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[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'd honestly be disappointed in Mark, Mike, and David if Vivienne were to be a straight romance option. (And race-gating to human is basically equivalent to not race-gating at all.) For all the talk that David has been putting out about inclusion and fairness, it doesn't seem right that the consistently favored group is favored yet again (something David has even specifically called out). That would be 3 options for straight characters and 2 options for gays—hardly the relative equity in choice that I've perhaps foolishly believed was a goal for this team.

I'd be comfortable with Vivienne being bisexual (I know she has some great female fans, and I'd be thrilled that they finally have things going their way a bit), as then it would give relative parity to lesbians (depending who the last gated romance is). (And truth be told, I'd have more interest in romancing Vivienne than I ever would in Blackwall, though I think fairness here is currently more important to me.)

I don't consider Iron Bull to be an "honest" option, so I'd still be a bit put out that there's only one for gay guys, but I guess those are limitations we should be used to by now (and I stick with David anyway, so I already know which two romances are going to be the best for me).

Blackwall being straight wouldn't necessarily bother me (especially if the second gated romance was also one of the straight males). I'd be disappointed for the people who wanted to romance him with a male character, but I don't find much objection with the idea that female characters get 3 choices (assuming the other gated romance is as exacting as Solas') while everyone else gets 2.

Straight women would get twice as many options if Blackwall was straight, which I find to be pretty ridiculous. But I guess you're saying 3 because you don't count Iron Bull? Why is that? I'm not an Iron Bull fan myself, but I recognize that it's just personal issues and opinions about the character that makes me personally not want to romance him. A lot of people really like his concept. I'm not sure what context we're working from here.

 

I want everyone to get as many options as possible, so I would definitely be happy if Vivienne were bisexual. I want her to be bisexual if she's a romance, definitely. I won't be at all shocked if she's straight and gated, like Solas is, though. It honestly seems like the most likely scenario to me, at the moment.   

[Icy Magebane]

She's the face model for Miranda.

That would explain it then!  rofl... 

[Chanda]

I'd honestly be disappointed in Mark, Mike, and David if Vivienne were to be a straight romance option. (And race-gating to human is basically equivalent to not race-gating at all.) For all the talk that David has been putting out about inclusion and fairness, it doesn't seem right that the consistently favored group is favored yet again (something David has even specifically called out). That would be 3 options for straight characters and 2 options for gays—hardly the relative equity in choice that I've perhaps foolishly believed was a goal for this team.

I'd be comfortable with Vivienne being bisexual (I know she has some great female fans, and I'd be thrilled that they finally have things going their way a bit), as then it would give relative parity to lesbians (depending who the last gated romance is). (And truth be told, I'd have more interest in romancing Vivienne than I ever would in Blackwall, though I think fairness here is currently more important to me.)

I don't consider Iron Bull to be an "honest" option, so I'd still be a bit put out that there's only one for gay guys, but I guess those are limitations we should be used to by now (and I stick with David anyway, so I already know which two romances are going to be the best for me).

Blackwall being straight wouldn't necessarily bother me (especially if the second gated romance was also one of the straight males). I'd be disappointed for the people who wanted to romance him with a male character, but I don't find much objection with the idea that female characters get 3 choices (assuming the other gated romance is as exacting as Solas') while everyone else gets 2.

So a gay character's options are "gay mage" or two versions of "hey, why not?" (not coincidentally, the two bisexual males).

I find that rather unappealing, honestly.

I actually wasn't considering what the gay character's options were. I was considering what would make Blackwall fall in love freely with anyone. If I were in his shoes and had always devoted myself to my duty as a Warden, and suddenly I decided that I wanted to share myself with someone before going off to die in the deep roads for my calling, I don't think I'd be very picky about who I loved in regards to race or gender, as long as we shared the same values and got along well. Race and gender wouldn't play a part in my choices (if I were Blackwall) if I had a short time to live and was attracted to someone because of their ideals.

[BabyFratelli]

So far every prediction I ever made romance wise except for Cullen's straightness was wrong. What's the unpopular opinion? If I advocate for that it'll probably end up being untrue for the better.

[Tamyn]

Miranda got like 40% of the romances in ME2 all to herself, so I think it is actually fair to say that a good portion of men would romance another character like her.  

 

 

So someone with a camera glued to their butt?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

So someone with a camera glued to their butt?

Well, I'm not saying they have good motivations, I'm just saying.. the numbers are what they are. lol 

[Kimarous]

Kinda sad about the Varric nomance. I mean, I'm not entirely surprised, but that kills any chance for a mwarf fwarf relationship.

