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[Lieutenant Kurin]

I don't think it's really fair to say about Dorian. We heard him speak and he's not any sort of gay stereotype. I think what people have said about him has more to do with their outlook on gay people than Dorian's actual characterization.

 

Iron Bull is a let down, though. Another promiscuous bisexual and straight people get all the knightly do-gooder types? They made a good three and couldn't throw us one of them? Really unfortunate context. 

I'm trying not to be on a short fuse, but excuse my tone nonetheless, but note that I said that others were calling him that. I hope he's nothing like people make him out to be (although the 'Team YOLO' thing has me worried). 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, you are trying to undermine the point that gay men and lesbians have been traditionally underepresented.  If I consistently responded to a straight female player complaining about her options in past games by saying "Well, you always get more options than me.....", she would have every right to find that to be a dismissive act. 

That is not my intention. 

That said, in your example you would have a point. 

[LiaraShepard]

I don't think it's really fair to say about Dorian. We heard him speak and he's not any sort of gay stereotype. I think what people have said about him has more to do with their outlook on gay people than Dorian's actual characterization.

 

Iron Bull is a let down, though. Another promiscuous bisexual and straight people get all the knightly do-gooder types? They made a good three and couldn't throw us one of them? Really unfortunate context. 

 

I'm still afraid Dorian will just be a sidekick character. I mean, straight guys get Cassandra who's probably the most important character in the game. And straight females get 4 LI's, and I bet at least one of them is also very important to the main plot. I have little hope left that Dorian is so important to the plot that it's not a loss to have 2 LI's less.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Yeah, I think that this is the point that's making me a little less happy right now.

 

I tell myself, "Well maybe in the next game....." and then I remember that the next game is an ME game.  I heard it's a different team, though, so maybe it won't be as ridiculously lopsided as the first trilogy.

It will be surprising if ME4 manages to be more progressive than the DA team, but I will definitely be pleased with them and I suppose it's not fair to judge the new team by the old team's methods. We will just have to wait and see, I guess. But I just can't get my hopes up. Not again.

[TheJediSaint]

And put me in the group that desperately wants the Knight-in-Shining-Armor to be open to m/m romances in the next DA game.  This has been my childhood fantasy (damn that prince in Sleeping Beauty......!) and I've never once seen a single fantasy game where this trope plays in my favor.

Sorry to say, the closest I can think of in media is Sir Loras , or maybe Jon Connington from ASOIF.  That's not a concept that's gotten much play in general media, as far as I can tell.

[berelinde]

This is true.  Straight females have only ever gotten the most in the last two DA games (yes, I count Seb because we're talking quantity not quality). 

The last two? Are you including Inquisition? Because they got exactly the same number in DAO. I'm not disputing Seb, because to Seb fans, yes, he definitely counts.

[daveliam]

 It was better to be a gay male, or female in ME3 than a straight female.

 

This is a subjective opinion and not really the focus of this thread.

[berelinde]

And put me in the group that desperately wants the Knight-in-Shining-Armor to be open to m/m romances in the next DA game.  This has been my childhood fantasy (damn that prince in Sleeping Beauty......!) and I've never once seen a single fantasy game where this trope plays in my favor.

I'd like that, too.

 

I'm going to try to get by by making androgynous characters and ignoring the "she" and "woman" refs and we'll see how that goes, but I do understand where you're coming from.

[Mr.House]

I'm still afraid Dorian will just be a sidekick character. I mean, straight guys get Cassandra who's probably the most important character in the game. And straight females get 4 LI's, and I bet at least one of them is also very important to the main plot. I have little hope left that Dorian is so important to the plot that it's not a loss to have 2 LI's less.

Alistair was important to the plot, he was also my least fav character in the game with Leli being my fav. Just because the character is important to the plot means little. You should like the character and enjoy them for who they are, not because they have a "important to the plot" sign.

[daveliam]

The last two? Are you including Inquisition? Because they got exactly the same number in DAO. I'm not disputing Seb, because to Seb fans, yes, he definitely counts.

 

Yeah, I was including DA: I now that we know the distribution.

[Fizzie Panda]

Eh... Cassandra is a warrior?  Her family is rich?  I don't know what you like or dislike, so I can't really help...

 

Wait, didn't Cassandra kill a high dragon solo?  She's a hero in Nevarra... you inspired yet?

thank you, so, so much

[mordy_was_here]

While this whole thing is going down, I'm just gonna put this here. If you're acting like an imbecile and insulting the devs, stop it. Stop it right now.

