Meh. I'm more bothered by not having a choice in LIs than other groups having 1 more LI than me. I don't see the need to get angry or frustrated about that. It'd be nice to have the same amount but as long as I have options and everyone else doesn't have an obscene amount more than me I'm good. *shrug*
I'm on the it's unfair when one group get zero or one options to someone else's 2+ but something like this? I just meh.
I agree with you 100% that we need to play the game to really understand the whole scope of the romance features. I look at it this way:
There is quality and there is quantity and both are important.
If I have more "worse" options, that's not a comfort. If I have less "better" options, that might be a comfort depending on how many less. If I have less "worse" options, then it's really an issue.
I think that right now, we can only discuss the quantity aspect. But lace up your boots because once the game comes out, I expect the second half of this discussion to commence: the "My options are worse than yours" argument.
Remind me to not come onto the forum for a good couple months after release.
Remind me to not come onto the forum for a good couple months after release.
You'll be doing anything else except playing DA:I after release? ;D
Meh. I'm more bothered by not having a choice in LIs than other groups having 1 more LI than me. I don't see the need to get angry or frustrated about that. It'd be nice to have the same amount but as long as I have options and everyone else doesn't have an obscene amount more than me I'm good. *shrug*
Personally the romances are a large part of the game for me, they give my characters a sense of humanity I don't find in any other series.
I agree with you 100% that we need to play the game to really understand the whole scope of the romance features. I look at it this way:
There is quality and there is quantity and both are important.
If I have more "worse" options, that's not a comfort. If I have less "better" options, that might be a comfort depending on how many less. If I have less "worse" options, then it's really an issue.
I think that right now, we can only discuss the quantity aspect. But lace up your boots because once the game comes out, I expect the second half of this discussion to commence: the "My options are worse than yours" argument.
It's all subjective, but I hope it all equals out in the end. I want LGBT players to feel that they got a the same value out of DAI as I hope to.
I told myself I'm gonna stay out of this, but here. Just a few thoughts...
Firstly, I apologize if I seem heated and berating, because that isn't my intention at all.
Anyway, onwards. Straight men have ALWAYS had more options in EVERY Bioware game (there may be the odd one or two where straight females have won on that, but I can't remember at the moment).
If an inequality must exist in DA:I, which it does at this point because of this crazy Solus stuff, it would be nice if gay players could be the ones that don't finish last in terms of options. We don't want inequality (at least most of us, or at least I don't), but if there has to be some in terms of the number of LIs maybe we could have more for once?
It's not about reparations or punishing straight people. That you believe having less options as a straight male is punishment is telling, honestly. That's how gays have felt throughout all the Bioware games. Don't you see that?
Awesome post. Thanks for this!
Sidenote: The only game where straight males didn't get the most options is DA 2 and some people discount that because Sebastian was DLC. If we only count the vanilla game, then there has been uneven options in 9 games and straight men got the most options in all 9, straight women got the least options in zero, lesbians got the least options in 7 of them, and gay men got the least options in all 9.
You'll be doing anything else except playing DA:I after release? ;D
True. At least DA:I doesn't judge my life choices! ;~; ...Well, hypothetically. Vivienne might have some rude things to say about my choice of clothing.
If someone shows actually enjoyment in the fact that straight men might get less options this time around, then that person is not a very good person. I certainly wouldn't be happy at their expense.
There's a difference between being happy that you aren't the one to get less options and being happy that a specific group is getting less options.
Yes, indeed there is. I think we're actually on the same side. You can't deny that there has certainly been a great deal of the latter floating around though. There's a reason Allan included a warning in the OP of the last Romance thread to curb this kind of behavior.
Personally the romances are a large part of the game for me, they give my characters a sense of humanity I don't find in any other series.
Which is why I usually prefer to have a choice (usually between characters different enough that they can go with different mindsets). And yeah they're a nice touch.
But I wouldn't say they're a large part of the game to me. I prefer the character creation and the NPC interaction with the PC and other NPCs.
I advocate the approach of making the companions and NPC's like the advisers with set sexualities first and then working the romance options around them.
I also want to see bisexual, homosexual or lesbian companions who are not LI's at all.
