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[Willowhugger]

I'd rather have him gay than bisexual. If he's bisexual, straight women would get twice as many options than lesbians. That'd be over the top, even with race gating. If he's gay, gay men and straight women have three options and straight men and lesbian women two options...The distribution would be closer, still not fair but at least not as bad as with one group getting 4 options.

 

Even distribution is kind of the issue here. Is that important versus satisfying the larger customer base? Gay Bioware fans are a huge minority and a vocal as well as supportive one so I'm not dismissing their concerns.

Just wondering if it's important to focus on that or not.

[Chari]

They do try, and I don't think many people are denying that. There are other games that I think try. Bethesda is pretty good about including gay characters. New Vegas had gay companions and NPCs. Skyrim allows same sex relationships equally. Fable games allow same sex relationships. Borderlands 2 has a bisexual male protag that you can choose, plus other LGB characters in the world, some of them major NPCs. The Last of Us had Ellie, a main lesbian character. It's not just Bioware, at this point, but I do appreciate what they do for the LGBT community and what these other developers do, as well as those I didn't happen to mention.

The thing is, we're making baby steps on representation for the LGBT community. Doing a little seems like doing a lot right now. It doesn't mean we shouldn't ever expect any games to equally represent LGBT characters and offer equal options for those players. I appreciate that Bioware is leading the pack with a select few others, but that doesn't mean I want that progress to become stagnant.

Bioware does better in terms of female protagonists and characters overall than Bethesda, for example. Etc. I didn't talk only about LGBT

I don't see the progress stopping. It's the first time we have gay lis who are also companions in DA. That's some real progress, nothing to fear here

[LiaraShepard]

Even distribution is kind of the issue here. Is that important versus satisfying the larger customer base? Gay Bioware fans are a huge minority and a vocal as well as supportive one so I'm not dismissing their concerns.

Just wondering if it's important to focus on that or not.

 

Judging by the amount of LI's in Bioware games so far, it's more important to them to satisfy the larger fan base....

[Willowhugger]

So what's people's opinions on the idea of not just ending the romances at sex? I confess, one of the things I always disliked about Dragon Age: Origins was it ended at the moment you became lovers.

I always wanted to hear more afterward.

 

I hope we'll see bits to the end.

[Chari]

It's so funny though, in the thread about the 8 skills there were people who complained (including you) and also blamed bioware until one pointed them to be respecful and... you comment was... something along these "yeah let's be nice to bioware despite their errors. Let's just nod and smile" in a sarcastic way.


You were the one who said they should get some criticism, no?

Oh, I don't mind critisizing them, tough love is fun :3. It's just that I point out one little moment everyone tends to forget
After all romance is optional, combat is not
Besides, we're talking about Bioware and the game industry on the whole

[WildOrchid]

Oh, I don't mind critisizing them, tough love is fun :3. It's just that I point out one little moment everyone tends to forget
After all romance is optional, combat is not
Besides, we're talking about Bioware and the game industry on the whole

 

And people have the right to criticize, optional or not.

[Chari]

And people have the right to criticize, optional or not.

Welp, sure they have
I don't stop them

[Vaseldwa]

This is a clear case of elven favoritism and I don't think we should stand for it.

 

I would agree with you but since we don't know everything about the LI's yet, it's a "wee bit" early for this statement!  

[SnakeCode]

So as it stands females get more options than males? Interesting...

[TheJediSaint]

I think the reveal of the last LI will also determine who the other race-gated romance is.  Assuming that Bioware's going to maintain at least 2 options for everyone, and that the last LI is not race-gated, my theory as follows.

 

 

Straight Vivienne= Race-gated Cassandra.

Lesbian Vivienne= Race-gated Sera

Bi Vivienne= Either race-gated Cassandra or Sera.

Gay or Bi Blackwall= Race-gated Dorian.

[Chari]

I think the reveal of the last LI will also determine who the other race-gated romance is. Working on the assumption that Bioware's going to maintain at least 2 options for everyone, my theory as follows.


Straight Vivienne= Race-gated Cassandra.
Lesbian Vivienne= Race-gated Sera
Bi Vivienne= Either race-gated Cassandra or Sera.
Gay or Bi Blackwall= Race-gated Dorian.

I doubt the last racegated romance is a man. And it is possible that both last two LIs are racegated
Hmm

[Vapaa]

I think the reveal of the last LI will also determine who the other race-gated romance is. 

 

Nah, the Solas curveball proves that any probability is silly.

[Augustei]

Race gated Cullen, only likes Dwarves since they're the only race not at risk of Demonic Possession... The fan reaction would be hilarious. Especially since so few people play Dwarves

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Race gated Cullen, only likes Dwarves since they're the only race not at risk of Demonic Possession... The fan reaction would be hilarious. Especially since so few people play Dwarves

A dwarf definitely can't be a secret blood mage. That has to be a plus.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

If Blackwall is an LI (and he will probably be bisexual, if he is), I wouldn't be surprised if Cullen is gated, since I could see that "making up" for the extra straight option, by Bioware's figuring. If Vivienne is an option, I could pretty easily see her being straight/gated to humans only. 

[franciscoamell]

I give up on trying to guess anything now. XD 

 

I do hope for bi Vivienne though. That'd mean only us gay guys get less than three options but oh well it's still better than some crazy unbalanced thing idk.

[Black Jimmy]

When BioWare messes up, they mess up. Their threshold for mistakes and bad choices does not hinge on what other game developers are doing. They are not flawless, and they do not deserve especial praise for meeting the minimum standard of decency.

While I agree with that, I get the impression that you think they have messed up? I'm not seeing that. Dragon Age is one of the most inclusive games out there. 

Actually when I stop and think about it, I actually do disagree. Bioware do deserve at least some praise for being able to do what noone else cares to do.

Let's be honest, the majority of game game developers don't care about any of us. Even straight men only get catered to because we're the perceived gamer majority .

Bioware does care. It shouldn't be at a point where Bioware deserves praise for doing the right thing, but it is and they do. At the very least as encouragement to keep doing. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think it's probably going to be Vivienne. Sexualities surprise us sometimes but, honestly, the companions that "look" like LIs are usually LIs for someone. Vivienne is a lot more conventionally attractive than Blackwall and I think it's less likely that straight guys will get shorted than that they'd add another male option. I think Vivienne will be an option, but I'm not at all confident that she'll be bisexual. I think it's very likely she'll be straight and heavily race gated. It's definitely possible that she's bisexual, though. I hope she is. 

[Magdalena11]

If Blackwall is a LI, I hope he's bi.  Everyone should get the chance to enjoy his...charm.  If Vivienne is a LI, I hope she's only available to female inquisitors.  As a female, I'd feel like it was a kick in the teeth to give straight males another chance to conquer yet another powerful woman (looking at you, Morrigan.)

[Willowhugger]

If Blackwall is a LI, I hope he's bi.  Everyone should get the chance to enjoy his...charm.  If Vivienne is a LI, I hope she's only available to female inquisitors.  As a female, I'd feel like it was a kick in the teeth to give straight males another chance to conquer yet another powerful woman (looking at you, Morrigan.)

 

I confess, I never wanted to conquer Morrigan. I understand she had no friends and was raised horribly but I wanted my romance with her to be the two of us merrily snarking together and being the Mean Wardens. :-)

[Black Jimmy]

If Blackwall is a LI, I hope he's bi.  Everyone should get the chance to enjoy his...charm.  If Vivienne is a LI, I hope she's only available to female inquisitors.  As a female, I'd feel like it was a kick in the teeth to give straight males another chance to conquer yet another powerful woman (looking at you, Morrigan.)

As a straight man, I think it's kinda insulting to assume we only romance powerful women to "conquer" them and not because being a powerful woman makes her sexy.

 

I'm hoping she's bi personally. Gated to Humans, Dwarves and Qunari perhaps.

[TheJediSaint]

If Blackwall is a LI, I hope he's bi.  Everyone should get the chance to enjoy his...charm.  If Vivienne is a LI, I hope she's only available to female inquisitors.  As a female, I'd feel like it was a kick in the teeth to give straight males another chance to conquer yet another powerful woman (looking at you, Morrigan.)

I've never wanted to conquer any woman, but to partner with her as an equal.

[Willowhugger]

As a straight man, I think it's kinda insulting to assume we only romance powerful women to "conquer" them and not because being a powerful woman makes her sexy.

 

I'm hoping she's bi personally. Gated to Humans, Dwarves and Qunari perhaps.

 

Also speaking as a straight man, I only found Leliana interesting when she was talking about either her religious convictions or the time she was an assassin. Not much of an interest in flowers or shoes.

 

Dragon Age 2 was problematic because it wasn't so much I didn't like Isabella did her own thing but I didn't much care for every line out of her mouth being a lie or an attempt to manipulate me. I didn't particularly care for her breaking down and having a big emotional breakthrough, though, in the Third Act. Hawke was happy with being her friend and lover without her wanting to change everything about her. She seemed to think my being consistently nice to her meant I wanted her to CHANGE for some reason.

 

Aveline liked Donnic despite Mage Hawke's anvil-sized hints he enjoyed strong women who WEREN'T insane.

 

Is it so hard to have a romance with a straight woman which isn't also a form of therapy?

 

I almost decided to go with Merril because it'd be a relationship based on being a relationship but that was a little TOO cutesy. My Hawke could only end up talking with her about Blood Magic.

Which probably freaked the others out, to be honest.

[jtav]

Morrigan was in no way "conquered" by her romance. This is DA not ME. More likely Viv and Inquisitor would be Thedas' power couple.

[Magdalena11]

I confess, I never wanted to conquer Morrigan. I understand she had no friends and was raised horribly but I wanted my romance with her to be the two of us merrily snarking together and being the Mean Wardens. :-)

I'm sorry that I'm lumping all Morrigan romancers in the same category.  I do know that not everyone who romanced her did it for the belt notch.  The thing that annoyed me about her romance was that her attitude toward love and men nearly did a 180 once her approval went high enough.  The only concession to her original personality was denying tent time with advanced approval.  The consolation was that she wasn't hanging around regardless, until even that got "fixed" with Witch Hunt.  Check the forums and you'll see quite a few guys insisting that she's still involved with their wardens raising their child(ren.)  It's not just Morrigan.  Some players who left Leliana unhardened complain because 10 years of living hardened her anyway.  

 

It's just my own negativity showing up in what I say.  Hopefully, the LIs will all get to keep their personalities this time around.

 

Edit:  Straight male inquisitors who are attracted to powerful women do have Cassandra.  If they don't find her attractive, sorry.  Straight female inquisitors have Cullen v. 3.0 and Iron Bull, unless they want to play an elf.