I admit, now I want Citadel-like DLC for Dragon Age.
"Dragon Keep DLC-- Where all the Companions from the Three Games, Hawke, the Inquisitor, and the Warden can get together to chill out."
"Here's the chance you ladies have been waiting for to date rape Varric!"
As much as I am disappointed over the Cass reveal I'm pro set sexuality in this game too. I hated the route they went with DA2, glad they went back to the DAO model. I prefer that the LI's have their own preferences, makes them feel more real in a sense, like us we all have different orientations. And if it fits the characters okay fine, I'll just have to work around it even though some of the choices weren't ideal for my preferred gender playthroughs.
One thing which would prevent me from romancing Iron Bull as a Femquisitor is the PTSD factor they mentioned.
I really think Bioware shouldn't make romance as a form of therapy.
That's a really, really bad idea in RL.
So, does anyone think that Hawke and the Warden will be able to reunite with their lovers in this game?
Methinks they'll wait about a few weeks until the final reveal's made. I mean, each reveal so far has been spaced out once a month, roughly.
And why are you quoting me? I wasn't the one who brought the ME issue.
Because your post was where I was at when I decided to say it, but fair enough, I can unquote it.
On an unrelated not. How would the numbers work if Vivienne was a Male-to-Female post op trans, and was Bisexual?
On an unrelated not. How would the numbers work if Vivienne was a Male-to-Female post op trans, and was Bisexual?
100% fine with that.
On an unrelated not. How would the numbers work if Vivienne was a Male-to-Female post op trans, and was Bisexual?
She identifies as a woman, so she would count as a bisexual woman.
Because your post was where I was at when I decided to say it, but fair enough, I can unquote it.
On an unrelated not. How would the numbers work if Vivienne was a Male-to-Female post op trans, and was Bisexual?
She would still be bisexual.
I admit, now I want Citadel-like DLC for Dragon Age.
"Dragon Keep DLC-- Where all the Companions from the Three Games, Hawke, the Inquisitor, and the Warden can get together to chill out."
Yes please.
She would still be bisexual.
Yes but how would she effect the number of options on the lists people are posting?
I suppose it's be the same as if she wasn't trans. Didn't really think this though 
They said Zevran wouldn't be in DA:I and Anders is pretty unlikely, so at least my Warden and Hawke aren't probably going to see their LIs again. At least, not on screen. Maybe they'll imply something.
I actually prefer the variety of sexuality approach as well. I'm just disappointed that it's looking likely that this approach has 100% of the time led to gay guys getting the least amount of options in a game. It would be fantastic (and is really unlikely) if Blackwall was bisexual or gay, but I'm not holding my breath.
To be fair though, someone has to have the extra options, and while same-gender couples aren't exactly unpopular I'm just not convinced that they are popular enough to justify making more of them than opposite-gender ones.
Yes but how would she effect the number of options on the lists people are posting?
I suppose it's be the same as if she wasn't trans. Didn't really think this though
Yeah, people try to treat transexuality as a sexual orientation. It's not. A trans woman still has a sexual orientation. She can be straight, bisexual, or lesbian. So if Vivienne were trans and bisexual, the numbers would play out the same way. She's still a bisexual woman.
I will not allow myself a shred of hope. It's better that way.
It will be Blackwall.
If it's Vivienne, she'll be straight.
If she's bisexual, she'll be human only.
To be fair though, someone has to have the extra options, and while same-gender couples aren't exactly unpopular I'm just not convinced that they are popular enough to justify making more of them than opposite-gender ones.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I've heard your arguments about why we don't "justify" getting anything more than the least amount of options and I'm not ever going to be convinced.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I've heard your arguments about why we don't "justify" getting anything more than the least amount of options and I'm not ever going to be convinced.
Same amount is fair enough, but in games not specifically aimed at same-gender romance content getting more is really pushing it.
Yeah, people try to treat transexuality as a sexual orientation. It's not. A trans woman still has a sexual orientation. She can be straight, bisexual, or lesbian. So if Vivienne were trans and bisexual, the numbers would play out the same way. She's still a bisexual woman.
I know, but I meant it from the perspective on the lists of option per gender that people have been post which are all at 2, except straight lady elves because different people tend to perceive such a woman different. There was a trans woman in a old Warhammer Fantasy/40,000 group we had and some insisted on calling her a he.
That doesn't really work from the point I was making though, so my initial question is ultimately pointless and probably comes off a little offensive.
Sorry if that's the case
I think just using Mae as an example would have been better, but I don't think i have the aptitude to make the points I want to make.
Solas doesn't really count as a full romance option
he is way too limited and affects only a very small percentage of players
So maybe they got someting like that for males( Vivienne being race gated and only available to human males)
And a "full" romance with Blackwall who is bi that would be best I think
How the heck does that follow? The Devs obviously count Solas as a "full" romance option, meaning that he's going to receive the same amount of content as all of the other LIs. It's probably just going to be more specific and reference more of the PC's Dalish heritage or Elven mythology than it would if it had been opened up to more races. I'm personally intrigued about what sort of "story reasons" require the PC to be an Elf.
As for the last romance, I think it's probably going to be a straight race-gated Vivienne. Either that or a non-race-gated bisexual Vivienne and Cass is going to be race-gated.
Same amount is fair enough, but in games not specifically aimed at same-gender romance content getting more is really pushing it.
I think media absolutely needs more sources that are willing to "push it" with characters that are non-hetero, non-white, female, etc, in things that are not specifically tailored towards what is assumed a "niche" market will like. This attitude is why things never change. Minority groups and women have been making due with people that are not exactly like them for as long as these mediums have existed. It's possible for the majority group to also enjoy media that doesn't necessarily represent primarily people that are exactly like them once in a while.
I think media absolutely needs more sources that are willing to "push it" with characters that are non-hetero, non-white, female, etc, in things that are not specifically tailored towards what is assumed a "niche" market will like. This attitude is why things never change. Minority groups and women have been making due with people that are not exactly like them for as long as these mediums have existed. It's possible for the majority group to also enjoy media that doesn't necessarily represent primarily people that are exactly like them once in a while.
I'm not talking about the sexuality of the characters. There should be things with more gay characters than straight characters in mainstream media.
I'm talking specifically about the niche of same-gender optional romance content in games.
I'm not talking about the sexuality of the characters. There should be things with more gay characters than straight characters in mainstream media.
I'm talking specifically about the niche of same-gender optional romance content in games.
I don't see any reason why specific features should be withheld to the majority. The situation hasn't changed.
I don't see any reason why specific features should be withheld to the majority. The situation hasn't changed.
Not withheld, I just don't think that there will ever be more optional same-gender romance content than optional straight romance content in "mainstream" games, since it has more niche appeal. And I'm fine with that.
They said Zevran wouldn't be in DA:I and Anders is pretty unlikely, so at least my Warden and Hawke aren't probably going to see their LIs again. At least, not on screen. Maybe they'll imply something.
Why do you think Anders is unlikely?
Not withheld, I just don't think that there will ever be more optional same-gender romance content than optional straight romance content in "mainstream" games. Or that there should be.
Bioware could easily be the first to do it but.... oh well.
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