However, this approach will only result in anyone other than straight males or female having more options if the majority of companions happen to be LGBT.
Looking at a set of nine companions you'd need at least five of them to be LGBT in order to give either gay male or gay females the most LI's, and have two thirds of them to be LGBT if it's to meet my second criteria of also having a LGBT companion who isn't an LI.
If you are just creating characters without LI distributions in mind that is incredibly unlikely to happen, even if you completely ignore real life demographics when creating your characters.
Having major NPC's like the advisers also be LI's makes it more plausible, but the number of NPC's who can have the same word budget as companions is very limited. Even Inquisition only has three, and it's one of the highest scope Bioware games in a long time.
The other options are to give the group that's always had more in the past more options or the group that already has more. That seems even less ideal.
There's no pleasant way to go about this. Bioware made the road and we can choose to walk on it or not, but we can't remake the road.
If they are doing it because there they believe there is more demand(based on their projected audience) then that may not be ideal but it may be understandable imo. I wanted the DA2 approach so all this gating road is unpleasant to me.
True. At least DA:I doesn't judge my life choices! ;~; ...Well, hypothetically. Vivienne might have some rude things to say about my choice of clothing.
I want to be Vivienne's dress up doll. 8D And I want Varric to make up all kinds of gossip about me.
Awesome post. Thanks for this!
Sidenote: The only game where straight males didn't get the most options is DA 2 and some people discount that because Sebastian was DLC. If we only count the vanilla game, then there has been uneven options in 9 games and straight men got the most options in all 9, straight women got the least options in zero, lesbians got the least options in 7 of them, and gay men got the least options in all 9.
Thanks for clearing up the numbers. I appreciate that. :]
So, on the topic of DA:I romances, this is what I'mma say to Iron Bull when I meet him:
I want to be Vivienne's dress up doll. 8D And I want Varric to make up all kinds of gossip about me.
I fear for my safety as Vivienne's dress-up doll. I vastly prefer drinking wine with Josephine and going starry eyed at Blackwall's Warden stories.
Thanks for clearing up the numbers. I appreciate that. :]
So, on the topic of DA:I romances, this is what I'mma say to Iron Bull when I meet him:
Genius!
I like both Vivienne and Blackwall... I don't know who to root for. If one is accepted, I'll be sad for the other. D= Can't win.
I like both Vivienne and Blackwall... I don't know who to root for.
Vivienne will probably be more insulted if you don't root for her.
I agree with you 100% that we need to play the game to really understand the whole scope of the romance features. I look at it this way:
There is quality and there is quantity and both are important.
If I have more "worse" options, that's not a comfort. If I have less "better" options, that might be a comfort depending on how many less. If I have less "worse" options, then it's really an issue.
I think that right now, we can only discuss the quantity aspect. But lace up your boots because once the game comes out, I expect the second half of this discussion to commence: the "My options are worse than yours" argument.
Still here....... 
That solve's it then no discussing romance numbers till the game is out.
Still here.......
That solve's it then no discussing romance numbers till the game is out.
Sounds like an absolutely marvelous idea!
Dunno who else I'd make. I only planned one Inquisitor when I learned Josephine was bi and open to all races. I just don't feel comfortable planning more without knowing it all.
I hope Cassandra doesn't treat me like Regalyan
Still here.......
That solve's it then no discussing romance numbers till the game is out.
Screw it. As soon as the game's out, I'm gone from the forum. BYE! ♥
Vivienne will probably be more insulted if you don't root for her.
Vivienne: - 50 approval
Noooo!
I agree with you 100% that we need to play the game to really understand the whole scope of the romance features. I look at it this way:
There is quality and there is quantity and both are important.
If I have more "worse" options, that's not a comfort. If I have less "better" options, that might be a comfort depending on how many less. If I have less "worse" options, then it's really an issue.
I think that right now, we can only discuss the quantity aspect. But lace up your boots because once the game comes out, I expect the second half of this discussion to commence: the "My options are worse than yours" argument.
Hmmm, you do have a point here.......
I still want Viv bi or gay tho.. because i luv that ice queen.
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