 

Not sure how I feel about Solas's inclusion. On the one hand, he's one of the few characters I hadn't even considered from a romance perspective, but on the other hand, I like that there's at least an option for a melf felf relationship, even if it's only for femquisitors.

[Tamyn]

Well, I'm not saying they have good motivations, I'm just saying.. the numbers are what they are. lol 

 

 

I'm just saying, I think that was a higher draw than her "sparkling" personality.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm just saying, I think that was a higher draw than her "sparkling" personality.

I don't doubt it was a factor. Haha. 

[devSin]

Straight women would get twice as many options if Blackwall was straight, which I find to be pretty ridiculous.

If the restriction was such that one of the other male characters would also only romance one race (or just not elves), then any female character could only ever access 3 romances, unless I'm forgetting somebody. If they're an elf, they get Solas, Iron Bull, and Cullen or Blackwall; if they're not, they get Blackwall and/or Cullen and Iron Bull.

I'd prefer if everyone had the same number of options, of course (and it's always been the system I've advocated), but this still seems fair enough to me. There are technically four options, sure, but only three will ever be available to them in any one playthrough, while everyone else will always have two.

[LiaraShepard]

If the restriction was such that one of the other male characters would also only romance one race (or just not elves), then any female character could only ever access 3 romances, unless I'm forgetting somebody. If they're an elf, they get Solas, Iron Bull, and Cullen or Blackwall; if they're not, they get Blackwall and/or Cullen and Iron Bull.

I'd prefer if everyone had the same number of options, of course (and it's always been the system I've advocated), but this still seems fair enough to me. There are technically four options, sure, but only three will ever be available to them in any one playthrough, while everyone else will always have two.

 

But overall, straight females would have far more options to choose from and a higher replay value. 

[Sylvianus]

Can we stop assuming that people liked Miranda because of her butt or Just her look ? That is like saying that people want cullen because he is pretty or solas because of tight pants.

[OracleofWar]

You can't look at the equality of romances in terms of gender splits, because it's not as simple as (currently) four male LI's and three female, it's dependant on what race you play as too. At the moment, regardless of unconfirmed gates and LI's, if I play as a straight female human, my Inquisitor has three options, not four.
If you start bringing in suspected LI's and gates, my theory being Cullen could be gated against dwarves and Qunari, and Blackwall is an LI for all races and perhaps both genders, then, for example, rolling as a straight dwarf female gives you two LI options, as does a straight female Qunari. When Iron Bull was gated, against dwarves no doubt, straight female dwarves only had one option.
So, basically, it's not as simple as saying 'it's not equal having five male LI's and only three female' because no playthrough (except maybe a straight female elf) will have every possible LI available to them.
Of course Bioware has blindsided most theories so far, they're really surprising everyone with how the LI's are playing out!

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If the restriction was such that one of the other male characters would also only romance one race (or just not elves), then any female character could only ever access 3 romances, unless I'm forgetting somebody. If they're an elf, they get Solas, Iron Bull, and Cullen or Blackwall; if they're not, they get Blackwall and/or Cullen and Iron Bull.

I'd prefer if everyone had the same number of options, of course (and it's always been the system I've advocated), but this still seems fair enough to me. There are technically four options, sure, but only three will ever be available to them in any one playthrough, while everyone else will always have two.

I don't see it as the same, personally. To me, race is far less important than balancing real world options, like gender and sexuality. I don't really believe many people would be happy with 2 options over 4 just because they had to pick another race. It's not the same as having to change an aspect that you identify with in real life. I still see the scenario as straight women getting twice as many options as everyone else. 

[LiaraShepard]

I don't see it as the same, personally. To me, race is far less important than balancing real world options, like gender and sexuality. I don't really believe many people would be happy with 2 options over 4 just because they had to pick another race. It's not the same as having to change an aspect that you identify with in real life. I still see the scenario as straight women getting twice as many options as everyone else. 

 

so true.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Can we stop assume that people liked Miranda because of her butt or Just her look ? That is like saying that people want cullen because he is pretty or solas because of tight pants

For what it's worth, as a gay guy with literally no interest in where the camera focused on her, I still liked Miranda well enough as a character. As far as the female characters went in ME2, I would have probably opted with her and it's not related to appearance. I dislike Tali because I supported Legion and the Geth, and Jack has that overly aggressive sort of personality that I can't gel with.   

 

But if we're comparing to Inquisition characters, I'd have to go with Vivienne.   

