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[franciscoamell]

How about someone rolling many different characters because they want to and not because they have to so they can romance who they want?

[Chari]

you could create a new playthrough with Kaidan in ME3 without replaying the game series from the beginning. And if you wanted to romance Garrus you only had to replay ME2.

And if you don't you have literally no man to romance aka zero LI. Forever alone, straight female Shepard. Maybe in the next cycle life
And before you jump to "but we had no..." argument: This isn't "I'm more oppressed than you" contest, every side has a right to complain. So, yeah, just move on already
At least we could flirt with Vega but that led nowhere...

[Lee80]

And if you don't you have literally no man to romance aka zero LI. Forever alone, straight female Shepard. Maybe in the next cycle life
And before you jump to "but we had no..." argument: This isn't "I'm more oppressed than you" contest, every side has a right to complain. So, yeah, just move on already
At least we could flirt with Vega but that led nowhere...

you got to do more than flirt with him in the Citadel DLC.  

[Vapaa]

I'd honestly rather hear that they're writing as many LGBT characters as they think a mainstream audience will carry than that they just consistently want to write less gay characters as a conscious action.    

 

But they are writting more gay characters by the day

[Maria Caliban]

Considering how straight women have gotten the short end of the stick lately, I don't see the problem with them having Solas. To be frank, all I can say is too bad if you had plans otherwise. Just pick yourself up and move on.

Sorry, straight women have gotten the short end of the stick... compared to gay men?

Pretty sure straight women have had more LIs than gay dudes in every BioWare game. Unless you're saying Solas not being available for men is a blow against all the straight men eager to romance him.

[carlo angelo]

I said in the Solas thread that I like this whole race/gender combo gating and find it interesting.

Yes I'm a straight female, but I'm not an elf.. So I don't see why other people can't roll the right character to romance someone they really wanted to.
I like Dorian's character so far, and I don't play as male PCs. But I might to try his romance and therefore I'll have to play as a male PC like I never have before.

It encourages you to try different race/gender combinations.

It's unfortunate it's unbalanced and a lot of people feel inequality but I do like this direction of each companion is individual.
BioWare games are great for gay/lesbian/straight romances.
I feel with each game they're taking a step in the right direction.

Personally I wasn't a fan of DA2's system but I do like DAI's so far.

 

1) It's great in the sense that we have our first gay and lesbian companion.

2) It's great that there are bisexual companions to go along with it.

3) It's great there's a level of unconventional appeal with each character, varingly.

 

I'd rather not turn this into a debate about who gets represented more this time around, but this will be close. But I just want to point out that those who identify as gay or lesbian have already roleplaying video games using straight characters with straight relationships for some time... in other games. In the past, present, and of course, future. That will never go away and this isn't anything new. What is new is that, yes, we have Dorian. Yes, we have Sera. And Iron Bull and Josephine. Again, that's great. What's new is that female players get catered to more, even if it's only for a smaller percentage of you.

 

I'll reserve my judgement until the last relationship option is revealed, but till then, I'm just hoping that if it's Vivienne, hopefully she's bisexual so at least lesbian players are on par with straight men and women.

 

That's not going to stop me from playing the game, though. And I'll wait with bated breath most especially for Dorian (personally) as well as Sera, Iron Bull, and Josephine because they'll be presenting a set of characters I've been wanting to see for quite some time in games, even if they're not what I had expected. But till then, I'll continue to push for more characters who represent a demographic I and many others could see themselves in.

[Chari]

Nice chart whoever made it

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[Nocte ad Mortem]

But they are writting more gay characters by the day

I mean less than straight characters. 

[Maria Caliban]

We don't know that all of those people are available for romance with all races.

[wright1978]

Still sticking to my Vivienne Human only LI for the last one, ideally bi.

[MCG]

It's really disappointing. It just stings more every time they say, "we just write the characters we want to write". I'd honestly rather hear that they're writing as many LGBT characters as they think a mainstream audience will carry than that they just consistently want to write less gay characters as a conscious action.

I agree with what you've said previously but this is a tad much, I don't think Bioware has done that simply due to the mainstream audience, we have to remember that Solas isn't only straight but he's also only for Elves, surely this is specific to the narrative how restricted he is. Plus there are more straight characters/people out there than homosexual so even though LGBT has been represented it has to be believable. In a way I'm happy we finally have proof straight elves exist for once lol, but I am disappointed that even though I likely wouldn't have romanced Solas in the end now I can't even be remotely open to the prospect

[Yinello]

Made a little handy excel list for myself with all options for every possible PC.

 

(left out bisexual PCs because it was a redundant list of gay and straight LIs combined)

 

I'll stick to the rule that every possible PC gets at least 2 LI options. From what I see, the next LI must be gated or must fill a spot of a gated previous LI. So if Cullen is gated, the next LI will most likely be Blackwall. If Cassandra is gated, it's Vivienne. I do think the next LI is gated and not the previous known ones.

 

Pretty much all (except straight female Elves? Who knows) could still get someone extra.

[Zakhar]

Sorry, straight women have gotten the short end of the stick... compared to gay men?

