I didn't know Anders' sexuality was changed. I thought he was always bi.
In any case, I change characters' sexuality all the time. In one story, I have a character who is gay; in another story, I use the same character and he's straight. Unless it's related to narrative circumstance, sexuality really has nothing to do with character.
I didn't know Anders' sexuality was changed. I thought he was always bi.
In any case, I change characters' sexuality all the time. In one story, I have a character who is gay; in another story, I use the same character and he's straight. Unless it's related to narrative circumstance, sexuality really has nothing to do with character.
Me too, some of the banter he has with Nathaniel always came across as flirting to me.
I didn't know Anders' sexuality was changed. I thought he was always bi.
In any case, I change characters' sexuality all the time. In one story, I have a character who is gay; in another story, I use the same character and he's straight. Unless it's related to narrative circumstance, sexuality really has nothing to do with character.
many writers would not see it that way.
If that's the case why are Sara and Dorian gay why is cass straight it was the writer choice, just because you can do it dose not mean other can.
I don't see how straight Anders is worth more than bisexual Anders simply because his attraction to women may be more integrated.
According to DG Anders was always bisexual. Whether that's true or not, we have to take him at his word.
I don't see how straight Anders is worth more than bisexual Anders simply because his attraction to women may be more integrated.
I didn't say that, I said it seemed like he was intended to be straight and then changed later. And I found his reasons for being revealed as bi were pretty flimsy. Especially since they're not even mentioned to a female Hawke.
That's my personal opinion on the matter. Feel free to disagree.
Especially since they're not even mentioned to a female Hawke.
But why should it be mentioned to a female Hawke?
According to DG Anders was always bisexual. Whether that's true or not, we have to take him at his word.
He could have been in the closet. Although that's odd since no other DA character has ever kept that a secret...
But why should it be mentioned to a female Hawke?
Well, he was with this man at some point. You'd think he'd mention that to anyone when he started flirting shortly after his death.
Well, he was with this man at some point. You'd think he'd mention that to anyone when he started flirting shortly after his death.
Merrill made no mentioned that she's into girls when I romanced her with Dude Hawke. Do Bisexuals really need to advertise their bisexuality?
I didn't say that, I said it seemed like he was intended to be straight and then changed later. And I found his reasons for being revealed as bi were pretty flimsy. Especially since they're not even mentioned to a female Hawke.
That's my personal opinion on the matter. Feel free to disagree.
I don't think Anders suffered much at all. His reasons for being revealed as bi? It's not like people need an excuse to be bisexual. You don't need a reason, you just are. Anders can just be bisexual without even having had any prior relationships with men. This is probably the case a great deal of real life bisexual people - they may have attraction to the same gender, but may not have had the chance to be with them yet.
I think there's greater benefit from "changing" a character's orienation than there is detriment. If we're going to say Anders is an example, at worst his relationship with Karl isn't mentioned to female Hawke. But all the while, he's available for male player characters, which is valuable for a lot of players.
Well, he was with this man at some point. You'd think he'd mention that to anyone when he started flirting shortly after his death.
I thought it was exactly the point. Like, he doesn't have to mention it to fHawke. He can just start flirting right away, because why the hell not (I'll leave the whole stupidity of the situation off topic).
But with a man he needs to be clear first, no? It's not that common to just flirt with a man you've just met, even in DA.
Also, yes, his banter in Awakening was flirtatious sometimes, so it's not like he suddenly turned out bi.
Well, he was with this man at some point. You'd think he'd mention that to anyone when he started flirting shortly after his death.
I agree with that. I was so confused the first time I played DA2. You have the cutscene where Karl dies, and it's kind of obvious that they're together. And the next time you speak to Anders he's all "Hello, pretty lady!" I thought I missed a conversation or something. It made so much more sense after I saw the conversation he has with male Hawke.
Merrill made no mentioned that she's into girls when I romanced her with Dude Hawke. Do Bisexuals really need to advertise their bisexuality?