[devSin]

But overall, straight females would have far more options to choose from and a higher replay value.

Perhaps. Though I don't know that's such a bad thing (I mean, we're talking one extra replay to get that romance option that wasn't available with the first race).

I'd prefer it not exclude lesbians the way it does, but I guess it's going to be what it's going to be. If Vivienne is straight, straight men and women get up to 3 options (and if one of the females is race-gated to humans, straight men basically get a full 3 options); gay men and lesbians get their two options (and this is where I'll start getting annoyed with BioWare). If she's bisexual, then lesbians move to having up to 3 options (gay men remain at 2). If Blackwall is straight, then things get weird depending on the race-gating, but my guess would be everyone has 2 options and straight women always have a race-dependent third. If he's bisexual, lesbians and straight men have 2 options while straight women and gay men probably have 3 options.

And if the race-gating goes to Dorian or Sera, then we're all screwed.

[Maria Caliban]

So far every prediction I ever made romance wise except for Cullen's straightness was wrong. What's the unpopular opinion? If I advocate for that it'll probably end up being untrue for the better.

What were your original predictions?

[Panda]

Can we stop assume that people liked Miranda because of her butt or Just her look ? That is like saying that people want cullen because he is pretty or solas because of tight pants

 

Well that Cullen comment pops out everytime when people try to think why people like him.. as fan of his I have heard that one so much. ^^;

 

I think it's a joke for some since Miranda's butts screentime is pretty long, lol. But I get that as well, of cource people romance Miranda other reasons than her bottom.

[LiaraShepard]

Perhaps. Though I don't know that's such a bad thing (I mean, we're talking one extra replay to get that romance option that wasn't available with the first race).

I'd prefer it not exclude lesbians the way it does, but I guess it's going to be what it's going to be. If Vivienne is straight, straight men and women get up to 3 options (and if one of the females is race-gated to humans, straight men basically get a full 3 options); gay men and lesbians get their two options. If she's bisexual, then lesbians move to having up to 3 options (gay men remain at 2). If Blackwall is straight, then things get weird depending on the race-gating, but my guess would be everyone has 2 options and straight women always have a race-dependent third.

And if the race-gating goes to Dorian or Sera, then we're all screwed.

 

I wouldn't be content if straight males and females got three options ans gays and lesbians only two, because it's always this way....

[Chanda]

For the record, I could care less about Solas's pants. I didn't like him at first because he's scrawny (as most elves are) and he's bald. But he seems like a really intriguing character, he has a nice voice, and I want to know him better.

[Augustei]

I liked Miranda because she was an Ice Queen, and they're awesome.....But then Bioware turned her into the Ice Cream Queen, which was not cool.

[Momiji.mii]

I like both Vivienne and Blackwall equally, so I'm looking forward to the remaining LI no matter whom it is. But more than anything, I think it'd be cool, from a story/companion perspective to have two male or female companions hook up during the course of the game. We've had a few hinted couples in previous Bioware games, but only straight ones so far. Because of that, I'd love to see Blackwall hook up with either Dorian or Iron Bull, or Josephine and Sera or Vivienne if unromanced. 

 

So, fingers crossed that something new and exciting like this will happen.  

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

My final line up

 

Cassandra- Male Only (all races)

Cullen- Female Only (all races)

Sera- Female Only (all races)

Dorian- Male Only (all races)

Iron Bull- Bi (all races)

Josephine- Bi (all races)

Solas- Female Only (Elves Only)

Vivienne- Bi (Humans Only)

 

Bioware said the choices would be uneven but never said the gender ratio would be uneven so I see it being 4 males and 4 females

 

Chioces

 

Male Straight Humans- 3, Male Gay Humans- 2

Female Straight Humans- 2, Female Gay Humans- 3

 

Male Straight Elves- 2, Male Gay Elves- 2

Female Straight Elves- 3, Female Gay Elves- 2

 

Male Straight Dwarves- 2, Male Gay Dwarves- 2

Female Straight Dwarves- 2, Female Gay Dwarves- 2

 

Male Straight Qunari- 2, Male Gay Qunari- 2

Female Straight Qunari- 2, Female Gay Qunari- 2

 

 

Choices are already known to be uneven and if it ends up like this Straight Male Humans, Gay Female Humans and Straight Female Elves will have the most choices at 3 while every other combination will have 2 each. 

[Chanda]

Wouldn't it be cool if Bioware went "Surprise! Vivienne and Blackwall are both romances, enjoy!"