Pretty sure straight women have had more LIs than gay dudes in every BioWare game. Unless you're saying Solas not being available for men is a blow against all the straight men eager to romance him.

My words are getting tossed about it seems. Yes, gay men deserve more attention but to be frank there's nothing to be done about it now. The decisions have been made and Bioware never claimed it'd all be equal.

Now it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't system. If Vivienne is a lesbian, then gay men are still under-represented. If she's bi, straights are too represented (I hate that term but I'll ignore it). If she's straight then repeat earlier. If Blackwall is gay then lesbians are under-represented, if bi then straights again etc.

It cannot come up as everyone equal no matter what the decision is.

[Jessihatt]

That's not going to stop me from playing the game, though. And I'll wait with bated breath most especially for Dorian (personally) as well as Sera, Iron Bull, and Josephine because they'll be presenting a set of characters I've been wanting to see for quite some time in games, even if they're not what I had expected. But till then, I'll continue to push for more characters who represent a demographic I and many others could see themselves in.

No I don't want to debate either, and I understand pushing for demographics.
But so far, on the romance charts everything is equal in terms of romance options through races and genders apart from Solas being female elf only (and the yet unreleased LI and gated).

However, I don't think romances should be spread equally for that sake alone. The writers have said it makes perfect sense why he's only available to female elves, so I trust that it does.

[MisterJB]

Nice chart whoever made it

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This is a clear case of elven favoritism and I don't think we should stand for it.

[JJDXB]

Honestly, I'm a little nervous for this last LI, no matter what someone will be disappointed with this one. I'm homosexual myself and this time I'll be representing that, in 'Origin's' my Warden was Heterosexual and my male Hawke was Bi-sexual but liked women more. I think Dorian is great, it's going to be hard not to romance him but I don't want to go with a mage, Iron-Bull is also very big and dominating which doesn't suit me personally, if Blackwall is interested in men (which is extremely unlikely indeed right now) then maybe things will get more interesting for me but right now looks like I may end up all alone. Whoever is the last LI though, I hope those who are pleased enjoy it .

 

From a purely physical perspective, I don't find Dorian or Bull appealing at all.  As shallow as it may be, the biggest thing for me are their moustaches.  I can't stand moustaches.  So I'm here hoping Vivienne will be available and that Bioware in DA4 will have a conventionally attractive bi or gay (Anders I romanced my first run-through of Da2, but his whole terrorist thing is a real turn-off and Fenris looks like an anime character) romance option. 

[franciscoamell]

My words are getting tossed about it seems. Yes, gay men deserve more attention but to be frank there's nothing to be done about it now. The decisions have been made and Bioware never claimed it'd all be equal.

Now it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't system. If Vivienne is a lesbian, then gay men are still under-represented. If she's bi, straights are too represented (I hate that term but I'll ignore it). If she's straight then repeat earlier. If Blackwall is gay then lesbians are under-represented, if bi then straights again etc.

It cannot come up as everyone equal no matter what the decision is.

We can keep voicing our opinions and maybe we'll have an equal amount of options for everyone in a future game.

[Zakhar]

We can keep voicing our opinions and maybe we'll have an equal amount of options for everyone in a future game.

Perhaps. In the end, writers will make the characters the way they imagine them. If they can't imagine a character gay or bi well... Tough luck I'm afraid.

[carlo angelo]

Perhaps. In the end, writers will make the characters the way they imagine them. If they can't imagine a character gay or bi well... Tough luck I'm afraid.

And this is why I'd like to break into the games industry and positively annihilate that.

 

In saying that, this isn't a slight against you, but I feel like I'm right in saying that if you want something done, you do it yourself. Which is what I'm planning to do in that future, heaven help me.

[Chari]

It's kinda sad that regardless what Bioware does (one of the most inclusive video game developers so far) they get called racists, sexists or homophobes every time a character, LI or sth else gets revealed
We don't give them enough credit IMHO

[Zakhar]

And this is why I'd like to break into the games industry and positively annihilate that.

 

In saying that, this isn't a slight against you, but I feel like I'm right in saying that if you want something done, you do it yourself. Which is what I'm planning to do in that future, heaven help me.

That's beyond the games industry. That's writing in general. Speaking as someone who's a bit of an amateur writer, it... really isn't as easy as just making a character gay. Not if you've already made them. Somethings just don't feel... right with a character.

[Samahl]

It's kinda sad that regardless what Bioware does (one of the most inclusive video game developers so far) they get called racists, sexists or homophobes every time a character, LI or sth else gets revealed
We don't give them enough credit IMHO

 

When BioWare messes up, they mess up. Their threshold for mistakes and bad choices does not hinge on what other game developers are doing. They are not flawless, and they do not deserve especial praise for meeting the minimum standard of decency.

[TheJediSaint]

When BioWare messes up, they mess up. Their threshold for mistakes and bad choices does not hinge on what other game developers are doing. They are not flawless, and they do not deserve especial praise for meeting the minimum standard of decency.

No offense, but not being able to please everyone doesn't count as a mistake.

[LiaraShepard]

No offense, but not being able to please everyone doesn't count as a mistake.

 

Doesn't mean that it's a good thing when they always please the straight audience more than the homosexual one.