pretty changed from DA2, based on Gaider's response on tumblr of a fanmade dialogue between him and the PC.

 

Cullen's infatuation could be rekindled surely...

 


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People here seem to want everyone to bisexual and Inquisitor-sexual...Which totally does not make sense in any way...


Actually, that's not what's being said at all. I haven't read any further in the posts made overnight yet but I need to respond to this first.

What's being advocated is EQUAL options for players, whether they be straight, gay, or bi (with bi obviously having their pick from everyone). Heterosexual and homosexual characters are great. All we're asking for is to have an equal amount of choices.

Bioware has historically given straight males more options than any other demographic, and ten years ago that made sense.

But times are different now. Society is moving (slowly) toward acceptance of LGB peoples, and Bioware is one of the most progressive companies out there. We just want that reflected by giving people an equal amount of choices when it comes to romance.

Does that mean everyone has to be bi/player sexual? No, of course not. Straight guys have Cassandra, straight girls have Cullen, gay guys have Dorian, lesbians have Sera. That's great, and EQUAL. But now there's an imbalance in choices that, no matter what happens now, will remain imbalanced and skewed in favor of one orientation or another.

All we want is an equal number of choices. It doesn't matter if heterosexuality is more "common" in real life. This is a video game meant to target multiple groups of people, and the romance options should reflect that.

And that being said, I honestly can't complain with DA:I. Bioware has done a fantastic job giving choice to everyone. Yeah, it isn't equal, and that sucks. At least we're moving toward a day when they'll release an RPG with equal choices for everyone.
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It comes down to personal preference I suppose. I dont like how fast and loose bioware is when tackling the issue of traumatizing events and PTSD, and how quickly and problem free characters just seem to get over it with a bit of player conversation magic. But Im in the minority compared to those looking to sexually intercourse characters rather then respect their personalities and preferences so whatevs.

Well, I'm not interested in romancing him, and I think his development makes sense. First, he probably doesn't change his stance die to the PC's convo, and second, 10 years passed before DAO and DAI. It's not exactly a short time.
Though you're free to believe they changed him because they wanted to make him romanceable by every class, if you want.
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Cullen's infatuation could be rekindled surely...
 

We don't know if the Warden is in the game :lol:.

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Oh I really liked Zevran's romance. I hated him at first, but I warmed up to him later on. He's a pretty entertaining character.


I felt that Zevrans romance was well constructed, and well thought out.. allistars on the other hand: jreeked to much of Prince Charming IMO.

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If that's a continuing trend, I guess I'll keep on liking the non-main-plot-important LIs the best then. Maybe because they don't go around starting **** and giving you ultimatums. :lol:

Well, it's fine if you do like the less plot involved LIs. I've seen other people say they liked them because they're low key. I enjoy the more plot involved romances because it just ties the whole story together more so, for me, in my overall goals and the involvement of my partner in those goals. It's a perfectly understandable stance to just like the less involved characters for their personality or because you like that your character can get away from certain conflicts through them, though.  


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It comes down to personal preference I suppose. I dont like how fast and loose bioware is when tackling the issue of traumatizing events and PTSD, and how quickly and problem free characters just seem to get over it with a bit of player conversation magic. But Im in the minority compared to those looking to sexually intercourse characters rather then respect their personalities and preferences so whatevs.

 

Yes, truly king of the higher road.

 

Seriously, as mentioned before, Cullen has had ten years to work through his issues after the Circle. He even has character progress throughout DA2 to that end. Character progress that, I might point out, has **** all to do with Hawke or the player's influence. 


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Yes, truly king of the higher road.

 

Seriously, as mentioned before, Cullen has had ten years to work through his issues after the Circle. He even has character progress throughout DA2 to that end. Character progress that, I might point out, has **** all to do with Hawke or the player's influence. 

Not only that doesn't Cullen join the Inquisition Because he is a Mage sympathizer  and don't agree with the Knight Commanders he also doesn't seen to agree with Meredith actions and if I remember right fights along hawk at the end of DA2.


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Had another nightmare about Blackwall lol XD except this time when they announced him as a LI, they announced him as an ungated gay one because Dorian doesn't like elves and then Gaider put a blog post up with a list of the things he think will be shown / talked about next and right at the top was 'Viv / Varric romances - or the lack of' and cackling as he wrote it.

Really hope it gets announced soon. I won't be angry if the result is something I don't want (upset for a bit maybe but not angry) but when I know that we are so close to getting the last one revealed it's just frustrating. Once the last LI and the race gate have been revealed, I can pass the time to release by planning my inquisitors properly :D (can you tell I don't have a life? Lol)

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I think somewhere along the way people have forgotten that the romances in DAI are not created for them personally. This isn't DA match.com. A straight or gay romance isn't created for you to romance yourself. It's for your inquisitor to romance for cutscenes that probably don't even equal 5% of gameplay. That's not to say it's not a great part of the game, because it is one of my favourite parts, it deepens and develops character, but it's a small part, a portion of all the kinds of relationships you can have, and not a dating simulator for your.
Bioware not making Solas or Cassandra or Dorian bi is not a personal attack on your sexual orientation, denying you personally a chance of romance. They are still available as a romance option for your inquisitor if you choose to play as one they are available to, and yes, some people are not comfortable playing an opposite gender to their own, or a different sexual orientation, but that is your own feelings, and not down to Bioware to remedy.
And yes, playing a different race to romance someone is not like playing a different gender, but out of everyone who will play this game (with the BSN being a small minority) most will play as human, and only play once, therefore no, a race gated romance such as Solas' will not be open to the majority of players, but so too will other romances be unavailable.
I'm a small number of players that will play this game many times, and I will be playing each race, perhaps even different genders, though I still will not have the romance I wanted for my Inquisitor - Varric, who is not available at all in any way, but that's how it is, how he's been written, and that's got to be respected, even if it made me sad for my Cadash Inquisitor.