Merrill had no reason to, and it's not about Anders advertising that he's bisexual. It's about mentioning the fact that his ex just died and now he's flirting with someone he's known a few days at best. You'd think he'd be like "Hey, I'm kind of sad right now. Don't really want to flirt." But I think this is more a problem with writing then Anders sexuality.
many writers would not see it that way.
If that's the case why are Sara and Dorian gay why is cass straight it was the writer choice, just because you can do it dose not mean other can.
Well not all writers have the same artistic vision 
When it comes to gay characters in video games, we are dealing with something outside the game itself though. We are dealing with representation, and that is really important. Sad as I am to lose the all bi LI option, it is heartwarming to know that so many gaymers are thrilled to finally see a gay and lesbian romance in a DA game. That is worth it to me.
Narratively speaking, there appears to be a reason to make Dorian gay. It enhances his personal story in a way that being straight or bi wouldn't. (It also evidently means a lot to his writer to make him gay, which isn't nothing.)
It obviously works for this particular story for certain characters to be straight or gay. That doesn't mean they couldn't be written differently in a different story and still be just as good a character.
Merrill made no mentioned that she's into girls when I romanced her with Dude Hawke. Do Bisexuals really need to advertise their bisexuality?
To be fair, Merrill never mentioned she was into either gender(citation needed). I never romanced the poor thing. Found her cutesy charm annoying.
Well not all writers have the same artistic vision
When it comes to gay characters in video games, we are dealing with something outside the game itself though. We are dealing with representation, and that is really important. Sad as I am to lose the all bi LI option, it is heartwarming to know that so many gaymers are thrilled to finally see a gay and lesbian romance in a DA game. That is worth it to me.
Narratively speaking, there appears to be a reason to make Dorian gay. It enhances his personal story in a way that being straight or bi wouldn't. (It also evidently means a lot to his writer to make him gay, which isn't nothing.)
It obviously works for this particular story for certain characters to be straight or gay. That doesn't mean they couldn't be written differently in a different story and still be just a good a character.
They don't need a reason to make someone gay. They can just be gay. But with an already established character it can be a bit strange for this to come out of left field. Then again, Anders had no reason to mention his sexuality to the Warden, so he could very well have been BI. I dunno, I'm probably wrong on this whole thing.
Well not all writers have the same artistic vision
When it comes to gay characters in video games, we are dealing with something outside the game itself though. We are dealing with representation, and that is really important. Sad as I am to lose the all bi LI option, it is heartwarming to know that so many gaymers are thrilled to finally see a gay and lesbian romance in a DA game. That is worth it to me.
Narratively speaking, there appears to be a reason to make Dorian gay. It enhances his personal story in a way that being straight or bi wouldn't. (It also evidently means a lot to his writer to make him gay, which isn't nothing.)
It obviously works for this particular story for certain characters to be straight or gay. That doesn't mean they couldn't be written differently in a different story and still be just as good a character.
the same can be said for the rest of the cast then and Solas the first heterosexual Elev we have had in the DA games
Merrill had no reason to, and it's not about Anders advertising that he's bisexual. It's about mentioning the fact that his ex just died and now he's flirting with someone he's known a few days at best. You'd think he'd be like "Hey, I'm kind of sad right now. Don't really want to flirt." But I think this is more a problem with writing then Anders sexuality.
Maybe Ander's more comfortable mentioning his relationship with Karl to a man to a woman, who knows? All the romances had differences based on what gender Hawke was. Merrill's romance scene in particular has a different flavor for F!Hawke than for M!Hawke.
Merrill had no reason to, and it's not about Anders advertising that he's bisexual. It's about mentioning the fact that his ex just died and now he's flirting with someone he's known a few days at best. You'd think he'd be like "Hey, I'm kind of sad right now. Don't really want to flirt." But I think this is more a problem with writing then Anders sexuality.
Yeah, it seems odd for him to never reveal to female Hawke that Karl was his lover. I'm not saying that he needs to bring it up immediately, or anything. But I always felt as if it was conspicuously missing from his dialogue with a romanced female Hawke.
Of course, I always also had a issue with the fact that Hawke, regardless of gender, could flirt with Anders immediately after killing Karl. Even if female Hawke didn't know that Karl was his ex-lover, we at least know that he was a close friend. It felt a little tacky to be all, "Hey stud", right as Anders was dealing with this traumatic experience.