 

[LiaraShepard]

Alistair was important to the plot, he was also my least fav character in the game with Leli being my fav. Just because the character is important to the plot means little. You should like the character and enjoy them for who they are, not because they have a "important to the plot" sign.

 

I still prefer characters who are important to the main story. It just feels greater, more special. It's difficult to explain.

[Lieutenant Kurin]

 I just woke up and the first thing that came to mind is ME3.  Well, I think how they did it was really bad in me3. Killing off thane(where they admitted they forgot he was a romance option) and Jacob what they did there was insulting. And female gamers who started at me3 were really screwed. It was better to be a gay male, or female in ME3 than a straight female.

I dunno, Cortez's 360 degree turn from grieving husband to totally down-to-----, in "one mission" of time scared me so much that I put down the controller and promised to never romance him. I still haven't. As for Kaidan, he's great, but he even says that it's a romantic relationship. He falls in love with you, not necessarily attracted to you, he could be straight but panromantic. Plus he got half the content of everything compared to the other squadmates (they probably shared his VO budget with Ash), think of even Citadel's DLC, most current squadmates and romance options got two cutscenes, Kaidan (and Ash) both got one short one. You couldn't even invite Ash to your apartment. Plus he could be dead. And that's literally all I can talk about because ME3 was the only game with m/m options.

 

Short, being a gay male has never been easy or better in an ME game (in my opinion).

[jtav]

I'm torn. Yes, I have more options, and I'm upset for s/s players. On the other hand, I have no interest in three of my options, so I can only be grateful that my first choice who I'd given up any hope of is available.

[syllogi]

Alistair was important to the plot, he was also my least fav character in the game with Leli being my fav. Just because the character is important to the plot means little. You should like the character and enjoy them for who they are, not because they have a "important to the plot" sign.

 

I can like the romance options I get and still be sad that I will most likely never get to romance female characters like Viconia, Ashley, Morrigan, Bastila, Miranda, or Cassandra with my female player character.  

 

I'm very used to it after all this time, but it's kind of predictable.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

We don't necessarily know that about Blackwall yet, do we? Cullen, sure. But Blackwall is still mostly unknown.

 

Edit: I get the point you're making, just thought I'd throw that out there.

I guess we don't know that Blackwall isn't overly promiscuous/stereotypically "rogue" like. His writer interview made me feel that way, since it was emphasized that honor and defending others are the most important things to him. I guess we'll see. Really, I'm just disappointed by their continued portrayal of bisexuals as traditionally morally questionable and promiscuous.

 

It's not even that I particularly have something against promiscuous people. I don't think it's wrong. I like Zevran and Isabela as individuals. In fact, Zevran was one of my favorite LIs. It's just a long term representation issue. Bisexuals are assumed to be a certain way because media always presents them that way, and that's really unfortunate. 

[Mr.House]

While this whole thing is going down, I'm just gonna put this here. If you're acting like an imbecile and insulting the devs, stop it. Stop it right now.

 

*sigh* sad that people are doing that.

[berelinde]

Yeah, I was including DA: I now that we know the distribution.

Fair enough! I was asking for clarification, not because I disagree.

 

The disparity doesn't affect me as much because I can roll a female and more or less enjoy it (although I'm still pretty sure I can't bring myself to play an elf), but that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the disappointment gay male fans must be feeling.

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm torn. Yes, I have more options, and I'm upset for s/s players. On the other hand, I have no interest in three of my options, so I can only be grateful that my first choice who I'd given up any hope of is available.

May I guess who's your one option is?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm still afraid Dorian will just be a sidekick character. I mean, straight guys get Cassandra who's probably the most important character in the game. And straight females get 4 LI's, and I bet at least one of them is also very important to the main plot. I have little hope left that Dorian is so important to the plot that it's not a loss to have 2 LI's less.

I was just addressing whether Dorian was "stereotypically" or "offensively" gay acting, which, at the least, I don't think it true. I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if he and Sera are less plot important characters, but I guess on that we can't say much right now.

[LiaraShepard]

I was just addressing whether Dorian was "stereotypically" or "offensively" gay acting, which, at the least, I don't think it true. I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if he and Sera are less plot important characters, but I guess on that we can't say much right now.

 

I don't think either that he's stereotypically gay. I actually like his soft features. But if he turns out to be a sidekick character I guess I'm even more disapointed. It just seems like a big step backwards for now.