Oh knock it off, youngin'. I already get this crap from elu. In my advanced age (it starts with a "3"!), I don't think I can keep up with two of you!
...I was born in 1978
3 years removed from vietnam!
._. I remember the cold war!
And Cheap Gasoline!
And Communism!
In regard to the romances the only way to not feel cheated is to roleplay a female bisexual elf and you have 6 options available to you!
The funny thing about roleplaying is if you’re willing to rp any race, any gender, any sexuality, Thedas is your oyster of love! Aside from the fact I have never roled a female elf I feel spoilt and if I did those extra romances (Solas and Cullen) arent actually of great appeal I'd likely go with Sera.
I feel especially spoiled because in all my years of gaming I can't say I've ever felt a real part of the 'gamer demographic'
'tis nice to feel included, it really is, and I'm sorry most of you don't feel this way but it's been a very long time coming for me personally.
I'm not sure if my age is greater than most of you, but I suspect I could even be ages with your grandmothers 
so yeah, a long time.
Blakwall is LI! Thank you you care for straight women, Bioware.
Blakwall is LI! Thank you you care for straight women, Bioware.
There was no way there would have been all the mages as LIs in one single game. Also, there is also Solas and Cullen for straight women.
I was surprised that Blackwall got the last romance slot because I thought he would be to busy to put up with everyone's mess. Sorry to all of the Vivienne fans.
I guess overall it does not matter too much to me since I plan in playing 3 Femquisitors: Sera, Josephine, Ironbull.
More party for you
YAAAA!
And he is orlesian. Maker yes!
There was no way there would have been all the mages as LIs in one single game. Also, there is also Solas and Cullen for straight women.
So instead we get all the warriors, 4 warriors if you count Cullen 
Also ladyofpayne is a known troll best to ignore em
...I was born in 1978
3 years removed from vietnam!
._. I remember the cold war!
And Cheap Gasoline!
And Communism!
I just wonder something.......if Blackwall was really one of the core options why did they announce him last? Why didn't they say Cullen was a race gate option back when he was announced (still shocks me that he wasn't even a romance at first though I never planned to romance him) This would of all made sense if they had just announced both Cullen and Solas last.
Well the more options the better, since planning five playthroughs 3 females and two males so this does leave the flied wide open.
Not sure if I'm ready for anothher Thane style romance though, that was heartbreaking so hopefully Blackwall is different.
Sorry for typos and errors.
I just wonder something.......if Blackwall was really one of the core options why did they announce him last? Why didn't they say Cullen was a race gate option back when he was announced (still shocks me that he wasn't even a romance at first though I never planned to romance him) This would of all made since if they had just announced both Cullen and Solas last.
Cullen and Cassandra were both already known, so there were tons and tons of questions about whether or not they were romanceable. They might've decided to reveal them as the first two straights for the fans.
Also, just like the Bull was originally going to be gated but became ungated, they might've wanted to wait for the last minute just in case gating changed. But who knows?
I just wonder something.......if Blackwall was really one of the core options why did they announce him last? Why didn't they say Cullen was a race gate option back when he was announced (still shocks me that he wasn't even a romance at first though I never planned to romance him) This would of all made sense if they had just announced both Cullen and Solas last.
Cullen and Solas were both leaked accidentally. Cullen's voice actor leaked him ages ago and they went ahead and announced it. Solas's voice actor had already leaked him, basically, there was really no other way to take what he said. Even still, a dev leaked him AGAIN, this time officially, because he thought the official announcement was already up.
Basically, their approach was just all kinds of screwed to announcing them. I'm with a bunch of others that hope they'll just announce them all early next time and let us get used to the idea of whatever we get.
Blakwall is LI! Thank you you care for straight women, Bioware.
Be careful with dat uppity female privilege, sisters are doing it for themselves, standing on their own two feet as long as you're an elf or human.
I just wonder something.......if Blackwall was really one of the core options why did they announce him last? Why didn't they say Cullen was a race gate option back when he was announced (still shocks me that he wasn't even a romance at first though I never planned to romance him) This would of all made sense if they had just announced both Cullen and Solas last.
Cullen and Solas were released by mistake. They were never intended to be released the way they were.
I just wonder something.......if Blackwall was really one of the core options why did they announce him last? Why didn't they say Cullen was a race gate option back when he was announced (still shocks me that he wasn't even a romance at first though I never planned to romance him) This would of all made sense if they had just announced both Cullen and Solas last.
The Cullen reveal wasn't planned though. It came after his VA slipped about it, if I recall correctly.
Edit: so 
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I know Solas wasn't planned I was here when it happened, the night before he was revealed I had just got done saying I was done with race gating talk till after the last two were revealed and the very next day Solas got revealed and last night once again I said I was done with race gating talk till the last one was revealed and look what happened today lol I am cursed
The Cullen reveal wasn't planned though. It came after his VA slipped about it, if I recall correctly.
Edit: so
Same /Hugs...
Long and late post:
Seeing this news was pretty disappointing. It'd be nice if I was angry, but I'm not: just disappointed. It's a significantly worse emotion to have about something that you think is important. First off, and I've said this before: I don't think that "fairness" should be the end-all-be-all goal of Bioware when they design romances. I don't think a writer should have to write a romance for a character if they didn't think it relevant, and that seems to be what happened with Vivienne. It makes sense to me that some characters won't be romances, and this may create gender imbalances in who the romances are.
At the same time, I don't ever really buy the argument that, especially in Thedas, that changing a character's sexuality really changes much about that character. Of course for some characters some things are important: Leliana's relationship with Marjolaine makes it necessary that she isn't straight, but it's just as easy to write her as bisexual as it is to write her as a lesbian. With this in mind, I wasn't necessarily expecting equal options among all sexualities, but I was kinda expecting that the romance options would be more or less equal between gay and straight characters as a whole.
This expectation arose largely from the rhetoric that Bioware's been throwing at us since day one of Inquisition. That rhetoric is all about equality and the importance of representation and all that: so I was pretty optimistic coming into the reveals. So, when expectations are set high it always hurts more when they're dashed. I know Bioware wasn't dishonest with me, but it feels like it a little bit. Maybe I should take away a different lesson from this all: but the lesson I'm taking away is that gay and lesbian players make up the smallest portion of Bioware's playerbase. We shouldn't ever expect our options to actually be equal to those the straight players are presented with. (And it's especially disappointing to realize that they were totally fine with some gay male races only having one romance option back when Bull was gated) Which I guess makes sense, sorta. I'm more upset with their marketing than anything: I wish they were more upfront about these realities in the future.
Oh well, that's all the whining I'm gonna do. Just figured it was worth getting out now.
The expected Iron Bull gates really sting, everything considered. I guess at least Epler has our back. 
It seems pretty disingenuous that they keep saying they made sure everyone would have two choices no matter if actually only one developer thought that was important enough to see to on his own time, though.
The funny thing about roleplaying is if you’re willing to rp any race, any gender, any sexuality, Thedas is your oyster of love!
But I'm not, nor should I feel obliged to do so.
I agree.
Although I recommend it to people who for some people it could be a healthy experience to get outside of their comfort zone.
Personally, I like playing a Male Human.
But that's all about to change, thanks Bioware 
Challenge accepted
but the lesson I'm taking away is that gay and lesbian players make up the smallest portion of Bioware's playerbase.
You have Sera and Dorian. You should say thank you. In ME 3 straight woman has only Kaiden whom can be killed.
But I'm not, nor should I feel obliged to do so.
Oh I wasn't saying you had too, just the option is there and it's fair enough that you don't feel obliged. I'm just speaking from my own personal experience of initially being reluctant to try other PC's then actually finding that when I did, it expanded my experience and enjoyment of the game.
Oh I wasn't saying you had too, just the option is there and it's fair enough that you don't feel obliged. I'm just speaking from my own personal experience of initially being reluctant to try other PC's then actually finding that when I did, it expanded my experience and enjoyment of the game.
Soo...guess everyone in the LGB crowd got the short end of the stick then ?
That's it, I'm done. I'm glad I can still get Blackwall. But I'm feeling so bitter and disappointed right now.
Sorry to all the Lesbians who wanted Viv. I feel your pain. 
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