Yeah, it seems odd for him to never reveal to female Hawke that Karl was his lover. I'm not saying that he needs to bring it up immediately, or anything. But I always felt as if it was conspicuously missing from his dialogue with a romanced female Hawke.
Of course, I always also had a issue with the fact that Hawke, regardless of gender, could flirt with Anders immediately after killing Karl. Even if female Hawke didn't know that Karl was his ex-lover, we at least know that he was a close friend. It felt a little tacky to be all, "Hey stud", right as Anders was dealing with this traumatic experience.
Yeah, again I think this is more an issue with writing than Anders sexuality. It really should've been mentioned no matter what.
They don't need a reason to make someone gay. They can just be gay. But with an already established character it can be a bit strange for this to come out of left field. Then again, Anders had no reason to mention his sexuality to the Warden, so he could very well have been BI. I dunno, I'm probably wrong on this whole thing.
Anders has confused a lot of people because I think he was implemented in a way that creates dissonance because it's not how we expect a bisexual character to act. We've been conditioned by media to expect a bisexual character to explicitly state in no uncertain terms that they are bisexual. Otherwise, people just assume they are straight or gay. With Anders, because his "flirting" with Nathaniel and teasing of Oghren was really vague, many people just assumed that he's "default straight" because there was no explicit evidence otherwise. Then, in DA 2, he "comes out" as bisexual and people have to readjust their schema. They had put Anders in the "straight" pile and now they have to move him. So people want an explanation as to why they have to do this.
I'm not blaming the people who think this way. It's how we've been conditioned, so it's natural (well, not natural, but understandable?). However, it's the people who continue to argue that he was never bisexual at all because the game didn't provide concrete proof, even after being told that this isn't really how it works; these people I kind of blame. Not that I'm saying that you are one of those people, because you are clearly not.
If anything, I find Anders' situation fascinating because it's what many of us want for our characters: to have their sexuality just be another characteristic that's not given this tremendous weight. But when it does happen in a way that's fairly realistic, people have issues with it. I think it's an interesting thing to watch.
Yeah, it seems odd for him to never reveal to female Hawke that Karl was his lover. I'm not saying that he needs to bring it up immediately, or anything. But I always felt as if it was conspicuously missing from his dialogue with a romanced female Hawke.
Of course, I always also had a issue with the fact that Hawke, regardless of gender, could flirt with Anders immediately after killing Karl. Even if female Hawke didn't know that Karl was his ex-lover, we at least know that he was a close friend. It felt a little tacky to be all, "Hey stud", right as Anders was dealing with this traumatic experience.
Exactly. If it wasn't for these one or two changed lines of dialogue I doubt the whole "playersexuality" thing would have ever come up.
Anders feels like he had been retconned, so that Bioware could go with the "everyone is bi" approach, but they weren't expecting the playersexuality backlash, and backtracked by saying "Anders was always bisexual" and "Anders and Karl were a thing regardless of whether you played a male or female Hawke.
Now, i'm not saying that this is the case, but that's certainly how it looks from the outside.
Yeah, it seems odd for him to never reveal to female Hawke that Karl was his lover. I'm not saying that he needs to bring it up immediately, or anything. But I always felt as if it was conspicuously missing from his dialogue with a romanced female Hawke.
Of course, I always also had a issue with the fact that Hawke, regardless of gender, could flirt with Anders immediately after killing Karl. Even if female Hawke didn't know that Karl was his ex-lover, we at least know that he was a close friend. It felt a little tacky to be all, "Hey stud", right as Anders was dealing with this traumatic experience.
Yeah, it's almost as bad as Sarcastic!Hawke's inappropriate joke to the Viscount after Saemus died. Only not funny at all.
I agree that it's an issue of writing, but I absolutely disagree that it *had* to be mentioned. I don't think he had to disclose his preferences at all. If he didn't want to tell a female Hawke, why should he have to?Yeah, again I think this is more an issue with writing than Anders sexuality. It really should've been mentioned no matter what.
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