In terms of representation, yes, Bioware should represent equality, but the world is not equal, and I'm not talking about terms of fairness, I'm talking statistically. The world is not an equal split of genders and sexual orientation, there is no way, unless Bioware made everyone in a game a romance including NPC's, would everyone be represented fairly or in the real life terms people keep attaching to the game, and even then someone would declare being given unequal treatment. But we are still represented. In fact, as a hetero woman, other than playing as a hetero inquisitor, if I choose to do so, Cassandra is my only representation of such a woman like myself amongst my followers. But as a hetero woman in real life, I am not restricted to being that in a game. I can be anyone. Including races that don't exist. That is the point of a role playing game, in a fantasy universe, and whether people want to play outside the confines of their imaginations or comfort zones, that's up to them, and not Bioware's fault if you don't want to do that for whatever reasons.
The point is we have choices. Choices to play as who we want, choices as how we play, and choices of whom to romance, even if that's 'limited' to two or, in special circumstances, more, on a playthrough.
Just wait until the game comes out before declaring certain romances will be lesser or not to your taste, we don't know our companions yet, we cannot judge them just by looks, you might be pleasantly surprised - in fact I'm sure you will, and if you're not, well, you can't please everyone, no matter what.
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Definitely, the other three are all still very important. But Zevran was barely even relevant in his own game. 

 

I'd say DA:O Leliana wasn't as important either in her own game.  It's only with DA2 and the writers handwaving her being able to die in DAO and vaulting her up to be the Right Hand of the Divine/the ominous Nightingale that made her incredibly relevant in the world of Thedas, and incredibly relevant in all the plots happening at this point in history.  It all comes down to how you write for a character, and how you write them into relevance.  Morrigan has the ear of the Empress, Leliana is the Right Hand of the Divine, Alistair is potentially the king of neighboring Ferelden.  Writing Zevran as Prince of Crows, or the ultimate Shadow Broker of Antiva, are but a few of the many easy ins to relevance, imo.  Inquisition is about dealing with various factions, having Crows as led by Zevran as a faction could have been plausible.  Having Zevran as an intelligence broker, or even as one of Leliana's trusted field assassins would've worked too.  Many things can be done if they are interested in writing for him.  I just hope we see him again someday and he's leveled up in importance.  


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We don't know if the Warden is in the game :lol:.

 

The point I had in mind is that Cullen previously did not have a gate against female mages,

even if he feels guilty about it...



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. . .
In terms of representation, yes, Bioware should represent equality, but the world is not equal, and I'm not talking about terms of fairness, I'm talking statistically. The world is not an equal split of genders and sexual orientation. . .

Okay, except DA:I isn't real life. There's no reason to adhere to the constraints of real life statistical sexuality. I'm not going to get into how that's flawed in and of itself, but yeah. This is a video game, and a fantasy one at that. We play video games to escape our own lives for a little while. 


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Okay, except DA:I isn't real life. There's no reason to adhere to the constraints of real life statistical sexuality. I'm not going to get into how that's flawed in and of itself, but yeah. This is a video game, and a fantasy one at that. We play video games to escape our own lives for a little while. 

The point I, and several others have been trying to make for a while now. Thank you.



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The point I, and several others have been trying to make for a while now. Thank you.

No probs (though anyone I'm debating won't listen anyway).

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It depends on how the writers decided to develop him though. I think it is possible to change during that time, considering the seeds of a possible change are present in DA2 as well.
I based my theory on this:http://dgaider.tumbl...d-and-evil-come
It seems he changed.

That's a really cool piece of dialouge by the way.


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The point isn't to replicate real world estimates of LGB percentages. We can't even reliably guess what that is. The point is to offer LGB players and those that just enjoy LGB content an equal shot at enjoying the romance feature.

 

The LGB content is not even something just LGB people use. I've seen straight men and women say on the forums that they enjoy the LGB content, sometimes even exclusively choosing same-sex relationships. I've seen straight posters actually say the LGB content in Bioware's games actually changed the way they viewed gay issues in the real world, for the better.

 

The LGB content is extremely important, this is something that joining the BSN and hearing user stories has really convinced me of. There's little else in the games that can have such an impact on people's lives. After hearing stories from straight people saying that Bioware helped them accept LGB people, or that LGB people were able to explore their sexuality in that safe way and accept themselves, I can't brush it off as just "a small, unimportant part of the game". It's a part of the game that's had major impact on people's real lives and I think people don't understand and marginalize that.


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*snip*

Thanks. I would have typed something to that effect if I hadn't just woken up. Hahaha

And yeah, any statistics on sexual orientation is based entirely on people's stated orientation, which is incredibly unreliable. Not that that matters for DA:I, but yeah.


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I don't understand this talk about main romances. Was there those in previous DA games? Maybe Alistair and Morrigan in DAO cause they had more closure? No idea about DA2 though.



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This isn't DA match.com. A straight or gay romance isn't created for you to romance yourself...

 

Actually, I'd sign-up to that service  :D

 

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Actually, I'd sign-up to that service  :D

 

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OMFG, Yes pls. Hahahaha This is so much yes squeezed into one image.  :lol: