Very stupid question I'm about to ask but you can hook up a console controller to a laptop right? I can only play maybe two games on PC and thats when I had a nice big desktop. Keyboard controls are just really weird for me^^; Alright next time I get more spending money I'll keep my eyes out for that two. The list of Bioware games I need to pick up keeps growing it seems
You can, though I'm not sure it will work with KOTOR. Give it a shot though !
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I prefer FemRevan. Feels more badass. Plus trolling Carth is funnier than Bastila
Different strokes.
Evil! Bastila: Join me and together we can rule the galaxy as **** buddies!
CheesecakeRevan: Can either of you top that?
Jolee/Juhani: Uhm...
CheesecakeRevan: Dark Side it is!
yeah, again I think it's just got to do with gender dynamics and men generally being..just bigger than women. As a bisexual man I'm used to being both the aggresor and the pursued (Couldn't think of a better word.) So I can sort of understand what you're talking about.
Well regardless of anyone's orientation in any given situation or interaction, sexism can still be an issue. Gay men can be just as sexist towards women as straight men, if sometimes not more so.
Different strokes.
Evil! Bastila: Join me and together we can rule the galaxy as **** buddies!
CheesecakeRevan: Can either of you top that?
Jolee/Juhani: Uhm...
CheesecakeRevan: Dark Side it is!
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I only wish you could've had Malak as your minion again. My poor fem Revan could've used a servant. But noooooooo.
Hey, I was wondering since we are on the topic, what do you gay guys feel about Femme gay men in media? I know often they are treated almost like straight women accessories but I don't know if you guys feel the same, especially since it is a more common trope in media than Butch women.
Depends on how they are written and what do you mean when you say "femme".
Are we talking physically? As in, androgynous-looking, beardless, slight, and boyish? Because they exist. I'm one of them. And physical appearances don't determine personality, so I don't have a whit of a problem in that regard. Personally, I would like to see more... "androgynous" looking gay men without it being so "no ******" in the way that they're written.
Or if we're going by gay men portraying social-constructed conventions of femininity, like gentleness, being demure, submissiveness, and or elegance, I really don't see a problem with that either, so long as the way they're written isn't meant to leave us feeling that we're supposed to find him annoying or stereotypical. These personality traits aren't bad in either sex- in fact, I wish I were more like these things. But again, it really does boil down to their delivery.
I, for one, am hoping that one day, there will be a romance with a quiet, demure, and soft-spoken elven gay man who's not a one-note characterisation of what society perceives to be a stereotypical gay man. Bonus points if I can play a Qunari warrior in this romance as well. Because yes.
It only bothers me when the stereotype dehumanizes the character. There are feminine gay men and there are different ways gay men can be feminine. Some people call Dorian feminine just because he takes care of his appearance, Loras from Game of Throne is actually called "The Knight of Flowers" or something like that, but I assume we are specifically talking "FAAAAAAAABULOUUUUUUS" gay. In terms of this, there are two issues that I see. One is that it's really over represented (like the promiscuous bisexual issue). It's not a problem, but how often it still happens is kind of a problem. The second is that these men often seem to only exist to be what people are calling the "gay best friend". They're not really whole people, they're just there to make jokes and encourage the main character. They don't have any real individuality most of the time.
Bioware can almost be a little extreme with how masculine characters are. It's basically the reverse of the "butch lesbian" issue. If a character is slightly less than an Iron Bull or Blackwall, people start calling them effeminate. People say it about Zevran and Dorian and I don't see it at all. When you have to be an eight foot tall Qunari that's six foot wide to be acknowledged as masculine, there's an issue.
Just ran out of Likes for the first time. But I had a feeling, and it feels mostly straight people are calling them that from what I can see? Let's be honest, it isn't true for all or even most, but LGBT people often have certain "cues" for often noticing each other. To insist these cues are problematic and a bad stereotype and should never happen is like erasing a bit of an identity.
On the otherhand making it the center of their identity is much worse as any erasing of an entire character for one trait is gross and dehumanizing. But Bioware doesn't seem at all likely of that in terms of gender presentation.
...though at this point my privilege is rather throbbing...
Very stupid question I'm about to ask but you can hook up a console controller to a laptop right? I can only play maybe two games on PC and thats when I had a nice big desktop. Keyboard controls are just really weird for me^^; Alright next time I get more spending money I'll keep my eyes out for that two. The list of Bioware games I need to pick up keeps growing it seems
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Yes, you should be able to do that! As long as you have a working USB port and the right software, you should be fine 
You have *no idea* the amount of self-control I'm exercising right now. So many jokes I'm not making right now.
Anyways, I'm glad straight women have a lot of excellent options. I'm a bit disappointed, but I'll probably feel better once I get the game and fall for Sera and/or Josephine.
I'm quite easy to please.
I threw it in there just for you. 
Hopefully next time around you and the others won't have a need to feel disappointed.
It's not that men are actually predators. It's more about that they are always the dominant, pushy one in a relationship when it comes to certain things. Which makes them kind of threatening at times.
Well I assure you that's not the type of male I am, if anything my gf is the more threatening one lol
Well regardless of anyone's orientation in any given situation or interaction, sexism can still be an issue. Gay men can be just as sexist towards women as straight men, if sometimes not more so.
This is very true, sexism can be any issue for any Gender/orientation.
I feel for you, truly. I really wanted Cassandra to be bisexual (and for Vivienne to be a bisexual romance option as well).And you know what? If they'd kept the 2 bi women/2 bi dudes from Dragon Age II, I'd probably be romancing Cassandra. I'm literally in the position where I wish they'd created half as many love interests. WTF?
Honestly, I can only really do female/male romance if the man is bisexual.I tried to play as a male Warden in Dragon Age: Origins, ended up leaving Lothering, sleeping with Morrigan, and quitting the game. It feels icky to be a dude just to get in someone's pants.
.....I feel really out of place all of a sudden lol but seriously no not all of us are predators we wish for love and companionship just as women do and can be sweet romantics but well we are rare lol. But as a yuri fan I agree that female/female has something about it that is more sweet, cute and romantic
Oh I don't believe that at all. I feel like a predator when I pretend to be a man because the social dynamic changed on me. even in a sweet romance theres a sense of weirdness because of the sudden change. Lesbians can be aggressive predators, but even then the dynamic is different so adjusting to being the man romancing a woman can make me feel like a creep.
I really wish that I could play straight characters. I imagine that I'd like to romance Cullen/Cass/Solas (3 of the 4 characters I'm most interested in I think!), but I just can't play straight characters. Heterosexuality is just thrown in my face by every other piece of media that I consume. Not gonna force it on myself.
Hmm, I'd just like to point out that ending the game with an LI of the opposite sex doesn't mean playing a straight character. You can play a bisexual PC.
Hmm, I'd just like to point out that ending the game with an LI of the opposite sex doesn't mean playing a straight character. You can play a bisexual PC.
Well yeah, but that's not really that different of a playing experience from playing a straight PC. I'm sure some LGB people can have fun doing this. I don't.
IIRC, plenty of gay people took issue with Zevran's characterization (and likely are doing so with Dorian's as well).Just ran out of Likes for the first time. But I had a feeling, and it feels mostly straight people are calling them that from what I can see? Let's be honest, it isn't true for all or even most, but LGBT people often have certain "cues" for often noticing each other. To insist these cues are problematic and a bad stereotype and should never happen is like erasing a bit of an identity.
IIRC, plenty of gay people took issue with Zevran's characterization (and likely are doing so with Dorian's as well).
I know David tried to dismiss some of the criticism (in reference to Zevran, by saying that some people are really like that and there's nothing wrong with it), but I think he should have been more mindful of the circumstance. Zevran was the only truly bisexual male in BioWare's cast, and the first real gay romance, so having him come off as the more effeminate and promiscuous male of the party can be argued to be problematic (the same way as having the only two gay characters in a DA novel get killed off, one because he was so weak with grief that he'd prefer to lose himself to a dream than carry on without his boyfriend).
If Zevran weren't the only bisexual man we had seen, and those weren't the first gay characters we had read, I think it would have been different (and I don't agree with criticism against Zevran, though I can understand it). But he was, and I think it should be recognized when evaluating the various opinions about his character.
I can sort of see why some people might take issue with Zev.
But Dorian is gay, and while he does seem to have a suave personality, He doesn't seem promiscuous.
I can't see Zevran as effeminate at all and I don't understand how others do. I don't know where it comes from at all. Is it because elves are small? I don't even get it.
Oh I don't believe that at all. I feel like a predator when I pretend to be a man because the social dynamic changed on me. even in a sweet romance theres a sense of weirdness because of the sudden change. Lesbians can be aggressive predators, but even then the dynamic is different so adjusting to being the man romancing a woman can make me feel like a creep.
I think part of that is just the romances are sometimes written badly.
Isabella and Morrigan, for example had some seriously "off" business.
Morrigan and Isabella basically are strong-seeming women who "crack."
I want to be their romantic partner.
I do not want to be their therapist.
It's why I love the Shepherd/Ashley romance. Two normal people sexually attracted to one another.
It's why I *HATED* The Jack romance.
I really wish that I could play straight characters. I imagine that I'd like to romance Cullen/Cass/Solas (3 of the 4 characters I'm most interested in I think!), but I just can't play straight characters. Heterosexuality is just thrown in my face by every other piece of media that I consume. Not gonna force it on myself.
I personally think that's fair- I mean, it's something I'm going to do. I am happy for those who got what they wished for. But I'm not in this game so I could play someone having an attraction to the opposite sex because of this one character I'd like to romance. I could play any other game with a romantic subplot, but the majority of them are heterosexual and I just wouldn't be so keen on the idea.
BioWare is different, because it's for everyone, male, female, gay, straight, bisexual, and anyone who fits in-between and outside these groups. It's a game that allows for everyone to feel like they're creating Inquisitors who they can connect with more than any other game through the choices they make and the relationships they cultivate with other characters. If that's one of the main draws, of course you'd have queer monosexuals gunning for an experience like that as well. I mean, I get there's more to the game and a playthrough than that, but understand that there are people who are disappointed with the idea of romancing a character they like, but it's not going to be with an Inquisitor they could personally connect with, especially as someone who's from a social minority.
I can't see Zevran as effeminate at all and I don't understand how others do. I don't know where it comes from at all. Is it because elves are small? I don't even get it.
I'd be more offended with bisexual Zevran being an immoral assassin who murders people he sleeps with than with him being suave instead of a sort of grunge masculinity. Though oddly, bisexual Leliana using her sexuality to manipulate and sometimes kill people never seemed to bother me.
Even if you take issue with Zev's morality. You have to respect how he's up front with it. "I'm an assassin, I kill people for a living, I enjoy it. Take that how you will"
I can't see Zevran as effeminate at all and I don't understand how others do. I don't know where it comes from at all. Is it because elves are small? I don't even get it.
that's new for me too... 
Yes, Zevran is a pretty boy but he's pretty damn macho.
It's just he's an elf with long hair.
Also, he sleeps with men.
Take the last bit off and he's pretty much the embodiment of manliness in several parts of the world.
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